@GreenScar1990 said:
First things first. Red Hulk was toying with She-Hulk. He even told her that he could kill her if he desired. He took on and bested her and the Lady Liberators. And it was also mentioned that Red Hulk did in fact use his draining abilities to some degree on his other foes during Jeph Loeb's run (it was mentioned in Hulk #21, to be precise). And another thing, you are a freaking liar! That pic that you claim of Thor nearly killing Hulk with Mjolnir? It's Red Hulk, and not to mention it's from a non-cannon comic titled BREAKING INTO COMICS THE MARVEL WAY #2! And you mentioned Avengers Assemble?! What is blue blazing hell are you talking about?!
Hulk KO'ed Thor with his own hammer in Avengers Assemble #4! Here's proof of that fact! If you're referring to Avengers: Season One, that's non-cannon!
And once again you step aside and ingore the fact that Mjolnir is a weapon. How like you. But, whatever, I'm only stating the facts. Mjolnir, like a gun, only rests in its place until someone wishes to use it. Like it or not, it's a crutch that has saved Thor's ass countless times. You'll never see Hulk have to use a powerful mystical weapon to get the job done 95% of the time. That's all. I'm not complaining. Stop trying to turn the subject of the matter. And the... "I don't know where it is, but it's true" act? Yeah, classic hypocrite. When I present facts, I go to the source and post them, whether they're links or actual pics/scans.
And by the way, Hulk has beaten Thor more than once. And guess what? They're all connected to Marvel-616!
Incredible Hulk Annual 2001- Hulk overpowers and buries Thor under a mountain of rubble that takes him hours to get out of.
Let the Battle Begin #1- Hulk overpowering and knocking out Thor with a few powerful blows from his own hammer!
Incredible Hulk #440- Professor Hulk, disguised as Maestro, battles and overpowers and BFR's a fully-powered Warrior Madness Thor!
Want proof that Hulk can shatter Mjolnir? You've got it!
Hulk shattering Onslaught's armor with a single blow while on his back. It was stated that Onslaught's armor and power was at Celestial level. Unlike Thor, who needed his own strength plus Mjolnir to damage this kind of level of armor, Hulk did it with a single strike and with nothing but his fists.
Hulk crushing the enchanted uru hammer of Nul: Breaker of Worlds with his bare hands while Cul/The Serpent and his avatars known as the Worthy are at the height of their power!
And what about Hulk destroying the Sacred Flame, an indestructible Eternal/Deviant weapon that not even Kubic (a cosmic cube come to life) could harm, that was built to battle the Celestials themselves!
You know nothing of Hulk's speed. And you want proof that Hulk can and has caught Surfer in full surf mode? You've got it!
Tales to Astonish #92-93: Hulk catches Surfer in full surfing mode more than twice!
Dr. Strange: Sorcerer Supreme Annual #2- Hulk snatches Surfer's board from him right in full surfing mode.
And man are you delusional when it comes to Hulk being durability! u honestly think that Hulk can't endure what Thor can? You've given no real proof. Just your biased opinion, which isn't worth anything! And Hulk getting burned through re-entry? You do know he was unscathed after the fall, right? All of them to be exact! Want proof of that?
And a barrage of lightning from Thor only stuns Professor Hulk. Want some proof? I've got it!
And I guess diving into the core of Sakaar means nothing? Earth's core is over 12,000 F. And this was while Hulk was recovering from the effects of the Great portal. Not to mention the fact that Sakaar was larger, has greater gravity than, and is more volcanic and harse than that of Earth's environment.
Or how about when the Celestial Order powered by the Heart of the Universe, one-shot Namor and Dr. Strange while Savage Hulk shrugs off those same blasts?
But wait! I've got more! How about enduring Human Torch's Nova blast, which is over 1 million degrees, and Storm's most powerful lightning assault all at once unscathed and still recovering from the affects of the Great Portal?
What about when the Sentry released the full power and intense heat of a thousand, or in this case a million, exploding suns? That's about what? A lot more intense than the core of the sun or any star for that matter. Is that enough proof? Or are you going to ingnore and deny, and/or make up more false excuses?
