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#1  Edited By multiverse

There have been quite a number of topics relating to superhero/villain attractiveness and several polls but in searching through topics on the General Discussion Forum I could not find a poll asking about specific features that make a character, or several characters, attractive. Personally, when I think about the attractiveness of real people I tend to focus on particular features of a given person and the same features across people. Thus, I wanted to see if people do the same kind of thing for superheroes/villains.

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I have never read much of the Wonder Woman stuff and probably won't after the new 52 come out. However, I do like what I've seen of her in the JLA and such. Below are three issues I would want to be addressed in a Wonder Woman reboot.
 
1. One thing that DC has trouble with is the whole issue of what exactly the Greek Gods are. As I understand it, Marvel's Asgardians are extra dimensional aliens. It seems like a good idea to think of the Greek Gods in a similar way. Differences between mythology and comics could then be explained as confusion on the part of the ancient Greeks.
 
2. To me the Amazons have always seemed like a unique strand of ancient Greek culture. However, as an independent state they should have relations with the world in addition to just Wonder Woman running around. They should also have their own styles of dress, architecture, and technology that plausibly could be a Greek culture carried to modern times. Maybe Wonder Woman's costume is what Amazons wear into battle these days and the infamous invisible jet is the result of Amazonian cloaking technology.
 
3. There will probably be a number of people who disagree with me but it would make sense for me if Wonder Woman were a lesbian. I say this mainly because she grew up on an island entirely populated by women. In any case, I think that Wonder Woman's romantic pursuits should reflect the fact that she doesn't come from 21st century American culture.

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@ArturoCalaKayVee said:
@JBBuc said:
Can I cast my vote for Gina Carano? She's 5'8, a true fighter, tough, beautiful and has a solid-but-feminine bod. She may not be perfect, but she is 1000x better than the 97 pound waif that Hollywood will eventually latch on to. 
I completely agree with you on this. I think she would be a very good choice. Or someone like...and hear me out on this...angelina jolie. because shes in plenty of action movies, she knows how to, as the kids say, F.S.U.
I've thought Angelina Jolie should play Wonder Woman for years.
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The most striking thing to me about the article and the comments is how little Lois Lane has really been used after her marriage to Clark/Superman. In my opinion, Lois, or whoever Superman is with, should contribute something to his role as Superman that no one else could. One could ask: Would this person still be part of the stories if her presence wasn't required because of being Superman's lover or because of years of continuity?

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@labarith said:
And I think many of you, focus on "you", like to pretend that other people know what they're doing, and that OMD, Flashpoint reboot, and general dickishness in a blind-leading-the-blind dash to making more money by gimmicks is somehow a good idea.  Your faith and the accompanying unwillingness to criticize DC is disgusting in light of their full-frontal attempt to shoot themselves in the foot.   
I think you may have slightly misunderstood my post. As it happens, I don't particularly like the portrayal of Clark and Lois in the couple of panels. I am all for criticizing DC. The main purpose of my post was encourage humility on the part of those of us who are commenting on the rewrite/reboot/relaunch. 
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I think many of us, myself included, tend to think anything done with a character that doesn't fit our preferences is stupid. In general I trust the people at DC to do a reasonable job with their new 52. Some of the titles will likely be better received than others. The ones that aren't well received will be canceled or retooled. 
 
As to the whole Kal-El/Lois thing, I tend to compare Kal-El to myself. Obviously, I am not an alien superhero but the people I spend time with and the women I like tend to be similar to me. Kal-El needs to find someone of similar power levels he can share the superheroing with. The humans in Kal-El's life should be something like court jester's who can tell him when he does something stupid instead of being his friends or lovers.

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@Maki_P said:
There's an Elseworlds where Superman and his "Kryptic Order" operated from the shadows (Secret Society of Superheroes, for those curious). It was very creepy, the group use devices to be invisible and guarded the world with anybody ever seeing them (which I found very disturbing). And without public opinion being a concern they had become judge, jury and executioners, trapping people who disagreed with them in the Phantom Zone forever. Also Green Lantern, the Atom and Plastic Man used their abilities to manipulate the world's economy in their favor. In addition the story show the position of metahumans through the eyes of Bart Allen (who for some reason lives in the present and it's the son of a Barry Allen who never became the Flash). In a world where there are no heroes with unusual powers a young metahuman feels like a freak and has no one to identify with
I think the Secret Society of Superheroes story is a good example of why ALL superheroes should be public even heroes like Batman. I think that to a certain degree, for fans in the real world, superheroes are kind of like celebrities we feel we can trust. For example, I know I can trust Peter Parker to use his powers wisely so it doesn't bother me that he mostly works independently of the authorities. However, as the Secret Society of Superheroes story illustrates, not being in the public eye and not having someone to hold you accountable can lead to a hero abusing their abilities. 
 
Aside from the accountability aspect, the other issue that comes up is the issue of what being completely public might do to a hero's personal life. Imagine if everyone knew that Clark Kent is Superman or that Bruce Wayne is Batman. The usual assumption is that this would lead to attacks against their loved ones. Two points. First, this happens anyway. Second, I tend to think that a realistic superhero would spend their personal time with people like themselves. This doesn't necessarily mean that Superman spends his free time only with other super powered aliens but it probably does mean that he would be spending time with people who are also capable of handling villains in their own ways.
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1. I completely agree with Babs on liking the romantic stories in comic books 
 
@chipsnopotatoes
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 I'd like the relationship to be one of equals.
2. I think you've hit upon one of the main problems in comic book relationships and on one of the main reasons why a Bruce Selina relationship could work. Often the, usually female, love interest doesn't have anything to do other than be rescued by the, usually male, hero. There are many more exceptions to this pattern than there were in the past but it can still crop up. The main example, in my opinion, would be Superman and Lois Lane. Incidentally, I think that Lois would work best as something like Superman's version of Oracle. 
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@DeawonCDelaney said:
I look at it like this Iron Man was a drunk and Wolverine practically stalked and lusted after Jean Grey for years, and they have turned out fine, when its all said and done they dropped the ball with Hank Pym. Its like they want to make him a great character but they constantly drop the ball with him always making him the low man on the totem pole and while others go on to prominence they let him create Ultron. I mean seriously this guy is one of the founding members of the avengers but he known as a women beater, and Jan flirts with Tony Stark in the  Avengers beginning and sleeps with Hawkeye (as I might add her unprotected sex with Clint and her spilling the beans to scarlet witch is one of the key reasons she went nuts).
When you think about it quite a number of heroes in both the Marvel and DC universes are not really the best of people. With regards to Hank Pym, I think it is important not to minimize Hank's hitting his wife while keeping that event in the context of other things he has done and in context with US society. On a more general note I think it is important to, occasionally, take a critical/analytical look at what happens in comic books.