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@bodinson said:

Well seems like I'll be joining this discussion pretty darn late.

I would actually like to argue in favor of Thor having decent reaction/ reflexes.

Travel Speed

First I would like to discuss "travel" speed vs "reaction/reflex" speed, I've seen many people state that it's entirely different, I would actually beg to differ. You can do yourself a favor and go to any pilot in the air force and ask them what is one of the main prerequisites for being a pilot, it can easily be argued "reaction time". Flying at speeds of 5 or 6 times faster than the speed of sound REQUIRES you to have great reaction time, how else would you properly dodge objects?

Even driving in a car at roughly 50miles an hour would suggest that you'd have to react fast in order to avoid striking a deer in the road, even then some people just don't have it. Now that is slow speeds in comparison to the speed that Superman, Flash, Silver Surfer and even Thor can reach. Flying/running at the speed of light leaves you fractions of a second to react to anything that suddenly comes in your path. I've seen it mentioned here that apparently Thor could travel at 5000x the speed of light? To put that in perspective, 5000x the speed of light = 930 000 000 miles/second, Saturn is roughly 900million miles from earth, when you view earth from Saturn it looks like a distant blue speck, a tiny star on the horizon. Now if he was to approach earth from Saturn he would reach earth in less than a second, which means he'd have to react even faster in order to avoid a collision with earth or any other objects that might be in space, stars, asteroids, comets, planets etc

According to some physics students**** from the UK, contrary to popular Star Trek mythology, going at or faster than the speed of light does NOT make streaks of light (Like when they go into hyperdrive), they actually suggest that it'll be more like a blur that appears, but whether it's a blur or a streak, how fast should their eyes and observations be in order to view where they are and where they are heading? Moving at the speed of light in itself an automatic speed feat for reaction and reflexes one that should easily be given to any speedster whether they are Thor, Surfer, Quicksilver or Superman.

**** http://www.space.com/19268-star-wars-hyperspace-physics-reality.html

Now of course I just know that some people on here are going to start mentioning "But it's mjolnir that does the flying not Thor" as if almost to suggest that mjolnir is a sentient object/being that can think, react and decide for itself? If that was the case, being effectively one with Thor, why would Mjolnir "allow" anyone to actually lay a finger on its master? Thor does ALL of the controlling on Mjolnir, he might hurl it and grab on it to fly at those speeds but I don't think Mjolnir just "decides" when to dodge an asteroid and when not too. It'll return to Thor's hand regardless of what's in its path, whether it be foe, planet or even a space barrier(As seen when Surfer chased Mjolnir and it breached a barrier to return to the hand of Thor).

So if Thor controls it and wills it to change course that in itself suggests that Thor is more than capable of SEEING all of his surroundings while travelling greater than the speed of light(Refer to above where it would appear like a blur for us) and react to what he sees and perceives. Like I mentioned then, merely travelling at those speeds is in itself a great indication of reaction speed as well.

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I saw a scan of Thor where he intercepted incoming nuclear missiles that were launched towards Asgard(King Thor reign). According to the Global Nuclear Contamination Watch, within milliseconds of an explosion a fireball would envelope EVERYTHING within a 2 miles reaching temperatures of up to 20million Fahrenheit, now that explosion wasn't anywhere near two miles; in other words it didn't have enough time to reach those distances, when Thor already reacted and contained the blast. That in itself, though a very unassuming picture, is a fantastic reaction speed feat. Especially if you take into consideration that by the looks of things there wasn't even enough time for the Thermal radiation to properly make it's way across the area, causing burns to the eyes, body etc

Large amounts of electromagnetic radiation in the visible, infrared, and ultraviolet regions of the electromagnetic spectrum are emitted from the surface of the fireball within the first minute or less after detonation. This thermal radiation travels outward from the fireball at the speed of light, 300,000 km/sec.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/thermal.htm

What reaction speed did Thor have to have in order to prevent that nuclear bomb from causing devastation to the area? I would think GREAT reaction time!!!

Of course hurling Mjolnir at such speeds in itself stands as a speed feat as well NOT just a feat of strength. In order to properly swing it he'll logically HAVE to use his wrists/arm as well which shows great speed capability when it comes to his hands.

Then of course there is something that we all take for granted every time we see Thor, whether it's in the comics, cartoons or even in the movie. That would be catching Mjolnir, if Mjolnir is travelling back to Thor's hand (At any speed, speed of sound, speed of light as shown when he fought the god eater or any speed) he would HAVE to have incredible reaction time in order to catch it. A simple thing that he has done through out all the years in the comics, catching mjolnir is probably one of the great feats of speed that he has!!! Unless of course anyone again wants to imply that Mjolnir is suddenly hitting the breaks right at the moment it touches the tiniest part of Thor's hand in order for the Thunderer to just "hold" onto it?..Or better yet that Thor "wills" it to slow down in order for him to grab a hold of it, in order for the latter to happen it would indicate that Thor can perceive objects moving at incredible speeds(Like mjolnir charging towards him at speed of Light) and then will it to stop at the right time <<<Another speed feat then.

Thor has great speed feats, feats that should actually be shown in his combats as well. I've seen people on here argue that because Thor gets tagged by spider-man, mongoose, rhino he has no speed feats, even if he can fight toe-to-toe with the Silver Surfer. Of course that person then suggests that because Thor gets tagged by them that is a true reflection of his speed in combat situations, he even mentions the Surfer himself getting tagged by spider-man and then does a 180 and argue being tagged by spider-man does NOT indicate that the Surfer incapable of high combat speed. Personally I don't understand the reasoning behind, you can't argue one way for one character and then argue the opposite for another character in the same situation.

Just like the Surfer, Thor's combat speed would reflect the opponent he is facing as seen when he's fighting Surfer and when he tagged Quicksilver with a slam into the ground obviously faster than Quicksilver can perceive(If he could have, why not blitz away? ) .

Ok, guess I'm done for now, there were other stuff I wanted to mention but it kind of slipped my mind now, maybe it'll come back to me after I get some replies(I'm definitely expecting some very predictable replies so we'll see). I'm awaiting your suggestions and or counter-arguments =o)

P.S Great Thread by the way, some very nice scans.

THANK YOU very unbiased and well spoken!!!

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May be irrevelant but Thor is right handed, and he is holding Mjolnir with his left hand. Wasn´t there a rumor of that in Comic Con, the trailer showed Loki cuting Thor hand? could it be...

INTRESTING.. i hope that rumor is not true

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@jonsmith said:

Is it just me, or does Mjolnir seem a bit bigger than it has been in previous films?

i think so too it looks huge and the handle seems diffrent and more elegant lol ..almost like thor customized it ..I LOVE IT SO FAR

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#7  Edited By sommyt

THOR SUUUPPPERRRSTOOOMMPPPS

simply because there is not a single thing the team can do to hurt him

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@docstrange:

@z3ro180: Well the difference is that regardless of his parentage Elder god is something you either are or you aren't. The Elder gods are the first Gods of the Marvel U and the only way one can be an actual Elder god is to be of that first generation.

i understand ..but according to they mythos of eldergods ..their kids for example Atum was considered an Elder god ..tho not being of the first generation

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@z3ro180: Well the difference is that regardless of his parentage Elder god is something you either are or you aren't. The Elder gods are the first Gods of the Marvel U and the only way one can be an actual Elder god is to be of that first generation.

i understand ..but according to they mythos of eldergods ..their kids for example Atum was considered an Elder god ..tho not being of the first generation