is martian manhunter black

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#1 Posted by krisboyz781 (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

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#2 Posted by TheBlueAngel93 (21064 posts) - - Show Bio

Um...he's green dude

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#3 Posted by geraldthesloth (32689 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a martian..there's no such thing as races on mars..

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#4 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" He's a martian..there's no such thing as races on mars.. "
yes there is. White Marcians and Green Martians
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#5 Posted by geraldthesloth (32689 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nighthunter said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" He's a martian..there's no such thing as races on mars.. "
yes there is. White Marcians and Green Martians "
I guess what I said came out wrong -__-
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#6 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1673 posts) - - Show Bio

It does seem silly to try an assign an ethnicity to someone who is from a completely different planet (and therefore a completely different species).

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#7 Posted by dane (10744 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't usually bring it up but um, this thread along with your "white superheroes vs black superheroes" battle thread has me wondering.
 
Do you have a race issue or something dude?

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#8 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

 As a shape-shifter, Martian Manhunter can be of any race, species or genre that he desires, his main disguise John Johnes is white though
 As a shape-shifter, Martian Manhunter can be of any race, species or genre that he desires, his main disguise John Johnes is white though
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#9 Posted by Omega-level Supreme (1168 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL. I love it!

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#10 Posted by NightFang3 (12225 posts) - - Show Bio

I just keep thinking if he was born human he would be black.

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#11 Posted by geraldthesloth (32689 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dane said:
" I wouldn't usually bring it up but um, this thread along with your "white superheroes vs black superheroes" battle thread has me wondering.  Do you have a race issue or something dude? "
You noticed that too huh?
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#12 Posted by dane (10744 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Dane said:
" I wouldn't usually bring it up but um, this thread along with your "white superheroes vs black superheroes" battle thread has me wondering.  Do you have a race issue or something dude? "
You noticed that too huh? "
It seems to be a recurring theme of his posts.
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#13 Posted by xerox_kitty (17342 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought he was a Black Lantern (spot the person who isn't reading Blackest Night :) 
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#14 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (82985 posts) - - Show Bio

He's black on Smallville. But in the cartoon and comics he always seems to morph into a Caucasian.

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#15 Posted by Darkspyda15 (47 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think it matters he is not even human so its no point to even bring up his ethnicity. He is green!!
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#16 Posted by krisboyz781 (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

sorry guys my bad

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#17 Posted by Static Shock (51951 posts) - - Show Bio

SMH

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#18 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@krisboyz781 said:
"sorry guys my bad "
We do not accept your appology.
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#19 Posted by xerox_kitty (17342 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @krisboyz781 said:
"sorry guys my bad "
We do not accept your appology. "
Cheeky!  ;p
 
I think everyone knows the answer to the original question now.  
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#20 Posted by dane (10744 posts) - - Show Bio

I think every person whos ever seen MM already did.

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#21 Posted by mathematicscore (172 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, I think he ( krisboyz781) raises an interesting point, if somewhat simply put.  Manhunter's shapeshifting abilities and alien culture leave him widely open to interpretation.  I've always thought his more barbaric garments were suggestive of a tribal heritage, and his initial beetle browed depiction could be construed as African (in fact, his fictional fore bearers, Burrough's Green Martians from the John Carter stories, are often considered to be analogues to Native Americans) but on the other hand his personality was very Joe Friday with superpowers, and his martian form quickly developed more "Caucasian" features.  In later years some writers have treated him as a "token" character since he's the only non-white original JLAer, but just as many write him as totally Alien (which is really my preferred take)  Also, while little was made of it outside of the Ostrander run (I think Grant Morrison actually originated the idea in JLA) MM is supposedly the southern hemisphere's Superman.  I think they're talking more South America, but taken literally, that would include Africa as well.  Pioneering African-American creator Christopher Priest had a great run writing Martian Manhunter in Justice League Task Force, and while he was a little meaner than usual, I didn't see J'onn as any "blacker" than usual... 
 
The more I think about it, Martian Manhunter, even more so that Superman, is whatever you want him to be.  I think he's highly relatable.  But that's just me.

