It's to bad Warner/DC didn't plan as well as Marvel. The Green Lantern movie was terrible and I can't see fans getting pumped seeing Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern again. It would seem incredibly unlikely that Nolan's Batman universe would be used and I think it would be just as unlikely that DC will just start rolling out movies for every character just to bring them together. Man of Steel looks incredibly well done from what's been shown so far and it would seem like as good a place as any to start seeding a universe for a Justice League movie. It's just disappointing it wasn't all planned out beforehand.

Cmon DC! we really need to have agood competition to the marvel's avengers.....and im hoping this does it!

If we get this story line as the basis, but they snub Orion and Mister Miracle, I will be extraordinarily ticked off.

Like I said before, Amazo should be the villain in the 1st movie.

I want it as awesome as Avengers but if they rush this crap out, then it would prob suck

Nice to see that Boom Tube-Mother Box technology may be a part of this. Multiversal theory entering into a superhero movie can make this good, but hopefully not complicated. Still, just a bunch of rumors until we get something more concrete.

I don't see why they need to explain the character's orgins. Am pretty sure you could have enjoyed the Avengers without needing an orgin background, they just need to make the Justice League movie amazing and entertaining.

Knowing Warner Brothers, they'll screw it up big time. I didn't even think Avengers was going to be any good, when they started planning for the movie, but at least they had all the character's stories introduced before assembling them together.

I mean if we consider the current team from the comic book, then only one character will be going in for sure, who will be known and has played his/her part before JLA movie (Superman). As for Batman, it will be a different actor, since Bale won't be coming back, and from the chat I've had with my non-comic book superhero movie fan friends, they don't like the idea of a Batman, who isn't Christian Bale. Then we have Green Lantern, one of my favorite comic books, which WB ruined by casting The Funny man Ryan Reynold to play the role of Hal Jordan, who apparently in a interview said that he's an actor and he has the ability to portray a serious role, my #&@. So, from the movie viewer's perceptive, they wouldn't really care if they replaced him, but that's still introducing a new character. Finally, we have three others, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg or Martian Man-hunter.

It's not about appealing to the viewers, wait, sorry, it is about appealing the viewers, but WB is trying to project the same or greater success then Marvel/Paramount's or Disney now Avengers, which to me from their past ability of putting mediocre DC movies and the level of difficulty of casting and scripting a very well JLA movie seems highly improbable to me.

I remember how excited DC and WB were to announce that the writer of this film would be the writer of the then highly anticipated Gangster Squad, which has since been destroyed by critics. I'll hope for the best, but this is feeling a lot like Green Lantern all over again.

I'm constantly seeing people posting comments (not just here but in other features regarding the Justice League movie) that a Justice League movie won't be as good or be able to stand up to the Avengers movie. People are winging that it'll just look like a copy of the Avengers movie from the public's point-of-view (non-comic-book-fan movie goers), or that it won't work without several solo movies to retell each Justice League members' origin story (Wonder Woman, the Flash, etc). But people seem to be forgetting one really big factor:

Everyone already knows who Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are. And now, thanks to the Green Lantern movie, people know who Green Lantern is. With the Avengers, most to nearly all non-comic-book-fan movie goers had no idea who Iron Man, Thor or Captain America are. Robert Downey Jr made Iron Man a household name after his movienot before, and admittedly, some people might know who Captain America is before his movie, but no non-comic-book-fan would know who Thor is unless they thought you were talking about the ancient Norse God from mythology. The only character people would have known about (without his solo movies) would've been the Hulk, and I still have some people questioning me why the Hulk was on a superhero team.

Yes, admittedly, most non-comic-book-fans might not know who the Flash is (probably), and won't know who Martian Manhunter or Cyborg is either (assuming they're considered by the execs to be on the Justice League movie roster), but its the same as people accepting Hawkeye or the Black Widow on a superhero team without ever hearing about them before now (yes, I know the Black Widow was on Iron Man 2, but you know what I mean). Its just that the members of the Justice League have a far larger fan base and won't need too much time in the movie to dwell on their origins or pasts. This is a young Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman/Green Lantern/Flash/etc teaming up for the first time to save the world from some giant threat that only one or two of them can't handle on their own. If anything, the villain(s) will need a little more explaining time for the non-comic-book-fan movie goers.

A Justice League movie has the potential to blow the Avengers out of the park solely by their roster: regardless of Avengers being released first or having solo movies for their team members. The Justice League doesn't need solo tie-in movies, and we've already been told that the studios plan to release spin-off movies after a Justice League movie (i.e. a new Batman movie franchise, etc). Yes, we will need a good plot, giant budget and so many other things to make this movie worthy of being a Justice League movie, but lets put our faith in the studios like we do with every other movie released. If we don't like it, we don't have to see the movie 2 or 3 times at the cinemas and buy the ultra-special-edition blueray/dvd full-price the moment it comes out. If it's bad, the execs will know because the world will make sure they know, but ultimately, the Avengers have nothing over the Justice League in this particular respect, period.

