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The Agamotto Gambit. Interesting....

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#2  Edited By Celunon

The Sorcerer Supreme of the Earth dimension protects the entire universe. There are Sorcerers Supreme of individual planets, like Urthona of Gevaltu, in a distant galaxy, but of these, there is a "supreme Sorcerer Supreme", so to say. Certainly, some extradimensional mystical threats can have cosmic-level consequences; Dormammu once stated he would destroy the Celestials, and in another instance, his use of the Evil Eye threatened the Skrull and Kree empires.

Mystic Arcana also briefly commented on this, it mentioned that there seemed to be conflicting information on the issue; McNee theorized on possibly Sorcerers Supreme for every solar system, and one of them is chosen for the dimensional title.

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#3  Edited By Celunon

I think he fed off of Strange's negative emotions, his self-doubt and fear, and amplified it so much that Strange was overwhelmed both emotionally and spiritually. He might also have done something with the Eye of Agamotto.

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#4  Edited By Celunon

I'm sorry, but the last issue felt like a let-down...it was just awkward, and too many things were unresolved.

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Most likely he killed himself...with Uatu's help. That, or someone from DC lent a hand. OR it could have been staged, not as likely, but still...

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#6  Edited By Celunon

@thanobomb1124: You're right. I guess it really does all depend on the writers in the end...which pretty much means that there is no certain answer to this thread...

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#7  Edited By Celunon

Shooter said the Beyonder was "like God before there was Genesis" - while that may sound impressive, think about it: So? For the Creator to have brought forth the Multiverse/Omniverse into existence, the Creator would have had to exist before Creation as well. And the Primordial Void existed then as well - AND there is the fact that the Marvel Multiverse is constantly in a state of flux, being destroyed and recreated over and over again. So keep that in mind as well.

The One-Above-All has actually been stated, in the recent update of the Official Handbook (now on sale at BN) to be "the entity believed to be the supreme being/creator of the Omniverse" - it's in the Appendix, in the back. Even I was surprised at this - but, it was right there, what it said, so, like, yeah...

And as for the true nature of the One-Above-All, and the "God" in Ghost Rider - well, all I can say is, the more most Marvel writers delve into religion, like Heaven and Hell, angels and demons, the more (most of the time) bloody and blasphemous it tends to get as well. I'm not sure why; in DC's earlier days, the Christian God was portrayed really positively. In fact, many atheist writers, such as Ellis, have published many comics about God and religion in Marvel - and the things they write can be very offensive. The One-Above-All was indeed meant to represent "God" - but a Supreme Being within the trappings of religion in Marvel would be awkward, given the appearances of God in a bar in Hell, angels being portrayed as cold and merciless killing machines, or the time that evil renegade angel nearly usurped Heaven itself...

(Then again, for all DC's usage of the Spectre, the Presence was apparently replaced by a little girl; I don't really care or know how or why, but, like, come on, even DC can do better than that...)

The writers of the Official Handbook didn't just pull the references of the One-Above-All creating the Multiverse out of nowhere - they had very good sources, explicit canon sources, but they're so little-known these days most people aren't sure where this comes from, if at all. There were literally dozens of references to TOAA in this mini-series, but most people seem to have completely missed them.

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#8  Edited By Celunon

I think the Fulcrum IS the One-Above-All. I mean, it's above the Celestials, and it is said to be all-powerful and all-knowing. Still, the Handbooks refer to him as some kind of "cosmic being" and are also vague on this issue. But I would give the Fulcrum at least a 9, on par or very nearly so with the Living Tribunal.

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#9  Edited By Celunon

While we're on the topic of the "Vengeance of God" - the Living Tribunal, confirmed servant and representative of the One-Above-All has actually worked with DC's Sceptre, or Wrath of God. So I think it is fair to argue that TOAA IS actually a close counterpart of the Judeo-Christian God...and besides, come on, it's more an issue of common sense more than anything, if you ask me...

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#10  Edited By Celunon

I think the current Living Tribunal could with effort defeat the Beyonder.

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