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I'm gonna throw another name on the table: Taskmaster.

He has the ability to mimic anything that others do, perfectly... but there's a finite amount of space in his head... how does that even out? Simple. He forgets other things. 'Like who caught the last ball in the 2004 world series?' No.. more like... 'Who am I? Or.. How old am I?'

Origin wise, it may not be so 'sad' but in a theatrical way, he's incredibly tragic. He may have a daughter but he can't remember. He may have been so many things... but he can't remember. Okay, probably not gonna 'win' this thread but he needs a mention because he inspires the most pity. That character makes me the most sad because although he's a neutral sort and doesn't care about who's right and wrong.. he's losing no matter what.

Remember how sad you felt in 'The Notebook'? He's like that..

I know exactly what you're thinking! I reconciled it in my head with this train of thought:

The assassin would have known about all the gargoyles that could have been researchable but couldn't put into account the single gargoyle that was there 'to look out for' the people coming in by air. Only a Wayne would have known that (which was higher up than the ones that could have ripped his arm out of his socket).

Basically, he got lucky only because he knew where the hidden gargoyle was.

@weaponmaster: I suppose, yes. It was all about timing: admid a serious debate on the internet all I see is a pause with 'I don't do lol' It'll make most people crack a smile

If I can remember correctly...

JLA is starting just over five years ago when superheroes are just starting to be 'outed' and known world-wide. Whereas Detective / Batman / Batman and Robin / Nightwing (the first Robin that has moved on) are all happening at the same time presently.

You've entered at a confusing age, where continuity is a bit blurry in DC. Before the DCU reboot 'Batman' was your typical superhero romp, in continuity. Whereas Detective Comics were sort of a little-bit-on--the-side stories. Not to say they weren't as good to read (in fact, I preferred the later Detective Comics stuff before the 'relaunch'). Basically, if you love Batman, you'll get both. If you're stuck for cash, just stick for Batman (Scott Synder's writing it and he is on form at the moment)

@LightBright: Thank you! very kind to do a quote/@ thing to boost my ego. But I'm glad someone understands what I'm getting at. To suggest institutional racism in the comic book crowd is absurd. There may be an argument in the transitional phase between comic and 'comic book movie' or 'comic book adaptation' but that's down to movie studios, study groups and all the horrible things we don't like in movies. Twice in one day I'm gonna say it 'Read Ten Cent Plague by David Hajdu' I am in no way affiliated or will profit from sales from this book but, holy smokes your brain will profit X100

Also, the following made me laugh/spray a few droplets on my laptop.

@JediXMan said:

@weaponmaster: I don't do "lol."

I have been 'out of the game' for a while in this community but I'm so glad to see this dude get his dues. He's been here (I assume) way longer than me but on the forums was so welcoming and friendly. Someone once said 'It doesn't matter if yo- ARRGGGHH! JESUS! VENOM'S EATING MY LEGS!'

And I think that sums him up awesomely.

Anyone who's suggesting the 'industry' is bias...

You have no idea how liberal and 'everyman' comics were back when they started. And this isn't 'Ye olde times' that I'm talking about. Stan 'The Man' Lee was around. We are so fortunate to be around the people who are still alive today and witnessed the beginning of the medium. One of the major criticisms of the comic book industry today is: why is it always 'left bias?', (which actually, writers in recent times have made an effort to correct) Hey, remember Civil War? The whole metaphor regarding how much a government can intervene on every day life? It was literally not about good vs bad. There were good guys and bad guys on both sides.

So when someone asks 'How come there aren't more black superhero films?' comes up and people use it as a platform to rant and rave, remember this: Cap punched Hitler before Pearl Harbour. The CCA tried to killed an artistic medium that didn't yield. Comics have always favoured equality over popularity. Yes there are obviously exceptions but people like the aforementioned Stan Lee have fought against censorship so you can have your voice splashed across your latest issue.

So when someone innocently asks 'How come there isn't a Black Panther movie?' Don't respond with 'Oh nobody in Hollywood/Marvel/DC' likes black people. We can find out why! We can look at how many titles of the featuring character sell etc. Lets not dumb it down, it'd be a shame.

But it boils down to this:

I don't think comic book fans look in terms of race, they look in terms of good characters.

I know what you mean. The skeptical side of us all would say 'Well 'Fables' just gave you not only a concept, not only a plot but a step by step story board'. However (still in the skeptical tone) it'd be very hard to sue with so many elements being so public domain.

What we can do as comic book ambassadors is not bitch and moan but rather say to friends who enjoy that 'Woah, mate, if you liked that, I'll give you something you'll 100% love' and hand them what you've bought. I converted my driving instructor (who loved zombies) onto Walking Dead. People may shout 'That's easy!' but I say Fables would be easier!

@danhimself said:

enhanced....I don't care what anyone says....the stuff he does is stuff that no peak human could ever do

I'd tend to agree. I've always thought that Cap was the absolute best a human could be physically ( so when you see those youtube clips of someone doing a one in a million feat, you have to assume 'Cap could do that') but that said, his premise was always 'The Peak' so purists could argue that.

Wouldn't have thought about this at all to be fair. He must have been slowly edging away rather than a sudden 'upgrade' that happens. Thanks MyronLee26!

Further question: Should heroes upgrade? One could argue that, yeah his abilities get boosted because everyone else's does. I'd say it'd be pretty awesome to see Cap (whom I have all the time of the day for) struggle to be both the symbol of freedom in a very modern time but at the same time be overpowered and struggle with that as well.

The intro music to the X-Men should get a mention here. I haven't come across an intro song for a comic book animated series that tops it. Batman TAS is a very close second.