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#1  Edited By pkodelia

^ they may be soulmates but personally i think the way cyclops is now would fit better with emma frost, just my opinon

i like emma better overall, but i like the "bad" characters more than the "good" characters.

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^ i love those names but to answer the question, no. i wouldn't want the child to grow up and be like what, you named me after a comic, thanks a lot and give me that horrible look lol

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I am officially from the state of Georgia. I do a little bit of everything.

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@McKlayn said:

Ok now that the title has you ready to crucify me, I would like you to take a second before reading this post. Clear your mind of everything that has happened in AvX and all the common preconceptions we all had before reading. Yes Comic book readers are an intelligent bunch and we were all well aware that due to the release of the Avengers movie accompanied with the direction Scott Summers had been headed (with X force / the Schism / the who Extinction Squad ) that the X-men would be the Villain (or one more then others I honestly figured Hope at the start of the story) and after a long battle between the two factions the X-men would wise up and team up with the Avengers to defeat the common foe before they destroyed the world.

Purge yourself of all your grand comic book knowledge and let’s start from the start, and let me at least present a way you could make a case for this whole story ending entirely different if it wasn’t for your beloved Captain America.

You see Cap I believe was the catalyst in this event, he was the person who made everything go wrong and it started right at the start. I will list below just a few example of things he done that if maybe where handled a different way might of changed the entire course of AVX.

His Approach:: Yes Cap started off in issue number one on the wrong foot. I understand that a cosmic entity is coming to earth that could very well destroy, but come on guys it’s not the first time this fire bird of destruction has been on earth and all times before that the X-Men had dealt with it and the earth remained largely intact. For some reason though Cap felt he had to go to utopia and DEMAND that Cyclops hand over hope, he not only went to Cyclops house and made demands for him to turn over his grand daughter who many believed to be the messiah of a fallen race, but he did it with an ARMY of super heroes.

Think about this for a minute, a man comes to your door demanding you to turn over a loved one with all intent on what? Killing her? That’s the only thing that made sense to me. And he didn’t come alone.

It was apparent that if Cyclops didn’t do exactly what he said he was Cap was going to use force to get what he wanted, why? What had the group of men and women known has the X-Men done to deserve such an ultimatum? Saved the world time and time again? Yes Cyclops may of blasted Cap right off his beach but Cap made it apparent that it was either that or roll over and let them do what they wanted with his Grand daughter, I think any man would fight to save his family in such a situation.

Complete Lack of Trust:: This goes hand in hand with his first offense. Let’s take a little moment to reflect, not that long ago Scarlet witch went crazy and the X-men realized she was a serious threat. They went to the Avengers and Demanded they handed her over so she could be penalized for crimes she had committed. Cap told Cyclops that he would handle it, and Cyclops TRUSTED him to do so. What did that get him? Well Scarlet witch flipped out and decimated most of the Mutant population, still you didn’t see Cyclops knocking on Cap’s door saying I told you so and trying to kill him.

The point I’m trying to make is Cyclops didn’t show up with every X-men in creation and Demand Scarlet Witch’s head or ELSE. He went, the two talked and they peacefully decided what to do, SHE WAS an avenger and she would be dealt with by the Avengers. Why couldn’t Cap trust Cyclops to do the same with Hope?

Total disregard for history: Ok let’s be real, the Phoenix or Dark Phoenix has always been an X-men problem and as I hinted to earlier one they have dealt with. Jean controlled the Phoenix for years, as did Rachel. Also when Jean lost control the X-men stepped in and did what had to be done, despite how much Cyclops loved Jean, despite what Logan or Charles or anyone else felt for jean. When crunch time came they did what had to be done. It is even proved in Issue 11 when it is finally apparent that Cyclops and Emma have gone over the edge and the X-Men DO THE RIGHT THING, and join up with the avengers to defeat them.

So why not now? Why did the Avengers have to do something before hand? To top it off Rachel Summers controlled the phoenix for a very long time, so who could be 100 percent sure hope couldn’t have? Not Cap that is for sure. They know what the phoenix is but how many of them have actually dealt with it first hand? 2 maybe 3? Most of them were part of the X-men at that time, now how many X-men had dealt with it? A good bit more, what I am saying is History dictates the X-men were capable of dealing with this without Earth being burnt to a crisp. So why did Cap think he had to interject himself now? What is so different now?