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#22 Edited by Lissbirds (57 posts) - - Show Bio
@mathematicscore: J'onn J'onnz is the ink blot of the DC universe, isn't it?  You see what you want to see in him. 
 
I don't mind when he takes various humans forms: Asian woman, little girl, African-American, whatever, but I still like to see him come "home" to John Jones, since I think his detective roots aren't played up enough.  He was a detective first and superhero second....in some ways, he's an amalgam of Batman and Superman.  How cool could that potential be, if the right approach was taken to his character?
 
The only form I couldn't handle was when he was a cat.  Did he really need to see life on Earth from a cat's point-of-view?  It's all just balls of yarn and playing with empty boxes, J'onn.  That's pretty much it.
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#23 Posted by vance_astro (89989 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a Martian."Black" would suggest he's of African decent....he's from Mars.

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#24 Posted by mathematicscore (172 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lissbirds: 
Sounds like being a cat would be pretty alright to me. ;)    
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#25 Posted by Archetype (726 posts) - - Show Bio

When I read him in a comic it is always in Carl Lumbly's voice thanks to the JLU cartoon.

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#26 Posted by Silver Knight75 (1250 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not entirely sure, I mean he can change his appearance to whatever he likes, so it doesn't bother me.
 
 
I guess green would be his default color

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#27 Posted by comicguy9 (116 posts) - - Show Bio

hes green
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#28 Posted by Hyperlight (7671 posts) - - Show Bio

yes hes black :)

to cool to be otherwise.... jp

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#29 Edited by BlackWind (9779 posts) - - Show Bio

John Jones is black, sometimes.

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#30 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (411 posts) - - Show Bio

Be easy on this guy, he's clearly colorblind.

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#31 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (16998 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nighthunter said:

As a shape-shifter, Martian Manhunter can be of any race, species or genre that he desires, his main disguise John Johnes is white though
As a shape-shifter, Martian Manhunter can be of any race, species or genre that he desires, his main disguise John Johnes is white though

this

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#32 Posted by PCN24454 (482 posts) - - Show Bio

Most modern depictions of his John Jones/human disguise are based off of Phil Morris, his actor on Smallville, so technically he's black. His Young Justice voice actor is Kevin Michael Richardson who is also black.

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#33 Posted by joshmightbe (27428 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, I think he (

krisboyz781

) raises an interesting point, if somewhat simply put. Manhunter's shapeshifting abilities and alien culture leave him widely open to interpretation. I've always thought his more barbaric garments were suggestive of a tribal heritage, and his initial beetle browed depiction could be construed as African (in fact, his fictional fore bearers, Burrough's Green Martians from the John Carter stories, are often considered to be analogues to Native Americans) but on the other hand his personality was very Joe Friday with superpowers, and his martian form quickly developed more "Caucasian" features. In later years some writers have treated him as a "token" character since he's the only non-white original JLAer, but just as many write him as totally Alien (which is really my preferred take) Also, while little was made of it outside of the Ostrander run (I think Grant Morrison actually originated the idea in JLA) MM is supposedly the southern hemisphere's Superman. I think they're talking more South America, but taken literally, that would include Africa as well. Pioneering African-American creator Christopher Priest had a great run writing Martian Manhunter in Justice League Task Force, and while he was a little meaner than usual, I didn't see J'onn as any "blacker" than usual...

The more I think about it, Martian Manhunter, even more so that Superman, is whatever you want him to be. I think he's highly relatable. But that's just me.

Every human being on Earth has tribal heritage that's not a black specific thing.

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#34 Posted by MyNameWasDeleted (683 posts) - - Show Bio

In the United States of America, anyone who isn't white is black- it's a different mentality than exists anywhere else on the earth. It calls into question socio-economic class moreso than ethnicity, but it is an ever present filter through which people see one another there. So I postulate that in the USA he is in fact Black, though to extrapolate into questioning just how 'high yellow' he may be, I defer to those peers that judge him and his place in their world, just as it is done in our real world.

