" @Zoom: Yep that's right. But like I said...it comes down to what you like. He's in prison...*sigh*
 
 
that's pretty cool.
 
@daredevil21134: You haven't payed that much attention then. "

"Keep him as an anti-hero. "

" @Babs:    " The return of Jason Todd psychologically affected Batman and allowed him to develop as a character. He represents Batman's failures and became a much more interesting character after his death as Robin."Babs, I'm going to have to staunchly disagree. His death already accomplished that and in a much more effective way. He was already the symbol of Batman's failure in death, that was his great impact, his one accomplishment. We saw Batman downward spiral in the following arc which introduced Tim Drake, the best Robin IMO. And Clayface impersonating him in Hush handled how Bruce would react to seeing him again, and how the memory of that failure still haunts him. 

" @daredevil21134 said:

"@Zoom said:

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Hey "bro," people dislike your character so much that over five thousand of them called DC and paid a dollar so that he'd die.

"

over 20 years ago "

Yeah, before he was written by Winnick and the "writers" behind Countdown.  Now he's much better right? ;) "

fix

" I think some people are too hopped up on fanboy pills to bother reading the article! "

Him getting out of prison, changing his hairstyle to black with a white stripe and getting back into his biker Red Hood outfit or an improved one would be a good choice.

"Him getting out of prison, changing his hairstyle to black with a white stripe and getting back into his biker Red Hood outfit or an improved one would be a good choice. "

You already stated that you don't like him....my question is...why do you keep coming here?

I wish people could get off something that happened before most Jason Todd fans of today were born

" @daredevil21134:  Love the guy?...Nah, I just love a good debate, and where his name pops up one's sure to follow. I gotta say that you Jason Todd fans will ride to the ends of the earth for the guy. I commend and admire that kind of loyalty. You and I have danced this dance before in a Jason Todd thread, so as you said before I'm a Stewart fan, feel free to feel how you feel about that. lol "

dead stay dead.  at this point he is kinda like proto man or possibly the green ranger.  Which means little kids probably love him, but adults hate him. 
 
I don't mind him.  I didn't read the "Lost Years" series, I'm assuming it was ok.   
 
My question is he a bigger failure to bruce in life, death, or rebirth?

Blame Jim Starlin.

"in a way u have to feel sympathetic towards jason. he has all the characteristics of a tragic hero "

" @Zoom said:

" Jim Starlin....He even played up making Jason more bratty in order to make him more unlikeable."

Like I said, blame the writer not the character.

" @Zoom said: well both Damian and Jason happen to be my favorite Robins, they maybe be " overconfident, underachieving annoyances who are overshadowed by the more likeable Tim Drake"  but its because of their flaws they are better characters"

haha.

" @georgethecat:     It's not that I don't see your angle, folk because really I do. However, I do believe the lazarus pit thing and all the other emotional stuff was ALL READY dealt with by Bruce. I still don't see the necessity in bringing him back. I maintain my position that it was a badly conceived, badly executed copy cat move in order to generate sales. What did bringing him back do for Batman that didn't occur or couldn't have occured otherwise? And when he was alive he had emotions/feelings/questioned Bruce's ideals and methods therefore I can't buy that angle either. And as far as writers (mis)handling him had he not been resurrected goes, I can't say that I approve of the way he has been handled, especially by Judd Winnick. It's clear I've never been a fan of the character, but his resurrection and characterization thus far has ensured that I won't be anytime soon.    "

" @georgethecat:  See that logic could work either way, folk. At the time this caught mainstream media attention and many people were outraged because they thought their childhood Robin, Dick Grayson, had been killed. It's not a drastic leap to assume that some fans who had stopped keeping up with the title regularly were voting to keep who they thought was Dick Grayson alive. "

I wanted to kill off Robin as soon as I started writing Batman. The idea of taking a kid along to fight crime is ludicrous.

And, in an interview with  Adelaide Comics , he says he wanted to kill off Robin so badly that he pitched a story about making Robin die of AIDS.

At one point DC had this AIDS book they wanted to do.  They sent around memos to everybody saying “What character do you think we should, you know, have him get AIDS and do this dramatic thing” and they never ended up doing this project.  I kept sending them things saying “Oh, do Robin!  Do Robin!”

Poor misguided child. The Bat likes to corrupt the youth does he not?
I think it's high time Pedo Bat was put somewhere dark so the children
of Gotham, like poor poor delusional Jason can go onto to live full
murderous lives.
 

"@Zoom: I agree with most that you said about jason,but i disagree with some of the stuff you said about damian. As i recall damian stole the show along with bruce,i mean bruce stops joker,joker stops hurt,damian disarms the nuke,grayson ends up in the hospital for brain surgery. Damian showed fantastic character development both here and in red robin(great book) he gave great dynamic ,and has really evolved as a character unlike jason whos stuck. "

"@entropy_aegis said:

"@Zoom: I agree with most that you said about jason,but i disagree with some of the stuff you said about damian. As i recall damian stole the show along with bruce,i mean bruce stops joker,joker stops hurt,damian disarms the nuke,grayson ends up in the hospital for brain surgery. Damian showed fantastic character development both here and in red robin(great book) he gave great dynamic ,and has really evolved as a character unlike jason whos stuck. "

Understand that I'm only at the begining of Morrison's Batman and then I've got an issue of Krul's Teen Titans and that's all I've seen of Damien so in my mind, he's pretty well still a brat but I'm missing character development from his main book. "