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@King Saturn said:

I have read what you said... it's not very convincing... that is the point.
to say a man is not deserving of a title shot just because YOU think the competition he defeated before he got the shot was crap is subjective... you already know their records before they fought Jones... most of these men was either on win streaks or have respectable names... just because YOU think the opposition he faced before he got a shot at the Belt was weak... we have been over this several times...
if my argument was solely based on fanboyism... then why are you having to put down legit fighters just to make your position felt more reputable ? why are you saying things like Bader was a No Name in the UFC when he was one of the best young talents in the UFC before he fought Jones ? Why are you saying that a man like Vladimir was a no name when he had a 24 - 4 record before fighting Jones and then getting beat by Jones ? It's sad that you have to step over decent fighters just to say one man is Overrated... sure, they may not have been the cream of the crop at LHW at that time... but they was still skilled fighters... and Jones dominated them... this idea that you have that Jones in no ways should have gotten a Title Shot is absurd... he had a good winning streak or dominance... and even after he won the Belt he made up even more ground by handling, Rampage, Shogun, Machida...
The point of our discussion was why does Sonnen deserve a title shot while Jones did not at the point of his fight with Shogun ? It was who was more deserving of one... the reality is that Sonnen looked bad against Bisping and The Spider... while Jones had ran through his opponents...
at this point I don't care what you think about my argument... if you think I am a fanboy of Jones or whatever... all I know is, it's pretty screwed up that you would step on guys like Bader and Hamill and Vladimir to say that aren't that good... when they have quality careers at that point before fighting Jones... regardless if they was Championship Level fighters.

Obviously you haven't but then I'm not surprised since acting like a brick wall and refuse to see anything that doesn't paint your hero in a positive light, there is a difference between not being ready and crap competition and the fact that YOU can't tell is all the more telling that you're not reading anything or you're just dense and trying to have any form of conversation with you is pointless on my end as I've already wasted enough time trying to talk to you

@King Saturn said:

you said your piece... but your piece was weak... it's not even a legit claim
he beat Bader, he beat Vladimir, he beat Vera, all of them was quality when they fought Jones and he beat them and was given a Title Shot... he was a quality alternate for the Title Shot and we see this now because of his dominance in the Division after he won the Belt anyways... your argument for Sonnen getting a Title Shot was terrible in comparison to why Jones should have had one... Jones was dominating everything at that point... Sonnen has two terrible showings, so why should he be given a shot at a Title with such weak showings... when have already been over this...

It wasn't but then you would have to read it it to be able to stand by that claim( you didn't so you can't )

None of them actually especially Bader and Hamill( who still rides off the I had a bio-pic based on me fame )

A title shot that when the roles were reversed he turned tail and ran despite being busted several times saying he's a warrior and will fight anyone any time( someone get that smug guy a dictionary )

Your argument on why Jones was deserving is weak and only based on fanboyism and you turn blind when presented with anything that goes against that fanboyism

@King Saturn said:

what you are saying makes no sense... it's almost like you are consumed with dislike for Jones as if he screwed your mom or something... it makes no sense to say Bader was a no name when the dude was 12 - 0 when he fought Jones... you admit Jones beat Vera... and that DQ on Hamill came as he was dominating the guy... maybe, it's best you keep thinking Jones is lame... if that was gives you your jolly then okay... but I tend to think a guy who can run through Shogun, Rampage, Machida the way he did... does not suck.

No you're consumed with nothing but love for the almighty Jones so anything not falling in line with that confuses your blind fanboyism, I've said my piece that you've ignored over and over again( like Bader fighting no names to pad his record boxer style ) so I leave you with your frosting at the mouth Tyler Perry fan rants since you attack anyone who dares have something negative to say about his holiness Jones

@PassionFlower said:

You're right I think Aaron has A LOT to make up for with his AVX Vs that was hor-ri-ble. It is idiotic and absolutely sickening. I was very surprised by it I expected a lot more from him. I don't know what to expect from his A+X BP/Storm one shot.

I don't know what was up with that issue, it's damn near like it was written by someone else entirely and they just slapped his name on it like they did to Rozum on Static Shock

@King Saturn said:

Little Nog is 20 - 6 and he has had his moments...
yeah yeah... Bader was a No Name... Vera was a No Name... Vladimir was a No Name... sure sure... seem awfully funny IMO that Dana White felt that Jones was a good alternate after Rashad got hurt for a title shot don't you think ? I mean oh my... what was Dana White thinking letting such a loser like Jon Jones get a title shot... he aint done nothing but dominate no names... GTFO

Belfort won a Submission Decision against a 6'2'' 200 lbs Rumble Johnson... yeah, he was absolutely terrible... and before that Belfort was terrible with his KO win over Akiyama...

Come on Man... are you just trolling for the posts or something ?

It's funny that you're skipping or ignoring what I'm saying in your blind Jones fanboyism

I said Lil Nog hasn't done anything worthwhile in the UFC( which you skipped over ) and for sure is never brought up in title challengers which further proves that point, hell they only mention his name when talking about either his brother or that entire training camp

Bader is a no name who won TUF( and is 1 & 1 in fighting named opponents ) and besides being known as a TUF prospect it's produced a 50/50 split of either future champs, actual champs or fighters who are be future endeavored

I said Vera and Hamill are names and that he got dq'd fighting Hamill, hello McFly

Vlady is only known because of what Rogan says on commentary and that is good or bad( good in his case ) and still doesn't mean much like the supposed Machida era that was to go one forever

He did dominate no names but Dana saw there was money in Rashad/Jones and to get rid of that whole teammates don't fight each other rule he's been against for a long time, but it's easier to skip that in favor of saying Bones is the second coming

That fight against Rumble was terrible and you know it, hell it wasn't even a fight as Rumble was too gassed to even do anything before the fight even started( it turned into a catchweight fight ) but again it's easier to ignore all that isn't it to prop up Jones

I'd ask you that actually but it's fanboyism on your part isn't it?

