@Billy Batson said:
@velle37 said:
@Billy Batson said:
No. Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner are more powerful.
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I disagree.
Don't Hal and Kyle have better feats?
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Kyle has the most extravagant feats of any GL because during his time, he was mandated to be depicted with a vivid imagination. (personally I think this is the way GL should be.written).
This being said I don't think Kyle would beat John, because I don't see Kyle matching John's will or expertise. Both are artistically gifted, but John has the added element of Marine corp training, and years of experience on Kyle. Despite Ron Marz off-handed attempt at making it seem like Kyle could beat John, a graphic artist bneating a marine/architect with a GL ring makes no sense. I've seen Merc's argument that Kyle's ring has no limits whatsoever and that;'s how he wins, but I have two scans sitting in my Yahoo, right now that will disprove that (possibly 3 scans. One of Ganthet warning Kyle about his limits. A second of Kyle remembering that John told him to be careful of his ring's limits. Can't remember the other one.)
Hal does not have more impressive feats than John post-crisis (In John and Hal's first fight, John nearly took out Hal with one construct punch, in their second fight John beat Hal), though Hal has pretty much ALL of the feats pre-crisis :P. Hal is the GL poster boy right now, but he does not have more impressive feats than Kyle or John. I've listed a few feats in the John VS Hal thread, but the majority of these things come down to the writer, and their knowledge and understanding of each character. Somehow fans think it makes sense for Professor Zoom or Barry to run around in a circle, creating and air pocket to incapacitate Hal (who is armed with the most powerful weapon in the universe, and automatic shielding) :/. But then at the universal level consider him the greatest GL of all time. No logic is applied to Hal's character. He's the greatest "just cuz." I'm not hearing it. Idiots can stay in la la land believing bull, I'll stick to intelligence and comprehension. Hal has willpower. Kyle has willpower and imagination. John has willpower, intelligence, and imagination (he used to display more creative constructs in his earlier days, now everything is centered on his marine sniper training, similarly Hal used to use boxing gloves, now he usually shoots construct jets [Air force possibly]. The constructs have become more "character conscious" I guess). Also oddly enough, both Kyle and Hal have been owned by Deathstroke (though the Kyle incident makes no sense to me, and I discredit it).
Personally I don't think any human should be considered the greatest, because that makes no sense. There are aliens with interstellar travel capabilites and civilizations billions of years older than human ones.
While people on the vine hate on Sodam Yat, he's an engineer (Like Alan Scott, and a step above an Architect), who rebuilt an alien starship from scratch on his home planet. Arisia and the other vets respect Sodam like one of their own, even though he's new, and Sodam used the Ion power to convert Nero's energy into green and burn out Nero's connection to Ion (to which Kyle said "Hell, I couldn't even do that."). Oh yea, and he's a Daxamite :).
Kreon is characterized as having a mind so fast that his constructs would flicker before you even knew something just happened.
Arkillo has gone toe to toe with Mongul (whose physical stats are above Superman's) without a ring. Translating this over to Kilowog taking Arkillo down with ease, plus the fact that Kilowog is a highly intelligent geneticist (and has even genetically cultured plants with his ring during the Rann-Thanagar War, so could most likely do the same to animal life. I do recall Kyle even augmenting himself with powers before as well).
Mogo is a planent whose psychic abilities are amplified to resonate through the entire universe and choose those who are fearless and honest (thus he already knows the loves, fears, intwentions, and potential of anyone he is aware of). He is also incredibly old and wise, able to generate completely believable hallucinations, and can exponentially increase his gravitational pull at will, not even mentioning the fact that he has a GL ring. The ideas of a planet > the ideas of a human.
Sinestro is a master strategist, Hal is dumb as a doorknob.
People also use the argument that Hal has the greatest willpower. I have never seen this stated. And even if it was, I'd just judo his willpower back at him (Kyle has done this to Grayven's Omega Beams) You'd better have some intelligence coming into battle, not just will. Sinestro has been shown to have greater willpower than Hal, and greater intelligence. No way Hal can beat him in a straight fight.
Using logic most alien species should be superior to humans. And Marines with master degrees in architecture don't lose to graphic artists and test pilots.
Using comic logic, reckless test pilot pwns all.
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