hhhhmmmm

@edamame: Yes, I was referring to the Arab-Israeli War, or the "Six Day War." But yes, you are correct. The term "Palestinian" does refer to the mixture of Jordanians and Syrians (and others.) It is only when people use it as if its a nationality of its own that the incorrectness comes up. That's why I usually think it's a generally "incorrect) term.

As for what to call it, I really don't see it as a conflict of religions, nationalities, or even ethnicity. There are many Muslims that fight on Israel's side, and that even serve in Israeli parliament. To say it's a strictly Jewish cause, (while the population is mostly Jewish) is simply not right. It really is hard to give it a name. Now I'm even more confused... o.o

@edamame: @lykopis: Thank you for your competence. I'm glad I'm not the only one on ComicVine that has an understanding of the conflict.

So to Lykopis: To say Muslims have suffered in Israel is inherently confusing. There are many Muslims who live in Israel peacefully, and practice religion is Israel's many mosques. Some even participate in Israeli parliament. So it's not really Muslims that are being targeted, which is important to note. It's not about religion, it's about refugees. About the refugees...:

When England "gave" the land to the endangered European Jews, they did have a right. When you look at American history, we came to a continent with many many inhabitants. It can definitely be argued that we did not have a right to come into the continent and impose ourselves upon them. (When I say 'we,' I'm not necessarily including you. I don't know your nationality -- just felt the need to clarify.) What Israel did, however, was very different. When the Ottoman Empire (which was a very oppressive empire upon its people) collapsed at the end of World War I, England took the liberty of splitting it up into countries that could better rule themselves with less oppression. (As I'm sure your aware) One of which, was called 'Palestine,' for various historical reasons. Due to the Balfour treaty, the European Jews were promised a homeland because well, Europe just wiped a good number of them off of the map. The mandate currently known as "Palestine," which was relatively uninhabited, was given to the Jews. In wake of their mass murder, they were urged to move to the mandate where they would be safe. The surrounding countries didn't like the influx of Jews in the area (which is well documented) and it was then that they started to move in (with massive numbers). Jews were fine with the influx of Muslims, but the simple fact was that they were really moving in in hopes of eradicating the region of what they saw as the Jewish Virus.

Now to both of you: Your use of the word "Palestinians" is also inherently politically incorrect. They are really just refugees, as I previously stated. When urged to move into the region, the surrounding countries from which they emigrated were knowingly going to wage war on Israel, and eradicate the Jews from the region. Then, the land would be free for the people they urged to squat on the land. Well, they lost. REALLY BADLY. So all those people they urged to move in now become homeless refugees. (And the surrounding countries didn't want any more of those,) so they told them to just stick it out in Israel. They began calling themselves "Palestinians" when really there is no such ethnicity. They are simply a collection of immigrants from the surrounding countries. This is undeniable historical fact. In history, Palestinian people do not exist, and have never existed. They are a made up, fictional, people. So when they were illegally in the region, Israel has no choice but to tear down their houses that they had no right to build. I'm not saying it's not unfortunate, and that it's not tragic that these families have to lose their houses, but it's the fault of the surrounding countries that urged them to move there. Not Israel's.

Still not convinced? Look at the United Nations and how they handle refugees. For this very region, the so-called "Palestinians" need to have their own special organization for refugees. And please remember that in no way am I saying it's not tragic that the refugees have nowhere to go, but it's not the fault of Israel. It's their original countries' fault for abandoning them. It's important to note that their countries don't really want them back, unfortunately.

Lastly, Israel has made every attempt to give the squatters a home. They already gave up the East Bank, and have done nothing but tried to give up the West Bank and Gaza. They have agreed to many deals to give up MUCH more than they would keep just to make peace, however the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) has said that it (all negotiations) will be met with rivers of blood. Israel has agreed to every peace plan even when they would lose the majority of the land. They want peace. The PLO has declined every time. They want no Jews. That's the undeniable truth. You can't ignore it, they are cold hard facts.

I didn't know that. That is actually pretty amazing.

