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Tanking a hit from Kirk is impressive now? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Kirk isn't even on Jason Todd level. I'm talking Jason Todd when he was Robin. Deathstroke is far faster and arguably stronger. And since this is pre 52, his healing factor is on par with Khan's. Durability is the only possible advantage Khan has. And it's not enough to help.

I've already agreed that being hit by Kirk and being hit by Deathstroke are very different things. Yes, Khan would be more affected by a punch by Deathstroke than a punch by Kirk. That's obvious. But, we don't know by how much more he would be affected by a punch from Deathstroke. I am trying to point out that he was so durable that he completely ignored Kirk's constant attack for a half minute or so. It's not that it just hurt him at little--he didn't even feel it. In fact, it looked like it hurt Kirk to punch Khan. So yes, I do think tanking a hit--or rather, a constant barrage of punches, elbows, and knee strikes--from Kirk is impressive.

So, what effect are Deathstroke's punches going to have? Some, but are they going to take Khan out? No, not easily. I think it would take many, many punches to do that. And while that's happening, Khan is going to get some hits in too. Remember that Spock--whose strength is superhuman as well--Vulcans are usually estimated to have the strength of 3-5 humans, and he has (in the normal continuity) been shown to casually bend iron bars--was not able to significantly damage Khan either, until Uhura showed up and started blasting him with a phaser. And that was only after he walked away from an enormous starship crash and then dropped 100 feet to the ground.

On the other hand, while Deathstroke certainly is not getting one-shotted by a normal human punch, he has been reasonably injured by punches from guys like Batman. He does not simply stand there and take punches from normal humans as if he doesn't notice them. He gets hurt.

So Khan's durability seems to be significantly higher than Deathstroke's and I think that will help him quite a bit.

Faster? Stronger? Hard to say. Personally, my feeling is that Khan has an edge on this, but at worst they're even.

Healing factor? Deathstroke's is pretty good, I agree. For Khan, we don't get to see Wolverine-style healing going on in front of our eyes, so it's impossible to know exactly how good it is. But, its effects on others' health are clearly extremely impressive. The characteristics of his blood brought a girl from a terminal illness into good health very quickly. It brought Kirk seemingly back to life after radiation burns. It brought that stupid tribble back to life. Deathstroke's healing factor, while good, is not at these levels.

Skill? Deathstroke has the advantage here. Khan's H2H skills were not significantly on display in the situations he was in in the movie, although clearly he has some. But in any case I don't think he is as skilled as Deathstroke.

So, certainly it's possible that Deathstroke's skill advantage will give him the win. But, given that Deathstroke is at best equal on strength and speed and tactical thinking, and that he has a significantly lesser durability and probably lesser healing factor, it won't be easy.

Are Vulcans superhuman in the reboot tho? I don't ever remember them mentioning it in the first movie or in this latest one. Yeah..when Kirk was hitting him, I thought he was absorbing the energy or something since Khan had no damage but Kirk looked like he had just gone 3 rounds with a prime Mike Tyson. LOL.

I'm going to have to say that Batman hits much harder than Kirk as he has kicked through trees..knocked people through brick walls and defeated superhumans with only his fists. So I doubt Khan would tank Bats shots. Especially once Batman figured out he was dealing with an augmented human.

Khan didn't have any speed feats anywhere near Deathstroke's level. He's taken out groups of people who have peak human and arguably superhuman speed. Not just once either.DS would've easily wasted those Klingons with just his sword and faster than Khan did.

I think the jury is still out on the healing factors. It really only helped him recover from Scotty blasting him with phaser. And surviving the crash. I've seen DS survive worse though. TBH, I don't think Khan could even beat Nightwing.

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@owie said:

@batnorris said:

Sorry bud, khan is certainly ruthless, but he's not on deathstrokes level. At all. Good movie tho

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Unless Khan has Prep, Deathstroke will kick his butt !

Deathstroke should have the Strength and Skill with H2H combat to easily fight with Khan... and if Weapons come into play DS should still be able to take out Khan... though the Cannons Khan had in the movie in that particular battle on that particular planet with those particular aliens was pretty serious ( trying to cover up for spoilers )...

You don't think so? I'd say Deathstroke is more skilled. We didn't see a huge amount of technical H2H skill from Khan, although I think it's clear that he had training. But Khan's ability to tank damage and pain would make it kind of hard for DS to take him out, considering there's no weapons. What could DS do to him that Khan couldn't just absorb, considering what he took from Kirk, without even a reaction, or considering all the phaser fire he took at the end? I'd guess Khan has somewhat superior physical stats in every category, plus equal tactical brains.

Tanking a hit from Kirk is impressive now? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Kirk isn't even on Jason Todd level. I'm talking Jason Todd when he was Robin. Deathstroke is far faster and arguably stronger. And since this is pre 52, his healing factor is on par with Khan's. Durability is the only possible advantage Khan has. And it's not enough to help.

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With the exception of Ares who is WAAAAAAYYYY beyond his Marvel counterpart, the Marvel gods are a bit above the DC ones. DC Herc might have a slight edge over Marvel one. I think DC Poseidon might be a bit tougher too. Marvel Poseidon is supposed to be not far behind Zeus but doesn't have too many feats.

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@CannotSpellMyName said:

Follow-up question: What will happen to the chestburster if it can't get out of Superman? Will Supes' immune system take it apart and annihilate it or will he have to remove it either through his mouth, rectum or via super surgery?

It happened before already in a cross over he got face hugged in a planet with a red sun, he than went back to earth and due to PIS his body consumed the chest buster some how.

If this was the first Supes/Alien crossover, he didn't consume it. He puked it out. It almost burst through his chest a few times before. He ended up close to the sun somehow and the rays gave him back his powers. He then puked out the alien. Then he flew to the ship where Lois and the doc were just in time to save them.

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#5  Edited By DaAwesome2

He would probably just puke it out the same way he did in the crossover. Non-canon I know but I could still see it happening the same way.

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Batman, Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes, Sensei, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Cap.

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Well Wolverine isnt going down dont care about Wesker, in the movies he didnt do too much to keep up with Wolverine's healing factor

So im saying Team 2 just for Wolverine and Spiderman

He's the best there is at what he does for a reason

Movie Logan is nowhere near the best at anything.

Wesker heals just as quickly and is stronger and faster than movie Logan. He's arguably faster than movie Spidey too.

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I'm taking team marvel,,I don't see anyone stopping Logan here

Movie Logan almost got ended by Yuriko in the 2nd film. He won off a fluke. Other than healing from Jean burnin' off his flesh, he wasn't that stellar. He was struggling to beat a regular human when Striker's team invaded the manison. Dude had him up against the table about to stab him.

Alice would stomp him w/powers. Rain would give him all he could handle.

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Yeah..they're both gonna have to work together to take Bill. One on One Bill is too much for either of these guys.

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Should I have it made it Cap vs all of them hand to hand or Cap vs Rain w/parasite and Jill H2H?

Alice had some good feats even without the T virus in Retribution tho. Remember she was fast enough to take out 4 of the zombies in the time it took that gun clip she tossed up in the air to fall back into her hand.

Now obviously Cap could take out multiple infected people in one shot where as Alice had to do it one at a time. And I don't think Cap would have to run from the ones in the Japan sequence as he took out a whole squad of superhumanly strong Asgardian (Elves) in Avengers Prime miniseries. But I figured the numbers game could catch up to him with Alice plus Leon and Ada. I should've picked Chris Redfield as Luther is probably getting one shotted.