@Umbraa said:

I'd say it's always best to reserve judgement on a story until you've actually read it.

---Jason Aaron on writing Black Panther again and T'challa showing up in the X-verse, and the cover.

I would like to give Aaron the all blind faith hyped on him but his issue of Versus ended that, I will wait and see with him like Hickman's NA

@King Saturn said:

my god... are you that filled with hate towards Jon Jones ?
before Bader fought Jones... Bader had defeated Little Nog... not a huge name... but a notable one... at that time again, Jones was dominating everyone... so you named a few people who don't agree with Jones getting a title shot, so what ? The point was Jones was deserving of a Title Shot based on his dominance in the UFC at that time... yes, Belfort fought and dominated Middleweights... but Sonnen looked terrible in his last two fights against Middleweights so he was not deserving of a Title Shot. This has been the point from the beginning.

No, just not drinking the kool-aid when it comes to him

Not really as at that point and even now Little Nog hasn't done anything in the UFC other then being Big Nog's brother and in the camp that has Machida/Nog/Aldo/Santos

Again I pointed out that Jones was dominating no names with the only then names being Vera and Hamill( who he got dq'd fighting ), I also pointed out that if we're going by that logic then that means damn near half the lhw roster either should be getting a shot or have gotten one before Jones( and after a lack luster fight against Rashad that dominating champ title is in question ), even pointed out how dudes in other divisions have better streaks then Jones yet get nothing.

Belfort looked terrible in his fight before Jones and yet he still got the title shot( three times in a row actually and he lost in one of those ) along with several other points I've made that you've missed or just ignored

@King Saturn said:

your logic falls apart heavily...
Ryan Bader before he fought Jon Jones was 12 - 0, that's right undefeated... and before that Jones had beaten a 24 - 4 Vladimir Matyushenko... so again, it made a lot of sense for giving Jones a title shot.
So how is it Belfort's fault that Rumble could not make weight ? Also, did Rumble come in Overweight meaning Belfort choked out a Heavier 6'2'' 200 lbs Rumble Johnson basically ? Also, that KO Belfort had against Akiyama was pretty sweet regardless of how big he seems to be...
The Point you are Still missing here... is that both Belfort and Jon Jones was on winning streaks before they got their Title Shots, now you can question the level of competition... but to me Jones beating an undefeated Bader at that time was worthy of a Title Shot IMO... it's not really much to complain over IMO considering the run Jones had at LHW up to that time.
Sonnen in his last two fights has looked very lackluster... Sonnen looked bad against Anderson Silva ( somewhat understandable since he was fighting the GOAT ) but Sonnen also looked terrible against Bisping, a fight he was given to on decision... so again, Sonnen is in no ways worthy of a title shot because of his last two performances...

Lolz, yeah right my logic falls apart, sorry while I roll my eyes

Again Bader beat who? Nobody that is a name let alone a name a casual fan will recognize, I have a friend who even likes Bader and will tell you off the Bader win Bones shouldn't have gotten that title shot considering that even then Bones had beaten no one of importance outside of arguably Bonner. Yeah Belfort had impressive showings at...........MIDDLEWEIGHT so how does that translate into a shot at a belt at a higher weight class outside of the Dana influence of saying ,"well Belfort is a former lhw champ back when his name struck fear into everyone not named Couture". If we're giving out title shots for a measly 3 fight win streaks then you can add in Fitch( who I loath ), Cerrone and even Nate Diaz( both before him and Cerrone fought )

Sonnen/Bisping was a toss up as that fight could have gone either way and Sonnen at least has his first fight with Anderson as a showcase( how long has Edgar rode his two fights with Penn as why he should have stayed at lw? ), hell I like Rampage( use to love that guy but his mind/heart hasn't been right for a good while ) and I was the most vocal about him not deserving a shot off the Hamill win since that fight was terrible( TERRIBLE! ).

Only good thing to come out of all of this is that thanks to being coaches on TUF we get to see into the character of both men which thankfully got moved to a better day

@King Saturn said:

Jon Jones was more understandable for a Title Shot than Belfort or Sonnen though... Jones has won 3 straight fights ( all finishes ) before he got his Title Shot... and no one was really complaining when he got his shot at the LHW title either... Vitor Belfort before his shot at the title with Jones has two impressive showings against Rumble and Akiyama, so him getting a shot at the title seems understandable too... he was on a bit of a winning streak... but Sonnen had just loss to The Spider in lackluster fashion... why do we reward Title Shots to people who just lost their last fight ? And it was not like Sonnen looked all that impressive against Bisping either...

As Sonnen and Rashad before him pointed out he got his shot by beating who? Bader!?! The same guy who got choked out by Tito, using Rumble( a guy who couldn't even make weight for that fight ) and Akiyama( a welterweight posing as a middleweight ) as references doesn't work either as neither of them is top 5 let alone 10. Going by that then Fitch should move up to light heavy as his list makes more sense then all of these people combined

@mikethekiller said:

Chael Sonnen doesn't deserve a shot at Jon Jones.

Belfort didn't either but he got one, Jones himself didn't with Shogun but he got one