(To whoever read this entire thing, give yourself a pat on the back, because I usually skip the douchey comments that are this long :)

@trinity_stormbreaker: (pats self on back) My biggest concern with the JL movie isn't whether it'll be a box office success. The fact Superman and Batman will be on the screen together will sell tickets faster than hot cakes. I'm worried about WB rushing the final product so that it's not as good as it could be if more time were taken. As for plot, the guy who wrote Gangster Squad, a film which has scathing reviews is writing the film so you'll have to forgive my apprehension about the plot. Plus Cyborg is a titan. Always has been in my mind and the ridiculous notion of making him a Leaguer makes no sense whatsoever. And Darkseid could be given the New 52 treatment. Last thing I want to happen.

@DH69: What? DC has only made like 8 super hero movies. They have barely made superhero movies so you cant say their movies sucked.

Superman Returns was good but they should have picked another villain.

Green Lantern self explanatory

Batman trilogy self explanatory

Watchmen was good

Jonah Hex sucked

V for Vendetta was good

Who care is average movie goers done know Darkseid. Did we know 007's foes? As long as its done well it will make BUCKs

Screw the Justice League. I want a straight New Gods film.

I say when they make a Justice League movie they should use an earth based threat like the Legion of Doom. At least for the first one.

YOU DARE, TOUCH ME

@Misterwizz: What are you talking about? Dc has only made 8 movies

Superman Returns was good but had a bad villain

Watchmen was good

Green Lantern sucked

Jonah Hex sucked

Batman trilogy great

V for vendetta good

Catwoman sucked

3 bad movies....... Yeah

@Misterwizz: I doubt it was Will Beall it might have been but I doubt it. The director was the same guy who directed Zombieland and 30 minutes or less and 10 minutes. Now he tried to make a serious movie? I wouldnt't blame Will Beall if JL is bad then yeah you can blame him.

@Lvenger:

--Mike Carlin: You need to have a computer guy in the Justice League, so it's a real natural progression. It's not something that's shoehorned in or nailed on or taped into place or held by band-aids. He belongs.

http://www.comicvine.com/cyborg/29-2388/transcript-for-cyborg-his-time-has-come/92-743488/

@Superdork said:

@Lvenger:

--Mike Carlin: You need to have a computer guy in the Justice League, so it's a real natural progression. It's not something that's shoehorned in or nailed on or taped into place or held by band-aids. He belongs.

http://www.comicvine.com/cyborg/29-2388/transcript-for-cyborg-his-time-has-come/92-743488/

Cyborg's place in the DC Universe has been defined by the Teen Titans, not the Justice League. His character development, supporting cast, problems and personality all stemmed from Wolfman's Teen Titans run. They do not fit into the general idea of the Justice League, that being a team of the World's Greatest Heroes coming together to defend humanity from big threats. That's not where Cyborg belongs. And if the rumours of Cyborg being in the Justice League film after a meagre few pre new 52 appearences as a member followed by one poorly done year as a League member in the New 52, I shall be justly annoyed. All the things you describe in your article are aspects of Cyborg that came from his run in the Teen Titans and belong there, not with the Justice League.

Hopefully it will be good. I want DC to make more live action TV series. I'm loving Arrow and would love to see a Suicide Squad series with a rotating line up. A Catwoman series in the style of Arrow would be amazing!! And I know this is a wacky idea but it would be cool to see a 52 series with a new episode everyday for a year. The chances of that happening though are very slim!

@Lvenger said:

@Superdork said:

@Lvenger:

--Mike Carlin: You need to have a computer guy in the Justice League, so it's a real natural progression. It's not something that's shoehorned in or nailed on or taped into place or held by band-aids. He belongs.

http://www.comicvine.com/cyborg/29-2388/transcript-for-cyborg-his-time-has-come/92-743488/

Cyborg's place in the DC Universe has been defined by the Teen Titans, not the Justice League. His character development, supporting cast, problems and personality all stemmed from Wolfman's Teen Titans run. They do not fit into the general idea of the Justice League, that being a team of the World's Greatest Heroes coming together to defend humanity from big threats. That's not where Cyborg belongs. And if the rumours of Cyborg being in the Justice League film after a meagre few pre new 52 appearences as a member followed by one poorly done year as a League member in the New 52, I shall be justly annoyed. All the things you describe in your article are aspects of Cyborg that came from his run in the Teen Titans and belong there, not with the Justice League.

Cyborg's description:

Secret/Public Identity: Victor Stone

Profession: Adventurer; Ex-Football Player

Abilities: Plugged into every computer on Earth. Sonic Cannon. Enhanced speed and strength. Teleportation. Flight.

Cyborg is the ultimate combination between man and machine, but his creation came from a tragic accident. Victor Stone was a gifted football player who had trouble connecting with his scientist father. While visiting his father's workplace at S.T.A.R. Labs, an experiment went horribly wrong and destroyed much of Vic's body. Desperate to save his son, Vic's father used several experimental and extraterrestrial technologies that turned Vic into Cyborg. Now Vic is plugged into every computer in the world and is a digital and physical tank. Cyborg's communication grid makes him the heart of the Justice League.

Do you see high school, teen, or Teen Titans anywhere in there? No, because those things are not essential to his character.

