fanofsuperheroes

You gotta love comicvine logic. Thor vs Superman is a great debate which means people think Thor can hang with Superman. Hela pretty much ragdolls Thor through an entire movie. Now Hela can't handle an inferior kryptonian even though ya'll think Thor can hang with a superior one and Hela beat Thor???

Hela's conjured swords were able to be knocked aside because he was slapping them away, they were not piercing the flail. I would bet money that the warriors three could probably give the Kryptonians a little bit of a challenge. Hela was able to take out the first ones cause they weren't ready and had no idea what was going on. Hogan knew some badass was coming so he got prepared. Also, just because you get tagged by inferior people doesn't always have a meaning. If you could walk through a tunnel getting constantly bombarded by gun fire KNOWING it wouldn't even make you tickle, would you try dodging it? Or just tanking it? Hogun and the few guards that actually hit her are obviously because she knew it wouldn't matter.

Hela is taking Faora out. It'll be a long battle due to the speed difference but she'll get her in the end.

I might be in the minority here, but I am going with my interpretation of the question "Who is the BEST???" That can mean different things to different people. I'm not going with most powerful or most versatile. If I were trapped somewhere and in order to escape against all odds and I had one call to make for help, I would call Psylocke. She is my best, honestly, because I love the fact that she can create her psi weapons which go in tandem with her martial arts. She doesn't rely on her psychic abilities which I think gives her an edge. To be honest, I'm not really sure where they have her now but she was a powerful telepath and telekinetic plus the psychic weapons to go with being a ninja. She kicks ass in my opinion. Most of the others are dull as dish water.

I'm afraid that they are going to concentrate more on her character development and not her power, thus making those Thor fanboys say she isn't powerful cause she doesn't do anything impressive. Sad. I can't wait for character development though.

Wow! What a 25 page read. We have several people who don't understand characters or how movies work. Also, how many times do people have to say the same thing??? I skipped most of those post cause I already read them the first time.

I guess I am going to start with Thor first. He is an Asgardian God of Thunder. His power is 'magical' in nature. It even states that Mjolnir wasn't his source of power so when he lost his hammer and realized the power was in him, what you call awakened, it wasn't a power up, it was just his natural power. That is just how powerful he is. When he gets Stormbreaker, it isn't a power up. It literally states in the movie he needed a weapon to contend with the Infinity Stones. That's what it was created for. Better than Mjolnir and more powerful but still nothing to do with his own power. Also magical in nature which is how it helped him recover. NEVER once does Thor stomp Thanos. Thanos literally just fought half the avengers and not only added the mind stone to the gauntlet but created the loop of power of all 6 stones when Thor surprised him with a blast of lightning. Then he threw his axe. Thanos obviously thought the stones would take out the axe and Thor but clearly it doesn't, so the axe sticks in his chest. If you are saying that Carol fought a weakened Thanos then by that logic so did Thor. Fat Thor is not a weaker Thor just because he is out of shape since his power is magical in Nature. I might concede that he's a little slower agility wise but that's about it. I saw Love & Thunder and yes, he got back in shape in the beginning but that didn't make him more powerful. Just look better. There is nothing in the movie that suggest he got more powerful. As a matter of fact it kind of seems like Jane was just as powerful as he was which to me would seem like a step backward for him but I don't like that idea. I have my own idea on Jane's power level but I'll keep that to myself.

Now for Captain Marvel. I understand that the MCU and comics are different, but her main ability in the comics is to absorb energy and use it to amp her physical stats or create the photon blasts. They specifically say she absorbed the 'light speed engine' when it exploded or essentially power of the space stone. Since they can't use the mutant angle they made that the way she got her power. Unfortunately nowhere through the movie do they explain that she absorbs energy or can go binary so I feel like when she starts to glow is when she accesses more power. Thusly, she can choose how much power she uses in her blasts which is why they seem inconsistent. I would love to say she absorbed the infinity stones power to amp her more but there is zero evidence that backs that claim up for now.

Whether you like it or not, Thanos was a threat, a big threat, and Captain Marvel did extremely better against him than Thor did. Everything points to that. If you want to say that she absorbed the energy from the gauntlet in order to no sell that headbutt then you HAVE to agree that she would absorb any lightning that Thor would throw out because 1 it is energy and 2 there is NOW WAY that his lightning is as powerful as an infinity stone.

For the one shot Stormbreaker idea, I am not discounting it at all, however, Captain Marvel DID grab a kree sword when swung at her and then break it. It's probably not as powerful, obviously, but it does show that she could possibly do the same with SB. There is zero evidence that suggest she couldn't. We haven't seen enough of either instance to say otherwise.

