Geuosup

@King Saturn said:

@Geuosup said:

Thor didn't have Warrior Madness when he fought Thanos, Odin confirmed it. He wasn't even tapping into the power gem fully either, and guess what? Thanos ran away from him when he had it.

Thor = Thanos. I just showed 2 instances of Thor taking it to Thanos, in fact Thor dominated Thanos in both fights.

So actually

Helspont>>Thor>>Thanos>>Surfer.

@King Saturn: That was years before Majestic's powers in his own series was established. Once Wildstorm become part of the DC multiverse, Majestic beat the crap out of Eradicator who's Superman with energy and matter manipulation.

ah excuses...
I was hoping you would see the problem with the ABC logic you are applying here...

Not really,Surfer had been established in the 90's when he was beaten to death by Thanos. Surfer does not have fast operational speed, it's actually pretty slow compared to other characters. People seem to think Surfer had some massive upgrade post annhilation but the majority of the feats people use for him are from decades ago.

Helspont would mind control a mexican to KO Surfer for him, then laugh

Thor didn't have Warrior Madness when he fought Thanos, Odin confirmed it. He wasn't even tapping into the power gem fully either, and guess what? Thanos ran away from him when he had it.

Thor = Thanos. I just showed 2 instances of Thor taking it to Thanos, in fact Thor dominated Thanos in both fights.

So actually

Helspont>>Thor>>Thanos>>Surfer.

@King Saturn: That was years before Majestic's powers in his own series was established. Once Wildstorm become part of the DC multiverse, Majestic beat the crap out of Eradicator who's Superman with energy and matter manipulation.

@SUNMAN said:

@Geuosup said:

@SUNMAN said:

@Kerrotvorpoas said:

@SUNMAN said:

@Kerrotvorpoas said:

@SUNMAN said:

no since those days of PIS Karate Kids been brought down to logical levels for his universe. His feats of owning Kryptonian level beings are simply CIS

In other words you know absolutely nothing about the character. First off Geoff Johns has stated that the Pre Crisis Legion history is canon. Second of all any volume you want to use has Val performing feats that put him leagues above street leveler. Post Zero Hour he was kicking a Daxamites ass and even hurt him with punches, 3 Boot Val shattered an 80,000 ton sheet of ice with a punch and slapped around Ultra Boy.

You may want to read up on the characters before posting.

I'm familiar with all runs on the Legion of Superheroes.

This fight could go either way

No you aren't, if you were you would know that instance of Batman lasting more than a second against Val is PIS.

Val by himself would train wreck the Marvel team. period

calm down buddy. I'm just recognizing PIS for what it is by the standards of the DC Universe

You're failing to recognize PIS. PIS is inconsistency, Val's feats are consistent. Don't like it? Cry to DC, Val still solos this team in seconds though.

Plot induced stupidity does not simply constitute consistency or inconsistency.

Obviously if you take all Val's feats and abilities into consideration during this fight team 1 would win as I alluded to in my first post. But since many of his showings go against the physical limitation or standards set most other DC works for a character with his physiology I think it behooves people to recognize this.

That is exactly what plot induced stupidity is. If Batman lifted a bus above his head, that would be PIS. Val is a character who, despite having no superhuman physical stats, can replicate superhuman feats through his mastery of martial arts. There is nothing remotely PIS related about that and it essentially serves as an excuse for people like you who know nothing about the character to attempt to downplay him. 90% of his feats are in the category of smashing meterors or fighting Superman or whatever, that was the level the creator envisioned Val at when he was created. Period.

Yup, Thanos was getting knocked around by Thing and Thor.

Thanos is barely above Thor's level.

Helspont>>Thor=Thanos>>Surfer.

@SUNMAN said:

@Kerrotvorpoas said:

@SUNMAN said:

@Kerrotvorpoas said:

@SUNMAN said:

no since those days of PIS Karate Kids been brought down to logical levels for his universe. His feats of owning Kryptonian level beings are simply CIS

In other words you know absolutely nothing about the character. First off Geoff Johns has stated that the Pre Crisis Legion history is canon. Second of all any volume you want to use has Val performing feats that put him leagues above street leveler. Post Zero Hour he was kicking a Daxamites ass and even hurt him with punches, 3 Boot Val shattered an 80,000 ton sheet of ice with a punch and slapped around Ultra Boy.

You may want to read up on the characters before posting.

I'm familiar with all runs on the Legion of Superheroes.

This fight could go either way

No you aren't, if you were you would know that instance of Batman lasting more than a second against Val is PIS.

Val by himself would train wreck the Marvel team. period

calm down buddy. I'm just recognizing PIS for what it is by the standards of the DC Universe

You're failing to recognize PIS. PIS is inconsistency, Val's feats are consistent. Don't like it? Cry to DC, Val still solos this team in seconds though.