P.S. You don't need to be part of the teen titans or to be a teenager to develop as a character. Hal Jordan grew up in Secret Origin, Superman grew up in Birthright, and Batman grew up in year one. Vic can still grow into a more mature, heroic person, which is clearly where his character arc in Justice League is headed.

This has got to be rumor #847 on this movie (-__-)

@Superdork said:

@Lvenger said:

@Superdork said:

@Lvenger:

--Mike Carlin: You need to have a computer guy in the Justice League, so it's a real natural progression. It's not something that's shoehorned in or nailed on or taped into place or held by band-aids. He belongs.

http://www.comicvine.com/cyborg/29-2388/transcript-for-cyborg-his-time-has-come/92-743488/

Cyborg's place in the DC Universe has been defined by the Teen Titans, not the Justice League. His character development, supporting cast, problems and personality all stemmed from Wolfman's Teen Titans run. They do not fit into the general idea of the Justice League, that being a team of the World's Greatest Heroes coming together to defend humanity from big threats. That's not where Cyborg belongs. And if the rumours of Cyborg being in the Justice League film after a meagre few pre new 52 appearences as a member followed by one poorly done year as a League member in the New 52, I shall be justly annoyed. All the things you describe in your article are aspects of Cyborg that came from his run in the Teen Titans and belong there, not with the Justice League.

Cyborg's description:

Secret/Public Identity: Victor Stone

Profession: Adventurer; Ex-Football Player

Abilities: Plugged into every computer on Earth. Sonic Cannon. Enhanced speed and strength. Teleportation. Flight.

Cyborg is the ultimate combination between man and machine, but his creation came from a tragic accident. Victor Stone was a gifted football player who had trouble connecting with his scientist father. While visiting his father's workplace at S.T.A.R. Labs, an experiment went horribly wrong and destroyed much of Vic's body. Desperate to save his son, Vic's father used several experimental and extraterrestrial technologies that turned Vic into Cyborg. Now Vic is plugged into every computer in the world and is a digital and physical tank. Cyborg's communication grid makes him the heart of the Justice League.

Do you see high school, teen, or Teen Titans anywhere in there? No, because those things are not essential to his character.

P.S. You don't need to be part of the teen titans or to be a teenager to develop as a character. Hal Jordan grew up in Secret Origin, Superman grew up in Birthright, and Batman grew up in year one. Vic can still grow into a more mature, heroic person, which is clearly where his character arc in Justice League is headed.

That's a recent description of Cyborg a la New 52. All of what you've described still comes under Victor's time in the Teen Titans. His relationship with the other Teen Titans and friendships he formed there far outweighs what his time on the Justice League has been like. You're keen on the idea of Cyborg being a founding member but fail to mention Johns' past failures with Cyborg. He's basically the League chaffauer thanks to his Boom Tube technology, his role as tech support could have easily been filled in by Batman, Superman or Martian Manhunter if he were still a founding member. And all Vic does is go on League missions, go to the Red Room for tech upgrades, watch films or read in the Watchtower and occasionally help Batman. Yeah this is great mature character development for Vic (not) It pales in comparison to Wolfman's superior run on Teen Titans that explored every facet of Vic's life. If JL is anything to go by, Victor Stone is a very poor fit into the Justice League.

@Lvenger said:

@Superdork said:

@Lvenger said:

@Superdork said:

@Lvenger:

--Mike Carlin: You need to have a computer guy in the Justice League, so it's a real natural progression. It's not something that's shoehorned in or nailed on or taped into place or held by band-aids. He belongs.

http://www.comicvine.com/cyborg/29-2388/transcript-for-cyborg-his-time-has-come/92-743488/

Cyborg's place in the DC Universe has been defined by the Teen Titans, not the Justice League. His character development, supporting cast, problems and personality all stemmed from Wolfman's Teen Titans run. They do not fit into the general idea of the Justice League, that being a team of the World's Greatest Heroes coming together to defend humanity from big threats. That's not where Cyborg belongs. And if the rumours of Cyborg being in the Justice League film after a meagre few pre new 52 appearences as a member followed by one poorly done year as a League member in the New 52, I shall be justly annoyed. All the things you describe in your article are aspects of Cyborg that came from his run in the Teen Titans and belong there, not with the Justice League.

Cyborg's description:

Secret/Public Identity: Victor Stone

Profession: Adventurer; Ex-Football Player

Abilities: Plugged into every computer on Earth. Sonic Cannon. Enhanced speed and strength. Teleportation. Flight.

Cyborg is the ultimate combination between man and machine, but his creation came from a tragic accident. Victor Stone was a gifted football player who had trouble connecting with his scientist father. While visiting his father's workplace at S.T.A.R. Labs, an experiment went horribly wrong and destroyed much of Vic's body. Desperate to save his son, Vic's father used several experimental and extraterrestrial technologies that turned Vic into Cyborg. Now Vic is plugged into every computer in the world and is a digital and physical tank. Cyborg's communication grid makes him the heart of the Justice League.

Do you see high school, teen, or Teen Titans anywhere in there? No, because those things are not essential to his character.

P.S. You don't need to be part of the teen titans or to be a teenager to develop as a character. Hal Jordan grew up in Secret Origin, Superman grew up in Birthright, and Batman grew up in year one. Vic can still grow into a more mature, heroic person, which is clearly where his character arc in Justice League is headed.