I understand and I am not in anyway saying Muslims have not suffered in Israel. England had no right to "give" the land to the Jewish people after the second world war -- and Israel is pushing its boundaries along the Gaza strip and are taking over land they have have no right to according to previous agreements. Yet, the stress of being surrounded by countries who refuse to acknowledge your existence and have outright claimed hatred for your kind plus a willingness to kill you makes it hard to keep an open dialogue. The PLO encouraged Palestinians to send their children into public areas as suicide bombers. This is the hard truth.

It's a terrible situation over there -- and there are more and more injustices being committed against the Palestinian people every day. It's convoluted and complicated with lots of fingers in the pot -- from the US to Britain to Saudi Arabia to even Egypt (and Russia). It's easier for me than you to discuss this, I am not as emotionally invested as you.

I know I don't have all the information needed to make an informed opinion. I apologize if I came off as though I did and I am deeply and truly sorry I offended you.

@lykopis: And a voice of reason comes forth!

EDIT:@outside_85 So in other words, you get why they hate Jews so much.

@lykopis: Duly noted.

@consolemaster001:

There is so much wrong with what you've submitted -- so much, it's impossible for me to break it down. What you have shared is so biased, and threadbare in terms of information and even worse -- the most biased presentation of what has happened and is continuing to happen in Israel that I am a bit put off.

However, your posting of those photos is against the rules of the site -- of which you are aware and is evidence of your emotion behind this. Honestly, edit that post.

@dabee:

While I do have a few issues with some of the things you've brought forward initially, what you've contributed over all has been enlightening.

@edamame:

What you've contributed to this thread was very informative. Thank you.

All I will say is that I get why arabs are angry at Israel.

Okay. Suit yourself. :-)

wait, I think I can translate this

"I have absolutely nothing to present arguments against people who disagree with me, but I still have my opinion, so I'm gonna go ahead and insult them so I can still feel like I'm smarter without actually gaining or giving any intelligence"

How I love the ignorance and sometimes plain stupidity of kids on the internet... I'm just glad none of them will ever have elected positions. :-)

@edamame: @betatesthighlander1: @dabee: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keffiyeh

The keffiyeh/kufiya (Arabic: كوفية‎,kūfiyyah, originally from the city of Kufa (الكوفه), plural كوفيات,kūfiyyāt), also known as a ghutrah (غُترَة) or shemagh (شماغ), and also known by some as ḥaṭṭah (حَطّة), mashadah (مَشَدة), or in Persian chafiye (چَفیِه), and in Kurdish cemedanî ( جه مه داني), is a traditional Arab headdress fashioned from a square, usually cotton, scarf. It is typically worn by Arab men, as well as some Kurds.

It is commonly found in arid regions to provide protection from direct sun exposure, as well to protect the mouth and eyes from blown dust and sand. Its distinctive woven check pattern may have originated in an ancient Mesopotamian representation of either fishing nets or ears of grain,[1] but the true origin of the pattern remains unknown.

The keffiyeh has been worn by Arabs residing in regions in Arabia, Jordan, and Iraq for over a century, but its prominence increased in other regions in the 1960s with the beginning of Palestinian movements and its adoption by Palestinian politician Yasser Arafat. The keffiyeh has been a fashion accessory in the United States since the late 1980s. In the early 2000s, keffiyehs were very popular among adolescents in Tokyo, who often wore them with camouflage clothing.[2]

The kefiyyeh is a traditional piece of clothing worn by arabs and people in the middle east. It has been worn by terrorists but that doesn't mean it's a "terrorist garb". By your logic most terrorists wear pants so pants are terrorist clothes as well. I think i understand why you don't use sources and facts, because they would disprove you and ultimately you would be a hypocrite. However one simple google search and there it is ! The kid did not attack the cops first. In fact i watched the video several times to see if you were right, you weren't (big shock). I mean as betatest pointed out, you don't have any evidence. Not even a fabricated source, because at least people'd be like "well, he tried".

