Ledger Fans Demand That The Joker Retires

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Posted by gmanfromheck (42086 posts) - - Show Bio
Are You Serious?
Are You Serious?
A group of die hard Heath Ledger fans are demanding that the Joker be retired from all movies permanently.  How about that?

CNN reported about the website, The Ultimate Joker, that has started a petition to prevent the Joker from ever appearing in another movie.
"We think Heath deserves this honor," the site's team leader, Fer Barbella told CNN over the phone from Buenos Aires. "He is the ultimate Joker.  We are Batman fans from the comics and from the movies.  After we saw 'The Dark Knight' we thought this Joker was really the best. It deserves to be withdrawn from any Batman sequels."
They also compare it to the retiring of Michael Jordan's #23 jersey after he retired from the Chicago Bulls.  When they have 50,000 names, they plan on approaching Warner Bros. (they currently have 4461 supporters).

We already discussed here whether or not someone else could fill the Joker's shoes.  Yes, Ledger was great.  I think the idea of the Joker never appearing in another movie is over the top.  I just don't see it happening.  If Warner Bros. can find the right person and make money, there's no way they wouldn't use the Joker.  50,000 is a lot of people but how many people saw the movie?  How many would see another movie eventually with the Joker?  It's tragic what happened but as they say, the show must go on. 

And why stop at movies?  What about cartoons and video games.  Maybe we shouldn't see him in comics either because it'd be a reminder. 

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#1 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio

He was a good actor, but to ban the Joker from ever appearing in another batman movie is crazy! I mean eventually they will reboot the series in 10 or so years after this one ends and are they just going to leave the Joker out of it?

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#2 Edited by inferiorego (25515 posts) - - Show Bio

These people have stated on their website, and I quote, "Heath Ledger is the best Joker ever". Yes, it is an opinion, but the best Joker ever? First of all, we're forgetting Mark Hamill, which in my opinion is overall a better Joker. Anyway, they want no one else to have a shot at the roll... EVER? How do we now he is the BEST EVER, if no one else gets a shot? what a bunch of crybabies. Yeah, it was sad that he died, but don't try and get all high and mighty on WB because your sad, pathetic hearts were broken by some man whom you've never met. I'm willing to guess, a pretty good guess I might add, that not a single person who actually knew Ledger signed that stupid petition. That website makes me sick.... point blank

G-Man said:


And why stop at movies?  What about cartoons and video games.  Maybe we shouldn't see him in comics either because it'd be a reminder. 

It's sad that there are people who really feel like that. I'm sure there are some on that site.
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#3 Edited by vance_astro (89963 posts) - - Show Bio

Ledger has fans? I wonder if his performance wouldn't have been so blown out of proportion if he had actually lived to see the movie play out? It seems like people always blow someone's worth in their profession out of proportion when they are no longer alive (ahem Tupac & Biggie ahem).I saw the Dark Knight and honestly it wasn't that good.People act as if Ledger played Joker better than any part has ever been played ever.His performance wasn't that good and THAT movie wasn't THAT good as a whole.It is arguably the best Superhero movie of all time...but compared to the competition...that's not saying alot.To retire the Joker with Ledger would be absolutely ridiculous.

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#4 Posted by Nighthunter (29568 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that the Joker shouldn't appear in the Nolan franchise again because of the lack of Ledger, that being said claiming for Joker of all the villains to retire of any future movie is ridiculous, there will be future franchises and there will be new Batmans, why not a new Joker?

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#5 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"I think that the Joker shouldn't appear in the Nolan franchise again because of the lack of Ledger, that being said claiming for Joker of all the villains to retire of any future movie is ridiculous, there will be future franchises and there will be new Batmans, why not a new Joker?"
Agreed.
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#6 Edited by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio

I do not have a problem with the Joker coming back in any Batman franchise. Even in Nolan's series. They replaced Katie Holmes. Why not the Joker? I thought Ledger did a wonderful job and I would have loved it if he was alive to reprise the role but he is not. The Joker is a wonderful villain and should not be missed out on simply because an actor died. They didn't refuse to make anymore Superman movies when Christopher Reeve died or even when he broke his neck. Someone out there could do just as good a job doing the Joker as Ledger. In fact, I am convinced someone out there could do a better job.