As for other posts that I've seen, you have to realize these are movies and they want specific things to happen regardless of what they may mean in terms of battles on comicvine. For instance, Captain America used Mjolnir JUST AS WELL AS THOR EVER HAS after just picking it up when Thor has wielded it for centuries. I mean seriously, if you don't understand that that was because they wanted the viewers and Cap fans to finally get the worthy cap scene they had been dying for since Thor was introduced, then there is no help for you. There is no way he's is going to be just as powerful AND know how to use the hammer almost better than Thor in a matter of seconds AS WELL AS combining the hammer and shield together in an awesome combo. I mean really??

In conclusion, my opinion is that Captain Marvel would eventually win. Thor has a lot more experience in combat and a weapon that potentially could win it for him, but overall, Captain Marvel has better showings across the board. It is in NO WAY a stomp either way though and the winner would be extremely injured.

@gokuwarrior said:

@darkman61288: wonder woman's weakness is pointless,she can deal with bullets and swords even when she is blind,and that weakness was misunderstod by some writers and that's how they mado so many inconsistencies with wonder woman's durability,so they better stay away from it.

I understand what your saying and I agree that writers are very inconsistent in her abilities, however, why would she need her bracelets if she was vulnerable to those things? They are essential to her character and her background and they are what is suppose to help her overcome her vulnerability.

@marvel123 said:

@fanofsuperheroes: i kinda agree as well.................come to think about it, there are alot of carbon copies of superman out there. however i actually don't mind having the other kryptonians out there (including those in the superman family, h'el, zod and his army as well as the kandorians)............imo, this essentially humbles superman, showing that he's not necessarily supposed to be superior to everyone else and that there are others that are capable of having the same abilities. i personally think that all kryptonians should be represented like superman (ability-wise)

as for the other characters, WW, shazam, MM, captain atom icon, gladiator, sentry, hyperion, ect.......who all can fly, possess super speed and super strength....... i def. see superman's influence (ability wise)

I guess I just lost respect for this entire Superman kryptonian thing when they underlined the fact that he was the only survivor from his home planet. Then they gave us Supergirl which I could have dealt with, it was a decent story to bring her in. Why in the heck are there a whole new planet full now? lol

In my opinion I hope her durability still remains with a weakness in it. For me it is what makes her more relatable. More of a hero. Each hero should have a weakness to make them more mortal. Superman is Kryptonite and WW was piercing objects. It gives her a more realistic vibe (albeit it is comics and non realistic). I don't want to see her as a carbon copy of superman. That's just stupid since we have PLENTY of copies of Superman like Supergirl, Powergirl, Superboy, blah blah blah......

@Stronger: I suppose that's true, though in my head they both alter your mind in one form or fashion, but I see your point. So then I ask you this, if Superman is trying to kill Doomsday, I mean really kill him, do you think he is holding back?? If not, what do you think Black Adam is going to be able to do to actually put Diana down?? I am not a reader of BA but as far as I can tell its all the same things as Superman right? So he won't KO her if Superman can't, let's just say for arguments sake they are the same speed, durability is also on the same level unless BA starts using some sharp weapons. They both have lightning.........what do you think BA can do to actually put WW down?

@Stronger said:

Please answer my questions.

Did Wonder Woman get humiliated by Bizarro? Has she ever beaten a non brainwashed Supes? Does Superman change the way he fights depending on the circumstances?

Again,if you need scans of the fights I mentioned,just ask...

I'm pretty sure he started off by asking you to post scans to prove your points.

As already mentioned Bizarro and WW fight is non canon.

WW and Superman fighting is not going to happen unless one is brainwashed, so we just have to go with what battles they have had. Black Adam might be able to hit as hard as Superman (though I doubt it) but the point is she can tank superman hits then she can tank BA hits.

Sorry but Superman is not a skilled warrior, he has the few things going for him such as strength, speed, and invulnerability, that he mostly uses in every single one of his fights. Diana is a much more skilled fighter which is why she is able to hang with him even though he is slightly more powerful.

@drgnx: I very much appreciate the scans, was not trying to say anything bad about you posting them, just that someone was saying batman took out the whole lot of people with no problems. Personally I hate Batman and I think he gets way to much credit for being a vigilante cry baby woah my parents were murdered and I'm never going to get over it rich boy complex who thinks he knows everything. That's just my take on him.

I am inclined to agree that if this fight took place in the comics and was written as it should be that WW would take the bats out in all three rounds. She spent her entire childhood up until she was actually chosen to become WW fighting and learning about battle tactics and how to take people down. So whoever thinks that if you take away her superpowers and she isn't that great, you just made her into Artemis albeit a better combatant and as per one scan Artemis took Batman down before he cheated and poisoned her. So WW should have minimal difficulties.

So what those scans prove is that Batman KNOW's that WW is his equal now that he has superman's powers, which is why he BFR'd her so he could take out the others and just concentrate on her. Pretty legit for WW if you ask me. Not too mention as it states they were pulling their punches so as to not hurt him.