You lose.

yes, I am aware that you disagree with me

good to know that you consider anyone of that mindset gullable, though

I especially like ho you blatantly passed off what I said as not sufficiently sourced, than proceeded to source none of what you said

good form sir

@edamame: @betatesthighlander1: @consolemaster001:

The "Jewish kid" attacked the police first, while indeed wearing a terrorist garb. It's different than a headscarf. The Keffiyeh (which he is wearing) is a terrorist garb. Eh, you know what? Screw it. There's too much ignorance, not worth the argument. Edamame is the only one that seems to be worth talking to on the matter. You other two, especially consolemaster, well... it's just plain ignorance. I only hope you're a kid, that way you'll still have time to grow up past gullibility.

hey

you know whats cool?

evidence

I dig it man

would you happen to be carrying any?

@betatesthighlander1@edamame@dabee: I have provided pictures and links. Sources that support my argument i only ask that you do the same please. You act like as if i support hamas' acts of terrorism as i have said. I do NOT endorse killing of civillians on both sides.

The sites that i referred to where:

Wikipedia

Youtube

Hareetz (which is like the israeli al-jazeera)

Human rights watch.

and other informative sites.

"So as you see, you are wrong, and your argument, consolemaster, amounts to propaganda you found on websites that probably also contain articles about the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world's banks and destroy America."

You're not even sure of your own statements, why should WE believe you ? You claim that Israel wants peace but do you have any proof to support that ?

"The state of Palestine or the palestinian ethnicity never existed." That maybe true. However Israel/Palestine was still a heavily arab populated area. They flooded into Palestine to escape nazi persecution. Look up the "Havaara agreement"

"The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.:heskem haavaraTranslated: "transfer agreement") was signed on 25 August 1933 after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany (die Zionistische Vereinigung für Deutschland), the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to give up most of their possessions to Germany before departing. Those assets could later be obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.^[1][2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Posting this again:

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." ­ Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969

Oh and you're accusing me of manipulating people into joining my side by posting tragic pictures and video. I'm just telling you what's what. Weather you accept or not is your choice, 100% up to you.

My posts contain facts, both visual and text based proof. How is that propaganda ? You are defending a nation that throws tank shells at children and drops biological weapons at densley populated civillian areas, if there is anyone here who is influenced by propaganda it is you.

Telling the jewish boys' real name doesn't prove you right. He was there peacefully protesting and then the Israeli police showed up and demanded his passport, when the kid refused they started to beat him up and arrested him. The thing he was wearing wasn't a "terrorist garb". It's something that people wear in the mid east. It's usually worn by non terrorists and even non muslims as well. I went to Mecca (saudi arabia) and there were plenty of people wearing it.

Also Lucas' name was in the video description the SAME video you deemed "Propaganda" so you're using information from the same source you ridiculed and by doing so, made yourself look like a hypocrite.

Your paragraph of "factual facts" contain :

No sources

No pictures or video

0 credibility

After I put forth a long argument full of actual facts, and you're the one flooding the thread with propaganda. Ironic, isn't it?

Other than religious reasons (for muslims). There is no good reason :p

Who would ever want to go to Saudi Arabia anyway?

Yeah i'm so gullible that i believe in facts instead of propaganda like open minded intellectuals such as yourself. You have not put forth an argument as to why what i said was false.

@consolemaster001:@betatesthighlander1: @edamame:

Okay, so you are just going to be insistent. There is really no point in arguing with people this ignorant and gullible, but I will try once more. But only once more, then I will leave you to your ignorance. Please just learn your history, it's not too hard.

On several occasions Israel has tried to make peace with the Palestinians (an ethnicity which does not even exist.) When the land was settled, it was generally unpopulated, but the surrounding countries were not happy with the influx of Jews in the area. So, they decided to start displacing them by moving into the area. So in reality, it was them that displaced the Jews. The Jews, however, wanted to live in peace with them. They had other ideas. They planned to rage war, and figured "look at all of us, we are big. They are small. This should be easy." So they urged their people to massively move in to Israel as it would be theirs soon. Well, it wasn't. They lost in the Six Day Way miserably. Pretty much got annihilated. Well, the countries urged their homeless to squat in the area. Where are they supposed to go? Back to their home countries? Nope. They don't want them back. Better off just leaving them there as refugees.