That's a recent description of Cyborg a la New 52. All of what you've described still comes under Victor's time in the Teen Titans. His relationship with the other Teen Titans and friendships he formed there far outweighs what his time on the Justice League has been like. You're keen on the idea of Cyborg being a founding member but fail to mention Johns' past failures with Cyborg. He's basically the League chaffauer thanks to his Boom Tube technology, his role as tech support could have easily been filled in by Batman, Superman or Martian Manhunter if he were still a founding member. And all Vic does is go on League missions, go to the Red Room for tech upgrades, watch films or read in the Watchtower and occasionally help Batman. Yeah this is great mature character development for Vic (not) It pales in comparison to Wolfman's superior run on Teen Titans that explored every facet of Vic's life. If JL is anything to go by, Victor Stone is a very poor fit into the Justice League.

Obviously Cyborg is being set up to develop past this point in his life--similar to his start on Teen Titans. Sorry his character development is not happening as fast as you would like it to. He is the only member without an ongoing series, so his development was bound to be slow. The first arc was about Cyborg and the Justice League. The second and third arcs were about Wonder Woman. The current arc is about Aquaman. The next one will be about Cyborg. Be patient. Also, Cyborg in post Crisis had thirty years of development and he did not have a big fan base. This one has been around for two and his fanbase is now bigger and more active. In another thirty years, he will be one of the biggest icons in the DCU.

@lilben42 said:

@Misterwizz: What are you talking about? Dc has only made 8 movies

Superman Returns was good but had a bad villain

Watchmen was good

Green Lantern sucked

Jonah Hex sucked

Batman trilogy great

V for vendetta good

Catwoman sucked

3 bad movies....... Yeah

the only good live action movies they've made are the nolan batman trilogy, the first burton one, and watchmen. DC should just stick to their animated stuff, its always gold.

My personal preference would be to do Tower of Babel with Ra's al Ghul as the villain and the following Justice League lineup:

1. Superman

2. Batman

3. Wonder Woman

4. Green Lantern (Jennie Lynn-Hayden)

5. Flash (Linda Park)

6. Aquaman

7. Martian Manhunter

@DH69: V for Vendetta was great. Superman Returns was okay but Lex Luthor was a horrible villain.

@lilben42 said:

@Misterwizz: What are you talking about? Dc has only made 8 movies

Superman Returns was good but had a bad villain

Watchmen was good

Green Lantern sucked

Jonah Hex sucked

Batman trilogy great

V for vendetta good

Catwoman sucked

3 bad movies....... Yeah

the only good live action movies they've made are the nolan batman trilogy, the first burton one, and watchmen. DC should just stick to their animated stuff, its always gold.

@sharingan_eyes: Exactly! And people Warner Bros has spent alot of time on this decision. I don't think they would take a risk failing this movie.

@sharingan_eyes said:

@DH69 said:

@lilben42 said:

@Misterwizz: What are you talking about? Dc has only made 8 movies

Superman Returns was good but had a bad villain

Watchmen was good

Green Lantern sucked

Jonah Hex sucked

Batman trilogy great

V for vendetta good

Catwoman sucked

3 bad movies....... Yeah

the only good live action movies they've made are the nolan batman trilogy, the first burton one, and watchmen. DC should just stick to their animated stuff, its always gold.

Honestly, has Marvel done any better? The only truly great movies Marvel has made was the first Iron Man, Avengers, and the first two Spider-Man films by Raimi, everything else has been either mediocre, or typical action/popcorn flicks. All of the Avengers tie ins (with the exception of Iron Man) were "meh'' not bad, but not fantastic, They've also made A LOT of crap, Ang Lee's Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, both Fantastic Four movies, Every X men movie that wasn't "X2" Meanwhile, DC, may not have as many movie productions, but they do have some gems. As you said, Nolan's Batman Trilogy, Burton's first film, Watchmen, the first two Superman films. Just because Marvel has made MORE live action films, doesn't mean their's are better, cause in my opinion The Dark Knight>Anything Marvel has made, yes, including Avengers.

never actually defended marvels collection in my statement, captain america was made too PG friendly, i rolled my eyes at the lack of actual nazis in a world war 2 flick, and the energy rifles and super machines that only appeared in that and avengers made me roll my eyes, Iron man 2 was a joke, cant state how much i hated earth and its residents in Thor the forced romance made me groan (especially since i cant stand natalie portman), and as for the rest...yeah all garbage dont even get me started.

But all the avenger tie ins were considered to be success', all DC's got goin for for JLA is the dark knight trilogy with the rest of the world wishing they could repress the memories of green lantern and the superman movies (been over 30 years and they still cant make a man in a cape floating in mid air look incredibly lame)

@TheCheeseStabber said:

@sentryman555: @spetsnaz_gru: I was thinking of The Avengers but those work to

Yes, the plot sound like this, Thanos(Darkseid) get the cosmic cube(mother box) and then shit just gets too real.