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#7 Posted by vance_astro (89963 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"I do not have a problem with the Joker coming back in any Batman franchise. Even in Nolan's series. They replaced Katie Holmes. Why not the Joker? I thought Ledger did a wonderful job and I would have loved it if he was alive to reprise the role but he is not. The Joker is a wonderful villain and should not be missed out on simply because an actor died. They didn't refuse to make anymore Superman movies when Christopher Reeve died or even when he broke his neck. Someone out there could do just as good a job doing the Joker as Ledger. In fact, I am convinced someone out there could do a better job."
If DC decided not to make any more Superman movies because of Reeves I would have been pissed.Reeve's is a horrible actor.
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#8 Posted by King Saturn (220537 posts) - - Show Bio
I thought they werent going to use The Joker again in Nolan's Batman franchise ?
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#9 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"erik said:
"I do not have a problem with the Joker coming back in any Batman franchise. Even in Nolan's series. They replaced Katie Holmes. Why not the Joker? I thought Ledger did a wonderful job and I would have loved it if he was alive to reprise the role but he is not. The Joker is a wonderful villain and should not be missed out on simply because an actor died. They didn't refuse to make anymore Superman movies when Christopher Reeve died or even when he broke his neck. Someone out there could do just as good a job doing the Joker as Ledger. In fact, I am convinced someone out there could do a better job."
If DC decided not to make any more Superman movies because of Reeves I would have been pissed.Reeve's is a horrible actor."
Wow. That was daring. I always felt like he was not the greatest either. Especially when you watch his non-Superman movies. They are just so-so. I usually do not say it though because all the Reeve fans will swarm lol.
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#10 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"I thought they werent going to use The Joker again in Nolan's Batman franchise ?
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I do not think Nolan has any intentions to do it. But I do not think it should be because of Ledger. If he does not use Joker, that is fine. But I hope he wont because he wants to do other things, not because of Ledger's death.
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#11 Posted by vance_astro (89963 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"Vance Astro said:
"erik said:
"I do not have a problem with the Joker coming back in any Batman franchise. Even in Nolan's series. They replaced Katie Holmes. Why not the Joker? I thought Ledger did a wonderful job and I would have loved it if he was alive to reprise the role but he is not. The Joker is a wonderful villain and should not be missed out on simply because an actor died. They didn't refuse to make anymore Superman movies when Christopher Reeve died or even when he broke his neck. Someone out there could do just as good a job doing the Joker as Ledger. In fact, I am convinced someone out there could do a better job."
If DC decided not to make any more Superman movies because of Reeves I would have been pissed.Reeve's is a horrible actor."
Wow. That was daring. I always felt like he was not the greatest either. Especially when you watch his non-Superman movies. They are just so-so. I usually do not say it though because all the Reeve fans will swarm lol."
He definitely had the look down...but the dialogue made me want to spit up.
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#12 Posted by Hawk (16130 posts) - - Show Bio

This is just stupid. Yes Heath did a great job, yes it was super unexpected and it is tragic that he died......but he is NOT the joker. It was a part he played. If Christian Bale died would we cry no more Batman. Chris Reeves is dead......but yet Superman goes on. Gene Wilder IS the best Willy Wonka ever yet we let Johnny Deep have a shot.

So they are telling me that if Johnny "Creepy ass" Deep wanted to play the Joker....they wouldn't be for that? Heath has had two good roles in his whole career, I don't see them saying no one else should play a gay cowboy. 

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#13 Posted by Decept-O (8096 posts) - - Show Bio

Much ado about nothing.  You can't have Peanut Butter without the Jelly, and until  Warner Bros./DC decides otherwise, you can't have Batman without the Joker. 