Total Lack of Communication: I have read this whole series and I am still not sure what cap’s plan was, and I am pretty sure neither did Cyclops. I mean as far as I could tell his entire plan was to get hope, and put a bullet in her head. Doesn’t sound like a very suitable plan to me, not only was that Cyclop’s granddaughter but if you read the secret avengers tie it looked to me that any planet the Phoenix didn’t find a host in they just burnt and went on. So if their wasn’t a suitable host on earth whats to say it wouldn’t just sorch it and keep going? I think you have a much better chance I don’t know taking the host to the moon, letting them get the Phoenix force seeing if they can control it if and if they couldn’t “Snikt” them. Of course that wasn’t cap’s plan either it was Hope’s.

What I am basically saying is to be a great strategist he didn’t seem to have much of plan, and if he did he didn’t share it with anyone especially not Cyclops. I am sorry but as a parent or grand parent either one I don’t think you could expect him to hand over Hope to some one who as best you can tell plans to kill her. I mean The Avengers have never helped Mutants before why now? They weren’t trying to stop the Sentinels, they weren’t trying to fight for mutant rights not to register (they sure didn’t like it when that rolled over to them though did they?), they don’t fight purifiers or other mutant only threats, so why should anyone believe he was too concerned over one little mutant girl’s life?

Plain Stubborn: Ok maybe this is just me but after the Phoenix power was divided into 5 different host aka The Phoenix 5, Cap didn’t even give them a chance. Absolute power corrupts absolutely sure, but this wasn’t absolute power it was divided among 5 beings not one like normal. They did good, and they didn’t do it alone. Rogue had a conversation with Iceman during one of the comics talking about how the Phoenix 5 just opened their eyes to all the things they could of done with their powers if they weren’t busy fighting for their survival. Even Beast who had sided solidly with the Avengers at one point was feed up with his logic and left off in a dizzy. To top it all off more then likely the smartest man in the Marvel Universe Reed Richards said that he wasn’t sure that the Phoenix 5 was bad in an issue of the New Avengers (the one where he summoned Namor)

Now Despite the fact that they had done nothing but GOOD, he continued to attack them and treat them as villains. I am sorry but after you get a rock thrown at you so many times your going to start throwing rocks back, The X-men didn’t out law the avengers until they kid napped hope and it was apparent that Cap wasn’t going to stop without some sort of war. Cap provoked the X-men, he is the reason they hunted down Avengers and captured them. He is the reason Namor got feed up and attacked Wakanda, which is also the first of the Phoenix 5 to fall and thus started the chain reaction of the power being spread to the others and eventually driving the sole Phoenix (cyclops) insane with power.

Also I think it says something that after the phoenix force was divided into the 5 host that the TOTALLY flipped his view, he was 110 percent against Hope being the host of the Phoenix. Then he made it his quest to kid nap her so what? So she could take the Phoenix Force from them? Isn’t that what he was trying to stop to begin with, it’s simple math that if the power of the Phoenix is spread over more people it should be easier to control, so wasn’t Iron Man’s misfire a good thing? Shouldn’t he at least have given them a chance instead of automatically assuming they were evil now? Was he so set on being right that he just changed sides mid way through the Series cause that’s what I got from it.

That is about it, but I think if you took time to actually read it you can see that for the events of Avengers vs. X-men to unfold the way they did certain domino’s had to be pushed over and most all of them were by Captain America. Yes you could blame the Avengers as a whole but I don’t, they did what any good team would and followed their leader who they trusted to make the right decision. He however proved to be head strong, and hasty in everything he did. His only concern seemed to be being right, he never once attempted to work it out with Cyclops. Not once did he offer to work with them, he came to the front door with an Army and demanded Cyclops do as told or Else. Yes Cyclops may of fired the first shots in the war, but it was Cap who left him no choice in the matter.

wow mr. op you make very good points and this was very interesting to read. i never considered this but now i will give it some thought.