@josai21 said:

Personally, I say DC should scrap the Justice League idea all together. They are going to come across as a greedy copy-cat and will lose a lot of potential viewers if they are trying to do something similar to Marvel. My suggestion: Target a "different" audience with you movies. Instead of a Justice League movie...do a Teen Titans film. Its already been shown how successful the stories of Teen Heroes can be with the animated TT series as well as Young Justice. Take a risk DC and go with the Teen heroes as opposed to your big names. You are just going to confuse people considering Marvel is doing the same thing and Nolan's batman will cause confusion without Bale. Thats my opinion at least.

@Reignmaker said:

I know a lot of comics readers get excited over this alternate dimension stuff, but I think a general audience would think it's stupid if the movie tries to go all Silver-Age on everything. If WB tries to treat its live-action movie the same as a DC Animated direct-to-DVD offering, this movie will bomb and bomb hard. My opinion: Movies aren't comic books. I don't want to see Wolverine in yellow spandex or faithful costume adaptions which just don't look good in real life. I don't want to be bombbarded with campy one-liners. I don't want something that comes across as a Superhero version of Clash of the Titans (heavy on the CG, light on the characterization and acting). In short, what I often read on a weekly basis isn't what I want to see on-screen. Green Lantern ignored these lessons and was an embarrassment with the general public. People often talk about how great Marvel movies are, but they've made at least as many crappy flicks as they have good. And none are more crappy when they forget to develop a real story for people who haven't grown up on comic books. I like the real-world approach that Man of Steel seems to be taking. Time will tell whether its a success, but I think it will be a hit with both comic fans and casual viewers. Here's hoping WB builds on this approach and doesn't fling it all out the window in an attempt to be like Marvel. More likely than not, the Marvel they'll achieve is the 3rd X-Men movie.

Saddly people wants DC to be Marvel, because that worked, people wants this even to the point it shows many people dont know that DC is in not Marvel and that work under other ideas, Man of Steel targets people who wants a more mature story and want a new vision of Superman, saddly since Marvel has got so overrated with his movies, they had never failed and people go insane about them, is hard to WB dont try to be Marvel, since many people go an overrate Marvel so hard and dont care if the movie sucks, they see it because is Marvel.

Even when Joss Wheddom said, that DC need to be retold on the big screen, because their character dont follow the same logic that the Marvel ones, even when the guy they try to copy, said that if they try that this movie is going to fail, they will try it, because no one stops them, the only way WB will stop is, if Marvel movie bombs.

Look at the fact, they will make a movie with characters people dont know, i mean Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman needs a movie to explain to people who this guys are and why they do things.

Superman and Batman are the only ones that could jump into this movie without the need of their own movies, because everybody know who they are and why they do the things they do.

To be honest i think DC should think about Making a Batman TV show, link him to Arrow and that both shows introduce you to character like Zatana, Wonder Woman, Flash and the rest.

Heck they could even forget this and make a World Finest movie first, then explain that Batman and Superman decide to find the other members to make a team to save the earth when things go wrong.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@TheCheeseStabber said:

Look at the fact, they will make a movie with characters people dont know, i mean Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman needs a movie to explain to people who this guys are and why they do things.

I actually don't agree with this part. Green Lantern has a movie, yes it was bad but it explained who he is. Aquaman and Wonder Woman are pretty much born with there powers. Wonder Woman grew up among the amazons and when the world was in trouble she decided to go leave and help. Thats not that hard of an explanation. and Aquaman is King of Atlantis come to help in Earth's hour of need. Granted both can be explored a lot further but for the JL movie I don't think you need to go too much into detail. Flash was caught in a lightning bolt accident that gave him his powers. They can show his origin in the movie or just have him show up and explain it in a later film. I think you underestimate how much people know. Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Flash are household names. Even if people don't know they're complete origin story I don't think they need a whole movie first to tell the audience about them.

@Multiverse:

Female flash and GL? Why?

@sharingan_eyes said:

Honestly, has Marvel done any better?

Err, yes. While not every Marvel film was a block buster, they all captured the spirit of the comics and characters amazingly. Superman Returns and Green Lantern were embarrassments, Nolan's movies had nothing to do with the comics and they haven't even made a Flash or Wonder Woman movie.

Also, the other films you list, FF, X-Men, Punisher etc, were not made by Marvel.

@sentryman555: If i dont know anything about them, why i should care about them?

Hawkeye and Black Widow are the biggest examples, they feel like if they had no reason to be in the Avengers, not only that, the movie need to work in Black Widow real hard to make you belive she was an Avenger, they failed with Hawkeye because they had no time for the guy.

This better should be a 8 hour movie, because they will need to do character development in every single scene of the team members.

This would work, if it was the first movie, no Superman movie or other movies, because they can work backwards, but they have to work with a Superman you will know before the rest of the team, then you will care about Superman way more that the other guys that will feel they are i no way complete characters.

The Justice League movie should make lots of money if they focus on Batman and the other members can be the cheering squad.

@DeathpooltheT1000: Again I'm not saying they shouldn't explain the characters at all, just they don't need their own individual movies before the JL movie.

A good example is I have a friend that watched the avengers without seeing captain america. He's not into comics so all he knew was that cap. was in world war 2 and frozen till the avengers happened. He still loved captain america's character in avengers because of how naive cap. was to the world. You don't have to explain every little bit of origin story for characters as long as the character development is good.