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#14 Posted by inferiorego (25515 posts) - - Show Bio
Decept-O said:
"Much ado about nothing.  You can't have Peanut Butter without the Jelly, and until  Warner Bros./DC decides otherwise, you can't have Batman without the Joker. "
Well put
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#15 Posted by Sovereign Son (1816 posts) - - Show Bio
Hawk said:
"This is just stupid. Yes Heath did a great job, yes it was super unexpected and it is tragic that he died......but he is NOT the joker. It was a part he played. If Christian Bale died would we cry no more Batman. Chris Reeves is dead......but yet Superman goes on. Gene Wilder IS the best Willy Wonka ever yet we let Johnny Deep have a shot.

So they are telling me that if Johnny "Creepy ass" Deep wanted to play the Joker....they wouldn't be for that? Heath has had two good roles in his whole career, I don't see them saying no one else should play a gay cowboy. "
Could not have said it better!
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#16 Posted by Hawk (16130 posts) - - Show Bio
Sovereign Son said:
"Hawk said:
"This is just stupid. Yes Heath did a great job, yes it was super unexpected and it is tragic that he died......but he is NOT the joker. It was a part he played. If Christian Bale died would we cry no more Batman. Chris Reeves is dead......but yet Superman goes on. Gene Wilder IS the best Willy Wonka ever yet we let Johnny Deep have a shot.

So they are telling me that if Johnny "Creepy ass" Deep wanted to play the Joker....they wouldn't be for that? Heath has had two good roles in his whole career, I don't see them saying no one else should play a gay cowboy. "
Could not have said it better!"
Well of course YOU couldn't LMAO
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#17 Posted by Slinger (5779 posts) - - Show Bio
Decept-O said:
"Much ado about nothing.  You can't have Peanut Butter without the Jelly, and until  Warner Bros./DC decides otherwise, you can't have Batman without the Joker. "
What about Reese's Cups?
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#18 Posted by .Mistress Redhead. (26678 posts) - - Show Bio
Sovereign Son said:
"Hawk said:
"This is just stupid. Yes Heath did a great job, yes it was super unexpected and it is tragic that he died......but he is NOT the joker. It was a part he played. If Christian Bale died would we cry no more Batman. Chris Reeves is dead......but yet Superman goes on. Gene Wilder IS the best Willy Wonka ever yet we let Johnny Deep have a shot.

So they are telling me that if Johnny "Creepy ass" Deep wanted to play the Joker....they wouldn't be for that? Heath has had two good roles in his whole career, I don't see them saying no one else should play a gay cowboy. "
Could not have said it better!"
I third that notion... in fact im slightly creeped out that thats exactly what i was going to say....


Fans kill it sometimes they really do... and since when do fans have any power of studios? anyone else wondering where their vote towards Firefly coming back on tv went?....
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#19 Posted by Crimson Orchid (5838 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Joker should be retired from movies forever, but for the rest of this movie series with this cast, I think it would be best.  I really doubt Ledger's performance could be topped.

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#20 Posted by reaper2923 (2863 posts) - - Show Bio

i think they should stop pretending, i mean i bet they never even knew batman was a comic character until they say that movie. Yes the movie was good, but it wasn't only heath ledger. Also did they even read comics before that movie came out, i bet the answer is no. They are just macking up stupid crap.

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#21 Posted by zero edge (3991 posts) - - Show Bio

lol what a joke

please, Ledger doesn't own the Joker, no matter how good he was. Comparing it to Jordan's number retiring makes this even more of a joke. Retiring numbers is a part of all sports.

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#22 Posted by Deo Wade (431 posts) - - Show Bio

For those die hard fans of Ledger I'd like to quote Dick Cheney when he was a Wal-Mart Greeter "Go F**k Yourself". He did a great job and all, but there is no Batman without The Joker.

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#23 Posted by Nyogtha (356 posts) - - Show Bio

They cast The Crow several more times after Lee died. Granted, it's not as big a movie or character, but just because your bleeding hearts cry over his death, you're going to try and ruin it for the rest of everyone else? Forget it, it'll never happen.

