DarthShap

Let's face it. They have created a mess and they do not know how to fix it. They do not know what did or did not happen. They're just making things up as they go.

@xybernauts said:

@DarthShap said:

2)There is just no way to make a movie out of Crisis on Infinite Earths because it requires dozens of movies about those Earths otherwise people would not care about them disappearing. Same thing about the Black Lanterns, which would require hundreds of superhero deaths prior to the actual movie.

You'd only need a monologue at the beginning of the movie to get viewers up to speed. In any zombie movie they don't showcase every human death, all they do is tell you the apocalypse happened and move to the story. So to me a superhero zombie movie could be done. The same basic idea holds true for an "Earths" movie. You don't need to do a full length movie for each earth. You just need to have a monologue.

But those monologues do not get you invested in the universe, like, at all. Why should you care if Earth-2 disappears if you've only heard of it in a monologue? Why should you care about those heroes coming back from the dead if you have not seen them die? They are not mindless zombies at all. They are very talkative and most of what they do is talk about continuity.

@OutlawRenegade said:

@DarthShap said:

@OutlawRenegade said:

Why do people think that if DC uses Darkseid first, then they won't have any villains to use later?

They could do an Atlantean Invasion story. They could do a story with a secret and shadowy version of the LoD/Injustice League/The Light like in Young Justice. They could use Hades. They could even make Felix Faust a servant and worshiper of the inter-dimensional god Starro (just make him a Lovecraftian as possible). It's not hard coming up with threats. Just read Grant Morrison's run for other ideas.

It is not that somehow there will not be any villain to use, it is just that you cannot top Darkseid, the ultimate threat. If Justice League is to become a franchise, that is going to be huge problem.

Anti-Monitor. Crisis of Infinite Earths. Explore New Genesis and Apokolips further in a sequel. Black Lanterns. There are plenty of ways to top Darkseid.

1)Those are not Justice League stories.

2)There is just no way to make a movie out of Crisis on Infinite Earths because it requires dozens of movies about those Earths otherwise people would not care about them disappearing. Same thing about the Black Lanterns, which would require hundreds of superhero deaths prior to the actual movie.

@sethysquare said:

@DarthShap: nothing ultimate about joker?

wahhahahahahahhaahhahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahaha.

oh god. you crack me up.

And you fail to answer to arguments.

I think you do not understand the meaning of the word. It means "last", "final".

The Joker is not no way linked to any idea of ending.

@moywar700 said:

Not many people are gonna like my JL idea.I think there should be no villain in the story.The Justice League's mission is political and they go around the world doing politics stuff.There's once scene where Superman stops the middle east from killing each other with guns but they ended up having a blood bath with rocks as weapons.The movie will explore Wonder Woman ambassor's mission for world peace.She writes a book and there's a public outcry for it because of how scandalous it is.

So basically, the Authority?

@sethysquare said:

@DarthShap said:

@sethysquare said:

@DarthShap said:

I thought it was way too soon in Johns' comics and I think the exact same thing here.

@Grishnakh said:

Darkseid seems like a poor choice, they just did that in Smallville, that was what they did in Justice League Unlimited (the animated series), he's a Superman villain. Also, there's nowhere to go from there. Go for a Justice League villain like Fernus or something.

He is no more a Superman villain than he is a Justice League villain. He is actually a New Gods/Fourth World villain.

@sethysquare said:

@longbowhunter said:

Brainiac or Amazo. Jumping right into Darkseid...He's the ultimate threat. Where do you go from there?

Theres always the secret society, vandal savage, starro and brainiac.

But none of them are ruler of APOKOLIPS, responsible for the FINAL Crisis and wielder of the OMEGA force.

Everything about Darkseid makes him the ultimate threat.

so he should not be a villain in the first movie because he is the ultimate threat?

What is so hard to understand about the word "ultimate"? ^^

Joker was the ultimate threat for batman and he was not present in the final film.

Lex Luthor has always been the ultimate threat for Superman, not matter how many alien superthreats comes along, lex luthor has always been the only that would defeat superman, mentally and strategically. Yet lex was in the first movie for Superman the movie.

I just don't buy the idea that just cos Darkseid is the ultimate threat he should be in the last film. Even if he is in the second film, people would say the same thing again, where do we go from here.

Besides, Darkseid isn't really a JL villain, but a New Gods villain. Starro and Secret Society has always been more associated with JL.

IMO

There is nothing "ultimate" about the Joker (although I do think that the third film suffers from its reveal that the last villain was...Talia) or Lex Luthor (who, because he was introduced this early was used way too much in the sequels IMO). To Darkseid however, it is inherent to his character and to his entire mythos.

@OutlawRenegade said:

Why do people think that if DC uses Darkseid first, then they won't have any villains to use later?

They could do an Atlantean Invasion story. They could do a story with a secret and shadowy version of the LoD/Injustice League/The Light like in Young Justice. They could use Hades. They could even make Felix Faust a servant and worshiper of the inter-dimensional god Starro (just make him a Lovecraftian as possible). It's not hard coming up with threats. Just read Grant Morrison's run for other ideas.

It is not that somehow there will not be any villain to use, it is just that you cannot top Darkseid, the ultimate threat. If Justice League is to become a franchise, that is going to be huge problem.

@sethysquare said:

@DarthShap said:

I thought it was way too soon in Johns' comics and I think the exact same thing here.

@Grishnakh said:

Darkseid seems like a poor choice, they just did that in Smallville, that was what they did in Justice League Unlimited (the animated series), he's a Superman villain. Also, there's nowhere to go from there. Go for a Justice League villain like Fernus or something.

He is no more a Superman villain than he is a Justice League villain. He is actually a New Gods/Fourth World villain.

@sethysquare said:

@longbowhunter said:

Brainiac or Amazo. Jumping right into Darkseid...He's the ultimate threat. Where do you go from there?

Theres always the secret society, vandal savage, starro and brainiac.

But none of them are ruler of APOKOLIPS, responsible for the FINAL Crisis and wielder of the OMEGA force.

Everything about Darkseid makes him the ultimate threat.

so he should not be a villain in the first movie because he is the ultimate threat?

What is so hard to understand about the word "ultimate"? ^^

I thought it was way too soon in Johns' comics and I think the exact same thing here.

@Grishnakh said:

Darkseid seems like a poor choice, they just did that in Smallville, that was what they did in Justice League Unlimited (the animated series), he's a Superman villain. Also, there's nowhere to go from there. Go for a Justice League villain like Fernus or something.

He is no more a Superman villain than he is a Justice League villain. He is actually a New Gods/Fourth World villain.

@sethysquare said:

@longbowhunter said:

Brainiac or Amazo. Jumping right into Darkseid...He's the ultimate threat. Where do you go from there?

Theres always the secret society, vandal savage, starro and brainiac.

But none of them are ruler of APOKOLIPS, responsible for the FINAL Crisis and wielder of the OMEGA force.

Everything about Darkseid makes him the ultimate threat.

He is one of my favourite characters. The New 52 has been awful to him.

Higgins made him very bland. Pre-New 52 he was a man of honor with values, pathos and a complex relationship to his friends and family. Now he is just a uber-badass, with a hint of daddy issues.

This already was one of the worst reboots when Higgins left.

Then Liefeld came...