Edit: I would also like to add that he did see Iron-man, both movies and still like captain america better.

@sentryman555: So one person liked a character that he didnt knew, so that means everybody will do the same?

The Captain America movie had 0 character development, lets face it, it was a pretty dull movie too and you could just not watch the movie, if you do the same thing to Thor you would had problem to understand Thor and Loki, Hulk had the advantage of having a tv series and 2 movies, so everybody knows the guy.

Also everybody knows the Captain America as the biggest boy scout in the world and the biggest ice cream ever.

Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman and Green Lantern dont have that background, Aquaman is famous for being lame, Wonder Woman for being a Woman, Flash is famous for being annoying and Green Lantern is famous for the horrible Ryan Reynolds movie.

See what happened with Black Widow and Hawkeye, many people belive those guy sucked or that they where the biggest flaw of the movie, many people even talk shit about Johansson for the Black Widow thing.

You need to build this guys, so people belive they can work with Superman and Batman, if not people will ask themselves, why Superman and Batman are working with a bunch of lame guys, sure Man of Steel Superman isnt comic book Superman, but that dont change that Batman is smart and has amazing skills and that Superman is powerfull enough to stop an alien invasion by himself.

Also, the fact Man of Steel retold the DC universe it means, you need to rebuild the character so they can be part of this universe.

Heck even Smallville build all the character before making the JL and it was Smallville.

Many people only watch Avenger, but they liked the movie for the same reason they liked Transformers, CGI, confusing fight scenes and a bunch of explosions.

@DH69:

Dude DC doesn’t even make their adaptions, WB does. DC doesn’t even have its own real company. All of their properties are done by different people. Marvel actually has a plan, WB doesn’t.

@MuyJingo said:

Err, yes. While not every Marvel film was a block buster, they all captured the spirit of the comics and characters amazingly. Superman Returns and Green Lantern were embarrassments, Nolan's movies had nothing to do with the comics and they haven't even made a Flash or Wonder Woman movie.

That's kind of not true. You could definitely tell that both Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises were inspired by the comics. Begins was took a lot from Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli's Batman: Year One and DKR was influenced by both Knightfall and No Man's Land.

@Zeeguy91 said:

@MuyJingo said:

Err, yes. While not every Marvel film was a block buster, they all captured the spirit of the comics and characters amazingly. Superman Returns and Green Lantern were embarrassments, Nolan's movies had nothing to do with the comics and they haven't even made a Flash or Wonder Woman movie.

That's kind of not true. You could definitely tell that both Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises were inspired by the comics. Begins was took a lot from Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli's Batman: Year One and DKR was influenced by both Knightfall and No Man's Land.

Ehhhhhhhhh. It's more like they used a few ideas from some of the comics in the films. The nolan movies had the character of Batman completely, almost unforgivably wrong, and were certainly not intended to have a comicy feel the way the marvel movies do.

@DeathpooltheT1000: Lets be fair here. The complaints I heard about Black Widow was not that they didn't know her origin story or she didn't have her own movie. It was the way she was portrayed. Without a russian accent, and not nearly as badass as she is in the comics. Hawkeye, from what I heard, has been criticized for being mind controlled for almost the whole movie and then only really being shown shooting arrows. Not much character development there, even though he also had a cameo in Thor.

As far as having a background, their has been the justice league cartoon, super friends cartoon, smallville show, which as you said did feature the other characters, and the many special appearances on Superman and Batman animated series. Also the green lantern cartoon going on right now, along with the young justice cartoon. Mind you a lot of what I've mentioned is fairly recent, so I don't think it'd be a fair claim to try saying no one would remember those shows.

The problem, to me, with Hawkeye and Black Widow is they didn't make them seem on par with the rest of the avengers. This could be very easily rectified in the justice league movie. Just show everyone fighting on the same level. Like Superman taking out his own group of henchmen/bad guys whatever its gonna be. And show the rest taking out their own groups but in their own ways showing off their awesomeness. That was a problem in avengers I think. you had black widow do that cool stealing the hoverbike-thing trick but then you have Iron-man blowing up a giant space whale thing.

Rebuild the characters to work in this new world? Thats why I think it would be cool if most were introduced in the movie. Like in the New-52 justice league comic most of the superheroes were introduced to the world through that big fight with Darkseid.

Where are you getting that from? That many people that only watched avengers only liked it because of the explosions and CGI.

@DeathpooltheT1000 lol same old complaint that is a non issue. no one needs 10 movies before having a show together. x-men did it fine and justice league will too

@TheCheeseStabber said:

So a Box that lets the villain travel to different dimensions but only after a protagonists had tampered with it by accident...

Sound FAMILIAR?!

Which is why a Justice League movie (if it has Darkseid in it) should occur in either New Genesis and/or Apokolips.

As for the movie possibly having too many characters and scenery...well, it didn't stop LotR or Harry Potter. Warner Bros. might get a whole trilogy out of the New Gods stuff.

I wanna see Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Barry Allen) and Green Lantern (John Stewart) try and prevent Starro from controlling the minds of everyone on Earth, including their fellow leaguers.

