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Master Roshi from episode 1 of dbz (including anything from db).

Lord Boros, the dominator of the universe, at the power he was at fighting Saitama.

Fight to the death.

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@jeepeh said:
@nessy3 said:
@jeepeh said:
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@jucaslucasa said:
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Boros' best attack couldn't hurt Saitama, while their regular punches could.

Subterranean should one shot him tbh.

Saitama didn't one shot him

Yeah, but they could hurt Saitama, while Boros' best attack couldn't.

What does that tell you.

The punch that made Saitama bleed did barely anything, and the enormous Subterranean's punch that sent him to the other side of the city did absolutely nothing to him. Whereas Boros's best attack could destroy planets (or stars apparently?) and did nothing to Saitama. I wouldn't try to apply too much logic to that dream. If one normal sub could make Saitama bleed like that, then by logic he would not have defeated all of them plus the giant ones. His power level changed to keep it all a fun threat because that's what his dream was about. Real Saitama > Dream Saitama.

The punches that Saitama used on Boros also did "barely anything" if you're referring to destroying environments, so I suppose that Boros' attacks are more powerful than Saitama's.

Than however much force Saitama was using on him at those times, yes. And, I don't know what you mean. What punches are you referring to? Saitama blew apart part of the ship behind Boros with his consecutive normal punches, we already know that Saitama's typical punches vaporize rock landscapes for hundreds of feet away from him without any actual impact being made. And Saitama's final punch to overpower Boros changed the air flow across the majority of the planet. Also, Boros's destructive output was largely based on energy emission, not on pure physical power. My point here is that the Subterranean that made Saitama bleed punched him across the street. Boros punted Saitama to the moon and Saitama's biggest concern was "that jerk....". There truly is no comparison. Dream Saitama was just that, a dream. Things usually don't make sense in dreams. I've held a sword by the blade in a dream, but I don't think I'd do that IRL. And Saitama bleeding to an opponent barely bigger than him and then tanking attacks from an oppontent a hundred time stronger than that doesn't make sense. The comparison can be properly lined up in what I said above. Subterraneans punch people across streets and collapse bridges, Boros punts Saitama to the moon and vaporizes half of his own ship with the energy exerted in one punch. Dream Saitama cannot be treated to be equal as real Saitama for powerscaling.

I'm referring to his first punch destroying boros' armor, his second removing his arm, his third sending him flying backwards and begin to bleed.

None of these first 3 attacks damaged the environment very much (especially the second punch, seems like the most powerful of the three, and yet does the least environmental damage). Boros' attacks however carry a lot of kinetic force, as they commonly cause explosions and send Saitama vast, vast distances. However I don't think any of these crazy attacks from Boros are as powerful as one of Saitama's punches.

I think what you can gather from this is that sending people flying across the planet or destroying environments seems to not solely be from the power of the punch, but also how much effort the user is using. Saitama obviously has the power powerful attacks but doesn't destroy environments until he puts a bit more effort in (consecutive, serious).

That's why the Subterranean's punches can kill everyone on the surface in 1 hit, and can also damage Saitama. They are simply strong enough to be able to kill things without having to put in tons of effort, which is why their attacks can be considered more "precise" and less "wasteful", like I would argue Saitama's are. Some of Saitama's punches may wipe out massive environments as well, if he puts effort in as well, such as his punch that he nearly hit Genos with.

Basically, I don't see any inconsistency if we simply assume that the Subterraneans are very strong. But what you are saying is that Saitama has become weaker in the dream, don't really see the evidence for this being that he does say that he never loses, the surface is guarded by him, and he wipes out countless of them even though they are each more powerful than any enemy he has ever faced before.

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@jeepeh said:
@nessy3 said:
@jucaslucasa said:
@nessy3 said:
@jucaslucasa said:

Boros' best attack couldn't hurt Saitama, while their regular punches could.

Subterranean should one shot him tbh.

Saitama didn't one shot him

Yeah, but they could hurt Saitama, while Boros' best attack couldn't.

What does that tell you.

The punch that made Saitama bleed did barely anything, and the enormous Subterranean's punch that sent him to the other side of the city did absolutely nothing to him. Whereas Boros's best attack could destroy planets (or stars apparently?) and did nothing to Saitama. I wouldn't try to apply too much logic to that dream. If one normal sub could make Saitama bleed like that, then by logic he would not have defeated all of them plus the giant ones. His power level changed to keep it all a fun threat because that's what his dream was about. Real Saitama > Dream Saitama.

The punches that Saitama used on Boros also did "barely anything" if you're referring to destroying environments, so I suppose that Boros' attacks are more powerful than Saitama's.

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@nessy3 said:
@jucaslucasa said:

Boros' best attack couldn't hurt Saitama, while their regular punches could.

Subterranean should one shot him tbh.

Saitama didn't one shot him

Yeah, but they could hurt Saitama, while Boros' best attack couldn't.

What does that tell you.

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Saitama was nerfed to hell in his own dreams. Boros slaughters all subterraneans with shown feats.

He still one punches everything though, and they wiped out like 90% of the surface, and had never found anything that had survived a punch. Seems to me like he just imagined them to be really strong.

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Boros' best attack couldn't hurt Saitama, while their regular punches could.

Subterranean should one shot him tbh.

Saitama didn't one shot him

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The ones from Saitama's dream in episode one. Just a single average one vs Boros, The Dominator of the Universe

To the death. Who wins?

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Both Full equipped.

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Characters are at the level of power when fighting against Buu, except the kids have the Potara ear rings and the adults don't.

Who wins.

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A nuke goes off in a city. Who can save the most people?