God, you want to talk about a poor arguement! Dude you're the one doing it! I don't know what's more pathetic! The fact that your favortism is strictly for Thor, or the fact that you're totally biased and against the Hulk! And you cling to this delusion that he's superior to the Hulk!
Spare me of this nonsense! You say Hulk has no answer for whatever Thor plans to use against him, but is it really true? No. And then you go on to claim Thor's most impressive feats outrank the Hulk's? Talk about bold and totally untrue, especially if one where to consider the fact that most of Thor's most impressive feats are that of Mjolnir, some powerful mystical weapon, a massive plot device, or something else entirely!
But I'm not here to discuss that. No, I'm here to tell you a simple truth. After this, I don't want to hear a word, a response or anything from you because this is what is boils down to when it comes to Hulk and Thor.
They're equals okay.
Deal with it.
Move on with your life.
I never came on here saying "Oh, Hulk can kill Thor no problem". I came on here to shed some light, to reveal the F'ing truth that both sides, Hulk fans and Thor fans and their haters, need to realize and accept.
Hulk and Thor?
They're equals.
Thor has more powers and versatility thanks to Mjolnir, but has limitations to how far that power can go.
Hulk has infinite power, but can accesses it through different means.
Nuff said.
Shut the hell up and get on with your lives.
I didn't read the rest of that part. But, I don't believe She Hulk is really important now.
Well its obvious that the degree was rather unnoticeable because it did not look like he was draining anybody other than Surfer.
It wasn't supposed to be Rulk. The writer intended it to be the green Hulk but the artist apparently thought otherwise, so looking at it now it is pretty questionable. However, I did not know it was not cannon. If so, then I guess the feat is invalid. But Thor has another win against an amped Hulk in Fear Itself.
What are you talking about? The Avengers Assemble I was referring to was indeed the one you posted. That is a win for Hulk.
At this point I only have one thing to say: why is it so difficult for you to understand what standard equipment is? I will attempt to explain this in the most simple way I possibly can. The difference between a gun in general and Mjolnir is that Mjolnir is something that has always been standard weaponry for Thor. Just like Wonder Woman's lasso or bracelets, or Silver Surfers board. On the other hand, a gun in general is not necessarily standard for a user. It is exactly the same as artifacts like the HOTU or IG. You don't see Thanos using those things in a every fight, do you? No. Only then would your so called "facts" apply. But seeing as how Thor for decades has consistently used Mjolnir in fights, it is standard equipment for him, therefore being fair to use in a fight. And actually, your contradicting yourself as we speak. Was gamma radiation a part of Hulk right from the bat? I don't believe so. You don't see me ranting on about how its unfair that a gamma bomb hit and turned Banner into a super strong raging beast. If you think Hulk is a badass because he doesn't need a magic hammer, then fine, your opinion, but it isn't really relevant here.
.......Act? Uh, if I had access to the interview, I would show it to you. I suppose its up to you if you believe me or not, but go ask anybody that knows anything about Thor's fight with Glory and they'll tell you he was a sky father level being.
How is burying Thor under some rocks a win? At best you could say that was a temporary advantage.
Let The Battle Begin isn't cannon.
Hulk hitting Thor in the air isn't a win either, especially since that hit did nothing to Thor, and he wasn't anywhere remotely close to being at full power. I think I already actually explained that to you.
First off, that statement is obviously false since Cyclops and Thor were able to damage him, and I really don't see either doing that to a Celestial of decent power. Another thing is that Hulk had to get significantly stronger to do that. He will not have that kind of luxury in a fight where his opponent has control over the hammer and will also be attacking him. So, irrelevant. Oh, and I'm also pretty sure Onslaught wanted him to break the armor.
Destroying something like that is indeed a very good feat, however it ties into the same thing I've been saying. Brute strength alone won't cut it at this level. He will not be able to use that kind of striking power against someone he can't even touch. On top of that, Thor has proven durable enough to withstand his hits anyway.