@Lvenger said:

@trinity_stormbreaker: (pats self on back) My biggest concern with the JL movie isn't whether it'll be a box office success. The fact Superman and Batman will be on the screen together will sell tickets faster than hot cakes. I'm worried about WB rushing the final product so that it's not as good as it could be if more time were taken. As for plot, the guy who wrote Gangster Squad, a film which has scathing reviews is writing the film so you'll have to forgive my apprehension about the plot. Plus Cyborg is a titan. Always has been in my mind and the ridiculous notion of making him a Leaguer makes no sense whatsoever. And Darkseid could be given the New 52 treatment. Last thing I want to happen.

I definitely agree with you on the plot, and the idea of this guy writing it doesn't really fill me with too much hope, but I was mostly pointing out my frustration on many fans forceful opinions that a Justice League movie couldn't stand to the already released Avengers movie. My long-winded comment was more for blowing off a little bit of steam.

Your definitely right about Darkseid. Hopefully an appearance in a live action context will revitalize his entire character in a way that the New 52 was meant to (crossing fingers!). And I must say I definitely agree with you regarding Cyborg, though not quite as passionately. I've never really viewed him as anything but a Titan, him being one of my favourite Titans.

The fanboy in me craves a Titans/Teen Titans movie spawning from the success of a Justice League movie starring Robin, Wonder Girl, and Kid Flash (sidekicks to the members of the Justice League that appeared in the Justice League movie) with cameos by dozens of future Teen Titans in a well thought out and interesting plot [including Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy/Changeling, Raven, Aqualad, (Superboy?) and possibly many many others] in a script that stays true to the history and legacy left by the Teen Titans comic books, and hopefully leads to a starring role for Cyborg in a sequel.

But, one can only dream ....

I don't think individual movies for members of the Justice League is necessary. A lot of people may believe it is because of Marvel, but just because Marvel did it one way does not make that way the best one. There are always multiple ways to solve a problem or to make something good and worth watching. At the end of the day not all the Marvel films worked and Avengers ended up changing a few plot points from those films to fit in with that specific movie (for example, at the end of Thor credits Loki is on Earth, yet in the Avengers film he wasn't until arriving via the Tessaract; Black Widow's Russian origins were not hinted at at all in Iron Man 2 aside from her name but in Avengers they clearly stated her KGB past).

An effective advertisement campaign instead of movie trailers would be a much better move for the Justice League film. Instead of showing trailer after trailer and repeating the mistakes of showing too much of the film (again, a concept moviegoers have been complaining about for awhile now) Justice League could set a new precedent by creating "origin commercials" for each character. A montage if you will of who the character is, how they got their abilities, and how they've been active as a superhero. Live action would be the best way in order to highlight the people playing these roles but animation would not be a great turn-off because they can be done in a comic book style paneling and tone, with the live action coming at the very end as we see each character in their movie attire. You keep these commercials going for the months leading up to the movie and by the time the film comes out your audience is going to know each origin without needing a film, plus you've succeeded in keeping the majoritiy of the plot and scenes a secret so the audience comes in with greater anticipation.

As for the roster, it should depend on the villain.

If Darkseid is the villain as the rumors hold suggest, than I think the roster should be Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg. In this scenario it should be Batman that figures out the forces of Apokolips have been slowly invading Earth and taking over key positions around the globe (in a manner similar to the shapeshifters from the Justice League animated premiere) and assembles the team with Superman's aid (Batman would know who should be on the team, Superman goes to get them, and Green Lantern arrives on his own responding from Oa to an alien invasion on Earth) and Cyborg explains the M-Theory concept. This scenario can use a very big concept from DC: New Frontier at the start of the film and that is the idea of world governments being distrustful of the emerging metahumans, aliens and superheroes. Darkseid's agents help fuel this fear through the positions they infiltrate and that's what leaves the world open to a full invasion.

However, I don't think Darkseid should be the villain. Don't care about the Thanos connection. In the end he's not the first villain the team should fight because he is the team's most powerful villain. He'd definitely be better for a second or third film. Instead I would suggest two alternatives.

1) Stick with the DC: New Frontier concept of government mistrust and focus on the creation of Checkmate and the ultimate metahuman response, android units that are a combination Amazo and OMAC (Amazo in that the androids can adapt to their opponents but OMAC in appearance and a central controlling point). A bit "X-Men Sentinel", I know, but instead of a few big units we'ed have hundreds of human-size units. The start of the movie shows two paths. Batman is the one that learns of the android armada and its capabilities and when everything starts contacts Superman in pulling together the team based on dossiers Batman created. T.O. Morrow would be the main villain, the lead scientist at Checkmate who ends up going crazy, believing that the rising metahumans, aliens, and superheroes will cause the extinction of humanity and so ends up taking control of the androids and launching them across the globe. In this script I would use Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, and Cyborg. Cyborg is there because of the technological aspect of the story.