Good luck J'onn

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#35 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2845 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by joshmightbe (27428 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Posted by MyNameWasDeleted (683 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: perhaps a bit of research into the topic would help you to understand my point. It's a clinical statement, not an emotional statement. Reality is tragically not what we hope it to be or wish it to one day achieve, reality is bitter and cruel to many. Sorry if I burst your bubble, things are getting better with regard to the issue I spoke of, but it's definitively not an 'Umm no' (to my point) kind of place.

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#38 Posted by joshmightbe (27428 posts) - - Show Bio

@mynamewasdeleted: I live in America and trust me people know there is a difference between black people, Asians, Native Americans, etc.,etc. This whole thing about black people and white people acting like they're the only races that exist or matter is starting to piss me off quite frankly.

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#39 Posted by MyNameWasDeleted (683 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: you might do well to excuse yourself from this thread as you find yourself in an emotional state, because the whole point of it is a discussion about perception. I'm not trying to upset anyone, but in the United States of America (which, by the way, is only a small portion of the land mass of the Americas- do you see what you did there by claiming it all? Small point I know, but it speaks to a mindset that is inherent in the USA, and the basis of my original statement- so thank you for making my point all the more relevant) you are white, or you are... striving to achieve what is available to whites more readily. No matter what race, you find yourself looked on as not the ideal, not white. Basically, black. This transcends race, it reaches into class, gender, sexuality and on and on. If it disturbs you though, that is a good thing. I speaks volumes of your character, and gives me hope you might make a difference. Thank you.

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#40 Edited by joshmightbe (27428 posts) - - Show Bio

@mynamewasdeleted: I'm only about a quarter white and no I did not prove your point. And trust me my ancestors know all about trying to claim s**t that doesn't belong to them but despite their best efforts my people are still here and will not just be placed in some vague non white lump just because some people don't have time to look beyond 2 groups of people.

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#41 Posted by MyNameWasDeleted (683 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: you did not prove my point, you brought relevance to my point- please read more carefully. This is not about hurting your feelings, but you are leading this discussion rather far afield. Could we please get back on topic- Martian Manhunter.

I would like to propose that MM dons the appearance of a white man, because it is his disguise, something he is furthest from- and thus something he IS NOT.

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#42 Posted by iSHADOW (1975 posts) - - Show Bio

He's Martian. Is Miss Martian a girl?

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#43 Posted by PCN24454 (482 posts) - - Show Bio

@ishadow said:

He's Martian. Is Miss Martian a girl?

Of course she is.

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#44 Posted by cameron83 (8528 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think it matters he is not even human so its no point to even bring up his ethnicity. He is green!!

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#45 Posted by Bogey (1022 posts) - - Show Bio

He's charcoal.

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#46 Edited by PCN24454 (482 posts) - - Show Bio

@bogey said:

He's charcoal.

what

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#47 Posted by drgnx (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

about as black as Jazz was ...

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#48 Posted by drgnx (3742 posts) - - Show Bio
Black and Proud!
Black and Proud!

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@drgnx said:

about as black as Jazz was ...

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LOL so true :).

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#50 Edited by drgnx (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@pcn24454 said:

Most modern depictions of his John Jones/human disguise are based off of Phil Morris, his actor on Smallville, so technically he's black. His Young Justice voice actor is Kevin Michael Richardson who is also black.

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The Irony is this guy always play the non-black black guy...he is like one of the most westernized African Americans males on TV, comedy or not, and I love him for that - great actor. At worst he deliberately takes on characteristics, comically attributed to a non-caucasian character trying to play "a character assimilated into western society", and at best, he doesn't normally play characters that have any traits that fall into black stereotypes. (How is that for tactically avoiding derogatory terms .... /pats back )

So if MMH's human identities are based off of him, I would definitely say he is not "black" in any sense of the term other skin when in disguise.

In all honestly, Phil Morris mainly acts normal (mainly does not play roles that depict African American stereotypes) and people create their own stereotypes on him for not doing so.

Example Silly stuff like another actor did:

Glasses, sweaters, polo-shirts, khakis (in this case short pants and suspenders), and no slang => Caucasian ... WTF,

thank you Steve Urkel

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My true thoughts, this thread represents everything wrong with racial profiling...the need to do it

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