Surfer was not using any noteworthy speed in either of those incidents. There are also dozens of times where much much slower characters have easily tagged Hulk and times where people like Spider Man and Wolverine have danced around him.
I did not say that Hulk can't endure what Thor can. I said Hulk can't endure Thor's best attacks which are magic based, something Hulk isn't very durable against. I have given proof. Thor took him down with one bolt of lightning. His lightning is not as powerful as the attack he used against Glory. If he has serious trouble with Thor's lightning, the 1000 Winds attack will tear him to shreds and there's nothing Hulk can do about it.
Not the point. If Hulks skin was not durable enough to keep him from flaming up on re-entry to Earth, then the suns core will vaporize him instantly.
If I'm not mistaken that scan where he withstands the lightning is from the same fight with the WM Thor. If that's the case then Thor in that fight was seriously depowered. So he did not withstand lightning from a full powered Thor.
Since when is anybody talking about the Earth? I said Hulk would get vaporized by the suns core, which is significantly hotter than the Earths. If you have proof that Skaar's core is anywhere near the heat of the suns, prove it.
Hulk shrugging off attacks from someone empowered by the Heart of the Universe? Okay, this is some major PIS. You need to stop dwelling on Hulks high ends, because a great deal of them really are just ridiculous PIS moments.
That was WB Hulk. Not relevant. And even then, that's only like 1-2 million degrees. Suns core is 27 million degrees. Even that Hulk would still probably get vaporized.
......That was not the heat of a million suns. If that was the case, you would maybe think the Earth would be destroyed? Sentry doesn't have that kind of power anyway, it was actually an hyperbole. Also, that was another much stronger version of Hulk. Not relevant.
Your argument has revolved around glorifying a bunch of high end Hulk feats and not caring to consider the dozens of times where Hulk has not been shown anywhere near that level, and getting your facts wrong.
I on the other hand have mostly just been naming abilities within Thor's power set, most of them the average, and using that as proof that Hulk would not stand a chance. There is already proof as well that you continue to ignore.
Thor can drain Hulk with Mjolnir. Why? Because it has already been proven that people of that level like Silver Surfer who has done it twice, can.
Thor can use transmutation to shrink Hulk then squash him instantly. Why? Because that kind of trick has already worked on Hulk, and instead of waiting for him to get pissed and regrow like Goom did, Thor will just smash him instantaneously.
Thor can control Mjolnir to blitz Hulk non stop with FLT hammer strikes that have shattered small mountains and planetoids. Yeah, Thor literally doesn't even have to move to beat Hulk, and you want to say that their equals?
Thor can use his lightning to repeatedly bombard Hulk with it until he passes out. His lightning has already dropped Hulk in a single bolt.
Thor can use teleportation to take Hulks the suns core where he will be vaporized. Why? Because Hulk has never withstood heat anywhere close to that level and has been shown burning up on re-entry to the Earth.
Thor can BFR Hulk into space where he will be floating helplessly, then kill him with a God Blast. Nothing Hulk can do about that.
Thor can use Winds from a 1000 Worlds to rip him apart. Why? Because Thor's lightning already can do the job, and this is a far stronger attack. And on top of all of that, Hulk isn't even durable towards magic based attacks and has been hurt by such several times, all well below Thor's power. His regeneration can't save him forever.
And then, Hulk can't even do anything to put Thor down. Since all he literally has is brute force, he will be attempting to punch him or thunder clap, which is all completely pointless due to Thor's FLT flight, teleportation, and ability to create a vortex which Savage Hulk has failed to get through before, and the fact that hes taken Hulks best hits before. Tell me, how is Hulk equal to someone who he can't even touch or put down before hes dead or KOed by any of the following above?
So, if your biased mind will allow you to see it, Thor CLEARLY is someone that SHOULD win against Hulk every time, but doesn't due to plot and morals.
Thor and Hulk are only equals when Thor is mindlessly slugging it out and has his power reduced by writers so Hulk can appear to be on par with him.
Until Hulk has proven to be equals with a Thor that uses his powers wisely instead of always holding back and slugging it out, Thor will always be better overall, no matter how you look at it.
Case rested.
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