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#24 Posted by Shadow Huntress (1475 posts) - - Show Bio

It does seem a little extreme. But, if they ever find a new Joker for any more Batman sequels, than he'll definitely have some major shoes to fill. I don't know what to say about this really. Hmmm

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#25 Posted by The Wind-Stalker (67 posts) - - Show Bio

this is how i see it there is no batman without a joker, like what would spiderman be without the green goblin think about it

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#26 Posted by The Hunter (7945 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry.....Wait, no I'm not, lol.... but that's just idiotic.  Sure, the guy did a great job as the Joker; but as G~Man said, "the show must go on."  Seriously, those fans are getting a little too die-hard in my opinion.   If they want to make little shrines in their homes and pray to their little HL statues, then let 'em.  More power to 'em.  But come on.... doing something that would effect the rest of us is just.... dumb.

(DISCLAIMER:  I apologize if I have offended anyone who actually has a shrine of Ledger and/or who prays to a Heath Ledger statue.)

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#27 Posted by The Hunter (7945 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Ledger has fans? I wonder if his performance wouldn't have been so blown out of proportion if he had actually lived to see the movie play out? It seems like people always blow someone's worth in their profession out of proportion when they are no longer alive (ahem Tupac & Biggie ahem).I saw the Dark Knight and honestly it wasn't that good.People act as if Ledger played Joker better than any part has ever been played ever.His performance wasn't that good and THAT movie wasn't THAT good as a whole.It is arguably the best Superhero movie of all time...but compared to the competition...that's not saying alot.To retire the Joker with Ledger would be absolutely ridiculous."
It's like saying no one could play Superman after Christopher Reeve died.  And look, they had Brandon Routh do the role.  I mean.... come on, lol.
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#28 Posted by Lady Tlieso (9935 posts) - - Show Bio

Exactly!!! I mean yes he did a really good job, but to say that such an important character should never be used again is just dumb. Sounds like a bunch of Heath fan girls/boys & not batman/comic fans.

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#29 Posted by organiczulu (22 posts) - - Show Bio
Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:
"G-Man said:
"
Are You Serious?
Are You Serious?
A group of die hard Heath Ledger fans are demanding that the Joker be retired from all movies permanently.  How about that?


"
Dumb."

agreed.

the joker is bigger than heath ledger. sorry.
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#30 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio
Hawk said:
"This is just stupid. Yes Heath did a great job, yes it was super unexpected and it is tragic that he died......but he is NOT the joker. It was a part he played. If Christian Bale died would we cry no more Batman. Chris Reeves is dead......but yet Superman goes on. Gene Wilder IS the best Willy Wonka ever yet we let Johnny Deep have a shot.

So they are telling me that if Johnny "Creepy ass" Deep wanted to play the Joker....they wouldn't be for that? Heath has had two good roles in his whole career, I don't see them saying no one else should play a gay cowboy. "
"Johnny Depp"
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#31 Posted by G'bandit (13664 posts) - - Show Bio

Is true he was a incredibly Joker an incredible actor and I actually don't see many people that can top his performance.

But that's asking for too much, I think. I mean, the Joker is the main bad guy of Batsy! If they reboot the movies ten years later Joker must, hell! He is obligated by Batman fan contract, he is OBLIGE! to freaking return!!!!!!!!

Besides is not the same as a number in Basketball, We got infinite numbers, but only one bad guy that can make Batsy laugh in middle of a crisis XD :P (The killing joke)

By the way do they really want Heath to be remember just by the Joker? He had other roles! I know Joker was one of his biggest, but, Do they really want to remember him as a anarchist psychopath with make up? He had other plays!

 I doubt his fans want to retire Ennis Del Mar just because he played it.

RIP

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#32 Edited by Dr. ? man (152 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how these people can refer to themselves as fans of the Joker. If you're a fan of any character, you want to see them continue to prosper for the future. Had Heath Ledger lived, I doubt he would've wanted to continue playing the Joker over and over and over again and I doubt he would've wanted the character to retire when he retired because if you look back at some of his interviews, he had respect for other actors who played the role and an understanding of why the villain is so vital to the Batman universe. When the Joker was created, he was spared consistently from death because he was a great character not because he would be played by a good actor.