So you see, "Palestinians" are just immigrants from the surrounding countries, refugees, that the countries really don't WANT back. (Hence supporting their cause against Israel, and therefor Jews.)

Now onto Gaza, the Gaza strip never belonged to the "Palestinians." It was given to them by Israel. Not only that, but they gave them an entire flower exporting industry (huge in the area) to jump-start their economy and hopefully avoid conflict. Well, that didn't work. They burned down all of the greenhouses and claimed "We don't want your Jew money!" and continued to bomb Israel. So there is literally no reason that Israel should respond by giving them MORE land and MORE help, and not by protecting themselves.

And the civilians, nobody is saying it's not a tragedy that they are dying. However, they are living in a land ran by terrorists. Israel has tried nothing but to only take out hostiles. However, the "Palestinians" love to use human shields. They will bomb Israel, then too scared to face them, will run into schools full of children. This has been happening for years and has been documented numerous times. Let's not forget that Israel has even tried to help civilians that have tragically been caught in the crossfire (by fault of the "Palestinians" completely.) Israel has picked up many of them, and taken them to Israeli hospitals for treatment. The patients are obviously terrified of the hospitals, because of the lies they have been taught (have had shoved down their throats.) However, they quickly turned around and realized that Israel was not the evil force they were so taught it was.

And consolemaster, your picture of "Palestinian" loss of land basically amounts to nothing. They had the chance to have so much more land, so much more than Israel even. They turned it down not because they thought it was unfair, but because they didn't want to live with Jews. Palestinian leader Aref Dajani said "It is impossible to live with the Jews." in defense of their declining of any and all partition plans, even those that strongly favored themselves.

So as you see, you are wrong, and your argument, consolemaster, amounts to propaganda you found on websites that probably also contain articles about the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world's banks and destroy America. So really, get educated. Don't try to support a cause just because it's the "hip and cool" thing to do, which is no doubt your reasoning. Look at what you're really supporting. Look at how tolerant Israel is, what, with their hundreds of Mosques. And remember, there's a good chance you would be prosecuted just for existing in many of the countries that hold Israel as an enemy.

EDIT: P.S. You're posting of that video of Israeli police beating a young Jewish boy destroys any credibility you had left. That kid's name is Lucas Koerner. He went to Israel wearing a terrorist's garb and refused to show documentation. The police simply asked him again and he proceeded to bite them. That video was taken by "Palestinians" and was promptly edited to serve as propaganda. The kid was never innocent, he was trying to cause trouble for the camera. Aren't you wondering why so much of it is cut?

I would post my own video that shows unedited footage where "Palestinians" push kids in front of Israeli cars, but I'm not going to post sad, tragic footage just to gain people on my side. I'm not going to stoop that low. Go look up some pictures of victims of Hamas' persecution if you really want to see that stuff. But I warn you, it's pretty gruesome.

hmmm, I like how you criticized my single source, than badgered at me for three paragraphs with zero sources

seriously though, I think @consolemaster001's post about sums it up

@dabee:

Israel is the only jewish state in the world. It is also one of the US' allies, which is why they remain oblivious to Zionist war crimes. Do know that i do not endorse the killing of civillians (on both parts) neither do i have a problem with Jews or Judaism. I do however strongly oppose Zionism and Israel, and merely having a dislike for these two does not amount to "anti-semitism" seeing as how Jews outside of Israel think the same way.

What about those guys eh ? Are they "anti-semitic- as well ? Or maybe they don't see why Israel's cause is a worthy one ? Then let us take a look at Israel's actions towards the Palestinians.

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." ­ Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969.

So much for "living in peace"

Also here are some of the massacres commited towards Palestinians:

The king david massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

The massacre at baldat al sheikh http://www.palestinehistory.com/issues/massacre/mass03.htm

Khisas massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khisas

Qazaza massacre http://www.palestineremembered.com/al-Ramla/Qazaza/

As for recent struggles. "The palestinians attacked first, Israel has a right to defend itself."

