@consolemaster001:

There is so much wrong with what you've submitted -- so much, it's impossible for me to break it down. What you have shared is so biased, and threadbare in terms of information and even worse -- the most biased presentation of what has happened and is continuing to happen in Israel that I am a bit put off.

However, your posting of those photos is against the rules of the site -- of which you are aware and is evidence of your emotion behind this. Honestly, edit that post.

@dabee:

While I do have a few issues with some of the things you've brought forward initially, what you've contributed over all has been enlightening.

@edamame:

What you've contributed to this thread was very informative. Thank you.

@lykopis: Duly noted.

@lykopis: And a voice of reason comes forth!

EDIT:@outside_85 So in other words, you get why they hate Jews so much.

I understand and I am not in anyway saying Muslims have not suffered in Israel. England had no right to "give" the land to the Jewish people after the second world war -- and Israel is pushing its boundaries along the Gaza strip and are taking over land they have have no right to according to previous agreements. Yet, the stress of being surrounded by countries who refuse to acknowledge your existence and have outright claimed hatred for your kind plus a willingness to kill you makes it hard to keep an open dialogue. The PLO encouraged Palestinians to send their children into public areas as suicide bombers. This is the hard truth.

It's a terrible situation over there -- and there are more and more injustices being committed against the Palestinian people every day. It's convoluted and complicated with lots of fingers in the pot -- from the US to Britain to Saudi Arabia to even Egypt (and Russia). It's easier for me than you to discuss this, I am not as emotionally invested as you.

I know I don't have all the information needed to make an informed opinion. I apologize if I came off as though I did and I am deeply and truly sorry I offended you.

I didn't know that. That is actually pretty amazing.

@edamame: @lykopis: Thank you for your competence. I'm glad I'm not the only one on ComicVine that has an understanding of the conflict.

So to Lykopis: To say Muslims have suffered in Israel is inherently confusing. There are many Muslims who live in Israel peacefully, and practice religion is Israel's many mosques. Some even participate in Israeli parliament. So it's not really Muslims that are being targeted, which is important to note. It's not about religion, it's about refugees. About the refugees...:

When England "gave" the land to the endangered European Jews, they did have a right. When you look at American history, we came to a continent with many many inhabitants. It can definitely be argued that we did not have a right to come into the continent and impose ourselves upon them. (When I say 'we,' I'm not necessarily including you. I don't know your nationality -- just felt the need to clarify.) What Israel did, however, was very different. When the Ottoman Empire (which was a very oppressive empire upon its people) collapsed at the end of World War I, England took the liberty of splitting it up into countries that could better rule themselves with less oppression. (As I'm sure your aware) One of which, was called 'Palestine,' for various historical reasons. Due to the Balfour treaty, the European Jews were promised a homeland because well, Europe just wiped a good number of them off of the map. The mandate currently known as "Palestine," which was relatively uninhabited, was given to the Jews. In wake of their mass murder, they were urged to move to the mandate where they would be safe. The surrounding countries didn't like the influx of Jews in the area (which is well documented) and it was then that they started to move in (with massive numbers). Jews were fine with the influx of Muslims, but the simple fact was that they were really moving in in hopes of eradicating the region of what they saw as the Jewish Virus.

Now to both of you: Your use of the word "Palestinians" is also inherently politically incorrect. They are really just refugees, as I previously stated. When urged to move into the region, the surrounding countries from which they emigrated were knowingly going to wage war on Israel, and eradicate the Jews from the region. Then, the land would be free for the people they urged to squat on the land. Well, they lost. REALLY BADLY. So all those people they urged to move in now become homeless refugees. (And the surrounding countries didn't want any more of those,) so they told them to just stick it out in Israel. They began calling themselves "Palestinians" when really there is no such ethnicity. They are simply a collection of immigrants from the surrounding countries. This is undeniable historical fact. In history, Palestinian people do not exist, and have never existed. They are a made up, fictional, people. So when they were illegally in the region, Israel has no choice but to tear down their houses that they had no right to build. I'm not saying it's not unfortunate, and that it's not tragic that these families have to lose their houses, but it's the fault of the surrounding countries that urged them to move there. Not Israel's.

Still not convinced? Look at the United Nations and how they handle refugees. For this very region, the so-called "Palestinians" need to have their own special organization for refugees. And please remember that in no way am I saying it's not tragic that the refugees have nowhere to go, but it's not the fault of Israel. It's their original countries' fault for abandoning them. It's important to note that their countries don't really want them back, unfortunately.

Lastly, Israel has made every attempt to give the squatters a home. They already gave up the East Bank, and have done nothing but tried to give up the West Bank and Gaza. They have agreed to many deals to give up MUCH more than they would keep just to make peace, however the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) has said that it (all negotiations) will be met with rivers of blood. Israel has agreed to every peace plan even when they would lose the majority of the land. They want peace. The PLO has declined every time. They want no Jews. That's the undeniable truth. You can't ignore it, they are cold hard facts.

@edamame: Yes, I was referring to the Arab-Israeli War, or the "Six Day War." But yes, you are correct. The term "Palestinian" does refer to the mixture of Jordanians and Syrians (and others.) It is only when people use it as if its a nationality of its own that the incorrectness comes up. That's why I usually think it's a generally "incorrect) term.

As for what to call it, I really don't see it as a conflict of religions, nationalities, or even ethnicity. There are many Muslims that fight on Israel's side, and that even serve in Israeli parliament. To say it's a strictly Jewish cause, (while the population is mostly Jewish) is simply not right. It really is hard to give it a name. Now I'm even more confused... o.o

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