These "fans" need to understand that the Joker is a fictional character who endured the test of time, he will never be defined by an actor because he is essentially too versatile. Cesar Romero had his own spin on the Joker. Jack Nicholson had his own spin on the Joker. Mark Hamill had his own spin on the Joker. Heath Ledger had his own spin on the Joker and someday, someone else will have their own spin on the Joker. The Joker legacy will live on because it's always been larger than life.

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#33 Posted by Hawk (16130 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Hawk said:
"This is just stupid. Yes Heath did a great job, yes it was super unexpected and it is tragic that he died......but he is NOT the joker. It was a part he played. If Christian Bale died would we cry no more Batman. Chris Reeves is dead......but yet Superman goes on. Gene Wilder IS the best Willy Wonka ever yet we let Johnny Deep have a shot.

So they are telling me that if Johnny "Creepy ass" Deep wanted to play the Joker....they wouldn't be for that? Heath has had two good roles in his whole career, I don't see them saying no one else should play a gay cowboy. "
"Johnny Depp""
LMAO!
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#34 Edited by Paint (22 posts) - - Show Bio

No way are they going to get 50,00 petitioners. And even if they did, no way would Warner Bros agree. Or DC for that matter. The Joker is a big part of the Batman world, to remove him from the films would probably spark an uproar in DC fans, of which there are definatly more than 50,000. Such a mistake could be very costly to their company, and it's well known how board members feel about a potential loss in consumers.

On another note, anyone notice that Eartha Kitt died at Christmas? Now she made quite a good Catwoman, yet, hark! Where are the cries for Catwoman to be stripped from our cinema screens? No where, because let's face it, this isn't about a character. This is about Heath Ledger. If he were still alive and they wanted to recast the Joker for whatever reason, there would be upcries yes, but that wouldn't stop the studios. And we'd all have to live with it, whether we like it or not. Personally, I look forward to seeing the next Joker. Yes he has some big shoes to fill, but let's face it.

Judging him will be half the fun.

Oh, and not to  be too judgemental on my own sex but, how many of those petitioners do you reckon were female?

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#35 Posted by Darth Balls (751 posts) - - Show Bio

WOW!!!

 i have to say i agree in the sense that they should wait a few years before returning the character but retiring the character from the big screen for good is unethical.true know ones played the joker like ledger but that's just being selfish .oh and it wouldn't be like taking away superman if reeves died because unlike this bad idea taking away the last superman movie would have save 2 and a half hour of my life.
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#36 Posted by UrmanitaRules (87 posts) - - Show Bio

Without Joker, there is no Batman

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#37 Posted by vance_astro (89963 posts) - - Show Bio
UrmanitaRules said:
"Without Joker, there is no Batman"
Other way around.
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#38 Posted by Blowout (222 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Heath Ledger's portrayal of the joker was the best acting I have ever seen in any comic book movie. Hands down, he was the most amazing, extraordinary, and committed person to ever play a part like this. I know who ever would play joker in the next film (if they included joker again) would have to perform to the most ridiculous of expectations. That being said, it doesn't mean you can just retire the character. Who ever would play Joker should know the expectations of the audience, and if they are willing to try anyways, we should give them the chance.

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#39 Posted by LordAndrew (154 posts) - - Show Bio

It amazes me that people could be so stupid. Obviously these Ledger fans are not Batman or Joker fans, or fans of logic for that matter.

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#40 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18068 posts) - - Show Bio

I wasn't a fan of the first Dark Knight.  I thought it was long though.....

Anywho, these people will never have their petition granted.  If it were easy as starting a petition, I would've made one saying "Save superheroines  by keeping Halle Berry, Jessica Alba, and Jennifer Garner away from them!"...........I'd get at least 3,000.  But anywho, "Brokeback Mountain"...I have spoken.

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#41 Posted by fanbla72 (39 posts) - - Show Bio

retire!?!

f**k that shit!!

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#42 Posted by likalaruku (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not just incredibly stupid, but it's insulting. Thank goodness Warner Brothers holds online petitions with the same low reguard as an amature's mailed-in scripts.

Ledger wasn't even that good anyway. Perhaps if Mark Hamil had died & sparked this idiocracy, I wouldn't be floating between ammused & pissed right now.