As you can see Israel has access to state of the art technology whilst Hamas have to make rockets of whatever they find (mostly homemade). Though it may be true that Palestine attacked first, Israel has abused its right to defend itself.

Israel has responded to the evidence that validates its over aggressive methods of so-called reprisal with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This article states, “nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations."

Israel, however, is an occupying force in Palestine. It exercises complete control of the West Bank and Gaza. In other words, Israel’s use of Article 51 as justification for its attacks is null and void. After all, the laws of self-defense have no relevance in the case of illegal occupation because the occupier has control over the indigenous population. How can a self-defense claim be made when a state occupies a land that does not belong to it? Yet this point is irrelevant to this discussion because I recognize the fact that Israel will not stand idly by while rockets graze its borders. The United States has come out strong in its support of Israel's right to defend itself but cautioned Israel “to continue to take every effort to avoid civilian causalities." It seems Israel didn't get the memo.

Recall the Gaza Massacre of 2008-09, also known as “Operation Cast Lead.” Several reports on this conflict have shed light on Israel's unwarranted and disproportionate bombardment of civilian targets that resulted in the death of innocent civilians. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem concluded that 1,387 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza war (over 770 of them civilians), and 13 Israelis were killed (four by their own troops). These statistics were no surprise considering Israeli General Gadi Eisenkot statement at the time: “We will wield disproportionate power against every village from which shots are fired on Israel, and cause immense damage and destruction. This isn't a suggestion. This is a plan that has already been authorized.”

Not only arabs and palestinians but they also hate Jews as well. Look at this video of a boy being beaten by Israeli police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiV9xn0RbI

Think about it, if they can treat their own kind like that, then what of the palestinians ? I'll tell you what:

They drop white phosphorus Gaza, one of the most densely populated regions in the world, these are war crimes.

And they also say that they won't stop: http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/12/israel-high-court-rejects-legal-ban-white-phosphorus

Remember the turkish flotilla that Israel raided tears ago ? They raided the ship and killed all passengers on there. Inclıding an american citizen. They thought it'd be used for terrorism but what did they find ? Medicine, wheelchairs, CHILDRENS TOYS. And they only recently apoligized.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-autopsy-shows-gaza-activists-were-shot-a-total-of-30-times-1.294255

More evidence of Israel's violence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2wqS6B6EtQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDfXvUQXJlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2unZIzIwp0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIshcY1or-Y

Israel is seen as a nation of holocaust suriviors. This is why they gained the sympathy of nations and people all over the world. Who still remain oblivious to the unspeakable horrors Israel does in the name of "self-defense"

Call me an "anti-semite" "nazi sympathiser" all you want. But the evidence is loud and clear, you can't argue against the facts.

I'm not even going to get into the USS liberty incident.

@dabee: It's wasting everyone's time, surely they are in fact smart enough to devise something to wipe off the other population. Rather than face dangers Israel ought to use their superior tech to baptise the other side in fire.

Eh, nobody wins that way. And remember, there is no such thing as Palestine. Really, though, there are tons of people there that would die unnecessarily. Israel is doing just fine with their badass terrorist assassinations. They really don't WANT to take over. They have tried to help, but it's always met with "No, screw you, Jews!" But really any nuke, if it were to go off, would affect Israel just as much. Israel also isn't big on killing innocent people. That's what the other side likes doing.

Israel would love to have peace and give the "Palestinians" a state of their own, but they just don't seem to want one. Nuking or killing more people is NOT the answer, though.

@dabee: No, that is inefficient they should firebomb or nuke palestine and take over

they have means to do so rather than wasting time

@strongarm: Okay, then ignore what I said. I thought you were implying that Israel WAS trying to commit genocide. (Which is simply not the case.)

@dabee: Nope, I am just saying they have the means to end all their problems. Unlike those palestinians who only have pipe rockets and whatever it is they can scrounge to make ramshackle weapons. I am saying that they have the power/ability to wipe out their enemies, just surprised that they haven't done so earlier.

