Comic Vine Podcast 5-2-14

We're back. All the way. Tony and Mat survived C2E2 and WonderCon and are reunited with Corey. Find out what we thought of this week's comics, including AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #2, THE FLASH ANNUAL, and ORIGIN II as well as who is and isn't stuck on a feeling.

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@g_man: "Okay,this is exacly as bad as it looks like... "

Heh...

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@g_man: yeah, that's funny. Does Mat know what you're doing with these, or is he just the maybe not so innocent victim?

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@g_man: yeah, that's funny. Does Mat know what you're doing with these, or is he just the maybe not so innocent victim?

Yeah... I know. I cry every time.

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NEw podcaST!!!!!!!!

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'Amazing Spider-Man #2'??? Does someone have use of a TARDIS?

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'Amazing Spider-Man #2'??? Does someone have use of a TARDIS?

What he said.

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@inferiorego I agree with you 100%. I prefer DC cosmic over MArvel. I tried New Avengers, Avengers, and other cosmic Marvel titles. They either confuse, me, or I get bored reading them. Also dropped the new Silver Silver after #. Marvel cosmic just doesn't grab me.

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You guys forgot Southern Bastards #1. Excellent first issue, you should check it out if you haven't.

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@captainhoopla: That was it. I actually read it three weeks ago. I would've been curious to hear what Mat or Corey had to say about it.

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@g_man The not relating to super muscular powerful characters is one of the reasons Superman is often hard to write, doesn't sell well, and got a manor reboot. Because some people, not me, but some feel they cannot relate to him because he is too powerful and too perfect. I actually liked how perfect he tried to be in the pre-52. I like him now too, but he is younger and a little edgier seeming. Its also why I liked Barry returning as the Flash and Steve Rogers/Captain America, and even Peter Parker. Because for the most part they are these wholesome guys trying to do the best they can without compromising their ethics. For me it was never how cool or powerful their powers were.

Also, I read that Jack Kirby was the artist who started the concept of overly muscular superheroes, so I got to love that because I love his art.

But these concepts of race and gender and whatnot, I have talked to a few people who also feel they liked Amanda Waller better before (me included) and miss her old self. But maybe they can show her gain weight. I don't know. I am writing Monkey Boy #3 right now and trying to tackle some of these things early on so that down the line they are already established.

Along these lines, Dan Slott is trying to establish more female villains for Spider-Man I think. Who I have noticed has very few super female enemies unlike Batman who has several. I heard he is bringing in a female spider character who I think was bitten when Peter was. So they are tackling the issues of diversity too.

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I'm with Mat when it comes to Wally West and other New 52 changes.

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I'm with Mat when it comes to Wally West and other New 52 changes.

JOIN MY LEGION!

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Another great episode guys. Even though I've never disagreed more with Mat, but hey, we can't agree on everything ;-) And RAI is pronounced rĂ® ... like the grain, rye, as in rye bread.

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The only thing that will never change is Batman.

The rest are on borrowed time....even Superman ;)

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Stupid question What is the question forum?

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@nightfang said:

I'm with Mat when it comes to Wally West and other New 52 changes.

JOIN MY LEGION!

I'm with these guys.

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Revenge of the 5th!

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After giving the Wally change some time to sink in, I really don't mind it. As long as he remains a good character. The initial reaction is often wrong with things like this. I try pretty hard to be level-headed but it doesn't always work. I wasn't outraged or anything but I thought it was somewhat unsettling. I also agree with Tony. New minority characters should be created instead of just swapping out established ones. In the end, the quality of the story is the most important thing and we will know in time.

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@spideyfan3160: Why did you delete that comment? It was the perfect reply!

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The discussion between the three of you with the changing of Wally West and change in comics was probably one of the most profound I've ever heard you guys get. Well done! I'm more with @g_man on this, I want to accept this change, Wally was my Flash as well and it's hard to see this character, not only physically change, but personality wise too. I miss the joking, red-headed, childish, Young Justice Wally. I know I should move on, but it is very hard seeing a character you love be completely redefined, so I can see both sides equally. For Superior Spider-Man it was different because this wasn't Peter and we all knew he would be back, so I held on for the ride. This is different.

I also wish that, instead of changing establish heroes and villains to cater to a minority, they would try to make new characters, we can all cling to. I mean, think about if this was a whole new Flash! That would be pretty awesome in my opinion. I'm part Native American, and like Tony said, I don't connect with a character because he/she is my ethnic background. I connect with personality. And, so far, not really connecting to the new Wally West. I don't know, maybe I'm old-fashioned and should move on, but I just don't like change for the sake of change.

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@inferiorego: whoops didn't meant to

The only image that I can think that has changed in the last 2000 years is the cross it was first used to punish crimmals now it represents hope and love.

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The discussion between the three of you with the changing of Wally West and change in comics was probably one of the most profound I've ever heard you guys get. Well done! I'm more with @g_man on this, I want to accept this change, Wally was my Flash as well and it's hard to see this character, not only physically change, but personality wise too. I miss the joking, red-headed, childish, Young Justice Wally. I know I should move on, but it is very hard seeing a character you love be completely redefined, so I can see both sides equally. For Superior Spider-Man it was different because this wasn't Peter and we all knew he would be back, so I held on for the ride. This is different.

I also wish that, instead of changing establish heroes and villains to cater to a minority, they would try to make new characters, we can all cling to. I mean, think about if this was a whole new Flash! That would be pretty awesome in my opinion. I'm part Native American, and like Tony said, I don't connect with a character because he/she is my ethnic background. I connect with personality. And, so far, not really connecting to the new Wally West. I don't know, maybe I'm old-fashioned and should move on, but I just don't like change for the sake of change.

I agree with you and disagree.

If all of the sudden, during the middle of a Batman story, he just turned black, I'd be with you and Tony on this; however, the point I wanted to make, but never got around to is that this is the New 52. All bets are off, and they have the ability to make changes like this because these characters technically didn't exist yet and while yes, a part of me believes DC editorial is doing this only to cause controversy, which is working, there are lots of people and kids who want to have that character to connect with.

I'm about to open up... As a kid, in a family of women, and part Canadian, I felt quite alone growing up. I connected with Wolverine because he was a loner character. He felt like I did and he was Canadian to boot. \

Personally, I'll never be able to understand wanting to see a character a certain race because all of my heroes are already white, but that moment I found out Wolverine was Canadian helps me understand that there are folks out there that want to see their race represented in a heroic way.

Sure, they could create new character, much like they did with Miles Morales, who works so damn well, but DC's track record with new characters or rebooting older characters (Mr Terrific, Voodoo, Static Shock) hasn't been great.

I think we can ALL agree that it is completely baffling that DC, at the beginning of the New 52, gave Cyborg such a HUGE push but never gave him his own series.

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@inferiorego: Your right, this is the New 52, these characters have no previous history, unless your Batman or Green Lantern. This is not the universe of old; Pre-New 52. So I understand where both sides are coming from. I want to accept this, but like a lot of change it can be hard seeing someone you knew become almost a different character, give everyone time :) Haha, I'll just go back and watch some old Justice League/Justice League Unlimited cartoons to quell my butt-hurt.

Also, I'm still waiting for the Cyborg ongoing… Any time DC.

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On the question of changes in comics that kinda sucked -- what DC did to basically all the Charlton characters, especially the Question. Also, the redesigned Creeper.