2) Go with a magical villain. This is the fastest and easiest way to diminish Superman's role in the film and force the Man of Steel to require the assistance of a team. Felix Faust or Circe would be the most obvious choice and you can use a story very similar to the animated series episodes "Paradise Lost" (from season 1 of Justice League) where instead of Themyscira being destroyed by an invader (in the episode it was Faust) it could instead be someone escaping from imprisonment on the island; which is why the villain could be Faust or Circe.....Circe possibly being a better option because female villains are very rare. She is intent on ruling the world by transforming all of humanity into her servants and quickly creates an army of beastimorphs to do her bidding. As they are creatures of magic they can hurt Superman which is why he would need the help of others to defeat Circe. This is also Wonder Woman's origin story in a way too, as this can be her first time leaving Themyscira as one of its sole survivors of Circe's escape and goes after her to avenge her lost sisters and re-imprison the sorceress. Could even have a scene towards the end of the movie where Circe succeeds in bringing Superman under a control spell, causing him to turn on the assembled heroes for a bit (since Circe herself isn't exactly a hand-to-hand type of opponent necessary for a big final battle). In this script I would use Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter. It is the smallest League roster, but I would not use Cyborg in this case because the story focuses on magic vice science. To counteract the smaller member count, I would modify Aquaman a bit by giving him more magical prowess through hydrokinesis and electrokinesis, very similar to the sorcery concept of Aqualad in Young Justice (but no tattoes) rather than full on sorcery like Garth, so that he and Wonder Woman are the magical components to the team rather than just more muscle (no, Wonder Woman would not use magic but her magical origin makes her immune to much of Circe's magic or various abilities of the beastimorphs).

Lastly, before I get too much hate by not bringing in Green Lantern to my two ideas, I want to state its just my belief that Green Lantern as a character should focus more on a space opera type story than basing the character on Earth and Earth-only conflicts and problems. He's got multiple solar systems to guard within sector 2814, he shouldn't be limited to a single planet for villains and conflict. That was really where I felt the Green Lantern movie failed the most; not leaving the movie in space and forcing the conflict to be on Earth simply to give audiences a love interest and common frame of reference. They should have gone big and left Parallax in space, heading for Oa (though I wish they hadn't used Parallax I'm just commenting within the film given) rather than going to Earth. Using Green Lantern in a film that doesn't involve an alien invasion I think continues that tradition of limiting the character's potential and why I would only use him if Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips are the threat (or Starro, or any other intergalactic enemy) and not a threat that is based solely on Earth.

Sorry for the double post but I forgot to add a change in regards to Martain Manhunter.

Would not give him superhuman physical abilties or Martian Vision. In no way make him a Superman clone with extra abilities. Instead the movie version should be very similar in powers to the way Young Justice has showcased Miss Martian. Focus exclusively on telekinesis (which gives him flight), telepathy, and molecular control (shapeshifting, phasing, greater durability/regeneration, and invisibility) with his main form of attack being telekinesis and his molecular control is for defense, recon, and/or moving around his opponents to the most ideal striking position. Should he have to fight in close quarters then his shapeshifting can be used to reform his hands into razor sharp blades or he can crush opponents like a snake, etc...

Make him a unique character so that he stands out to audiences when compared to Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash. This also gets rid of any confusion by general audiences of how a race of beings as powerful as four other heroes combined could have been wiped or, if we go the Young Justice route, why a race of beings so powerful would only live on Mars and why J'onn couldn't handle the threat by himself. Downgrading his overall power level makes him fit into a team movie much better than his New Earth counterpart, just as the Hulk was downgraded in the Marvel films from ungodly strength and power to a character still very powerful but not unstoppable.

Sadly... I just don't want to put hope into Superman. I don't like what he has become or what he stands for... ish. Long story short. I'm out.

@sentryman555: @sethysquare: You talk about Cartoons, tv shows and even the X Men movies.

Those thing dont work because in no way thos are a Team movie about character that most of the time dont work together movie, X Men movies are about a team of super heroes that the point is that they are a a super heroes team, they dont work by themselves and even if we see them, the first 3 are about Wolverine, First Class was about Charles Xavier and Magneto, the other guys are there to help them, but they have almost no character development at all, even if they had, it was because of those two.

Animated shows and animated movies work because the target is people that knows the charatcer or will watch long enough to know them, besides the JLA cartoon worked because of the Animates series of Superman and Batman build that show, even if the TAS Superman and Batman are not the JLA ones, is obvious that without those shows the JLA cartoon would had never happened.

Smallville buil the JL, but it build the thing during many episodes and let you know the characters and how they work in that universe, 52 re introduce you to character you knew, people in the mainstream know Aquaman as the loser guy from the Superfriends, they had no idea who the hell is Cyborg and people who do know, see him as a Teen Titan, Does the mainstream knows the Martian Manhunter?, Wonder Woman as Xena, not as Wonder Woman, Flash as that annoying guy that remembers them Spiderman, Green Lantern for the horrible movie with Ryan Reynolds(That was as bad as Captain America if you ask me).

You think as Nerd who know this characters, but people in the outside maybe know their names or their costumes, but dont know who they are.

They can make the movie, sure thya can, but it would need to follows the X Men formulas, being based or in just one character and the rest be there as support or be based in 2 characters and the other guy be there to help them.

Of course, that if you have Batman and Superman in a movie, no one willl care about Wonder Woman, so they should go First Class in the movie.

@DeathpooltheT1000: did not bothe to read the wall of text. you should read this article instead.

http://www.comicvine.com/news/why-a-justice-league-movie-should-come-out-first/145843/