I mean if palestine or any of their enemies have the same capacity Israel will be toast.

not muslimxjew hate, just potential to end it all

Because they aren't savages. There have been several partition plans to give the so called "Palestinians" (which are really just Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, etc. but that's for another post) large chunks of land. Every single one Israel has accepted, giving their enemies more land then they would get. Even when the deal was obviously in favor of the "Palestinians," Israel accepted. They denied every time. They are quoted as saying all negotiations will end with rivers of blood, and that they won't stop until Israel (Jews in the middle east) is destroyed. And that's not just some random terrorist from Hamas, that's Yasser Arafat, a "Palestinian" leader.

So if you're really saying that you think Israelis are the violent ones, you need to look at history and even present day.

EDIT: Wait a minute, maybe I completely misunderstood you. Are you even saying that Israel is violent against Muslims, or are you just saying they have the power to? Now I'm even more confused.

@dabee: I mean they have the resources and aid to do what they want, sometimes I wonder why they havent simply 'cleaned' palestine and live in peace. They have the power.

Again, please know what the hell you're talking about if you wish to talk about it. Israel is the side that wants peace, which has been proven time and time again. You would know this if you did any research. Don't talk about something unless you at least know the first thing about it.

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.

-Harlan Ellison

yeah, but... so? This is a bit too much like puttin all your toes in the pudding- it's silly since you know you're not gonna eat that pudding, so why bother caring?

@nova_prime_:

Shoot down an airliner? Yeah that won't cause any problems what so ever.

They have a free pass at that, shoot down gaza/lebanon/palestinians and their big pal in the states give them free pas while UN whines about it. heck, they can burn as many mosques as they want without repercussions.

Not surprised if they have a 'shoot palestinian child day' I mean they have the tech

@edamame: @consolemaster001: I suggest the two of you look into the conflict between Israel and the supposed "Palestinians" before you speak on behalf of the matter. Your article on holocaust survivors criticizing Israel's treatment of the "Palestinians" is complete hokum. The 'news source' is hardly reputable, and amounts to a biased "journalists" free blog. If the Palestinian Liberation Organization (who primarily fought for their independence) had their way, there would be no holocaust survivors. (Hence openly meeting with Adolf Hitler himself, and praising him for his final solution, stating that they would have one themselves in the middle east. Too bad they totally lost.) Anyway, they are led by terrorist organizations that still want nothing but the destruction of the Jewish scum in the middle east, their words not mine. They have proven numerous times that they do not want peace. In the words of Benjamin Netanyahu, "The truth is that if Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war." So supporting the "Palestinian" cause either amounts to not understanding it, or it IS anti-semitism.

So please, I will ask again. Before you speak on behalf of a matter, please learn more about it. That is all. Not an argument, just a correction.

EDIT: This goes double for you, @betatesthighlander1. If you think Israel is even slightly bigoted against Muslims, you have some serious research to get to.

those are also important

I guess that speech was significant because it showed that they have no illusions about what their doing

Let's not forget the countless massacres commited by zionist war criminlas.

The issue here is a basic one of reciprocity. When criticized for flogging Westerners allegedly caught consuming alcohol or engaging in "immoral" bahaviour( such as kissing), the ban on Christian worship the Saudis argue that when in the Kingdom, every body MUST live by their society's mores, citing the type of extreme conservative Islam known as Wahhabism that is the Kingdom's favoured faith. They seem to want to have their cake and eat it-is it asking TOO much of them to at elast abide by OUR societal mores, esp state and federal laws unambiguously forbidding discrimination on grounds of nationality, ethnicity or religious faith_ or is that "Islamophobia"???

Terry

Why does America have to be the discrimination police?

@paracelsus: Isreal is considerably mopre bigoted

hey, you know what the Secretary of the Interior said with no reprocussions?

"Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man.”

sourcehttp://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2012/06/03/israeli-interior-minister-this-country-belongs-to-us-the-white-man/

@edamame: Anyone who doesn't blindly support israel is declared an anti semite. I haven't met any israeli people so i can't say much :p