Ooh, perhaps while they're at it, they can get the Crow banned in honor of Brandon Lee, Superman banned in honor of George Reeves, & so on.

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#43 Posted by gmanfromheck (42086 posts) - - Show Bio

Exactly.  Brandon Lee was great (in my opinion).  It sucked what happened.  They didn't waste too much time before making another movie (or 2?) and the tv show.  I never watched the others.  I was a fan of Brandon Lee (Rapid Fire was so bad but fun to watch) and I just didn't care to see the other versions.  I never thought they should retire the character since it was a great comic (it's just too bad the movies weren't as great as the comic).

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#44 Posted by Secret Turchin Man (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
Blowout said:
"I thought Heath Ledger's portrayal of the joker was the best acting I have ever seen in any comic book movie. Hands down, he was the most amazing, extraordinary, and committed person to ever play a part like this. I know who ever would play joker in the next film (if they included joker again) would have to perform to the most ridiculous of expectations. That being said, it doesn't mean you can just retire the character. Who ever would play Joker should know the expectations of the audience, and if they are willing to try anyways, we should give them the chance."

I thought Heath was scary good in the role. But retire the Joker? That just seems silly to me.
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#45 Posted by vance_astro (89963 posts) - - Show Bio
Blowout said:
"I thought Heath Ledger's portrayal of the joker was the best acting I have ever seen in any comic book movie. Hands down.
Seeing as how the acting in comic movies overall has been terrible since the beginning....this doesn't really say alot about Heath's performance.
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#46 Posted by lordraiden (9348 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"erik said:
"I do not have a problem with the Joker coming back in any Batman franchise. Even in Nolan's series. They replaced Katie Holmes. Why not the Joker? I thought Ledger did a wonderful job and I would have loved it if he was alive to reprise the role but he is not. The Joker is a wonderful villain and should not be missed out on simply because an actor died. They didn't refuse to make anymore Superman movies when Christopher Reeve died or even when he broke his neck. Someone out there could do just as good a job doing the Joker as Ledger. In fact, I am convinced someone out there could do a better job."
If DC decided not to make any more Superman movies because of Reeves I would have been pissed.Reeve's is a horrible actor."

Horrible actor??? He made me and millions of others believe years ago before all this CGI came out that a man can fly and Superman can be brought to the big screen and be done well enough that everyone loved it and thought it was awsome! .
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#47 Posted by Surreal SaDiablo (1641 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"Vance Astro said:
"erik said:
"I do not have a problem with the Joker coming back in any Batman franchise. Even in Nolan's series. They replaced Katie Holmes. Why not the Joker? I thought Ledger did a wonderful job and I would have loved it if he was alive to reprise the role but he is not. The Joker is a wonderful villain and should not be missed out on simply because an actor died. They didn't refuse to make anymore Superman movies when Christopher Reeve died or even when he broke his neck. Someone out there could do just as good a job doing the Joker as Ledger. In fact, I am convinced someone out there could do a better job."
If DC decided not to make any more Superman movies because of Reeves I would have been pissed.Reeve's is a horrible actor."
Wow. That was daring. I always felt like he was not the greatest either. Especially when you watch his non-Superman movies. They are just so-so. I usually do not say it though because all the Reeve fans will swarm lol."
LOL that they will... sad too cause he was kinda average, but then Supes is kinda average. The films were not bad for their time, nothing special, but being the first of the Superman films there was not a great deal they could go on.

Shadow Huntress said:
"It does seem a little extreme. But, if they ever find a new Joker for any more Batman sequels, than he'll definitely have some major shoes to fill. I don't know what to say about this really. Hmmm"
Agreed, that is where the trouble will come in, we will all want someone to do as good a job if not better than what Heath did
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#48 Edited by Copy (8364 posts) - - Show Bio

What...... the...... hell? Morons.

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#49 Posted by XXXExtinctionXXX (23 posts) - - Show Bio

No. 

The Joker is not owned by Ledger fans. Yeah Ledger played a great Joker but it's the Joker. No one can truely uptain the insanity that he truely is. 
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#50 Posted by Suigetsu (1727 posts) - - Show Bio

they should go and tell that to the olsen sisters.

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