I have but one thing to bring forward to the table. Both Ra's al Ghul and Timothy Drake are in the 7000's, whilst Jason Todd is number 96. 
 
This is a travesty. Both of these people would school Jason Todd in a one-on-one fight. 
And don't you bring up Tim vs Jason in Battle for the Cowl. The current Tim would wipe the floor with Jason.
Edit: After an extended debate with ReVamp, Entropy Aegis and especially Rabbit May Cry, I have retracted my statement that Tim could beat Jason in a hand-to-hand fight.

I have but one thing to bring forward to the table. Both Ra's al Ghul and Timothy Drake are in the 7000's, whilst Jason Todd is number 96. 
 
This is a travesty. Both of these people would school Jason Todd in a one-on-one fight. 
And don't you bring up Tim vs Jason in Battle for the Cowl. The current Tim would wipe the floor with Jason.

Don't pay attention the the power rankings. They don't really mean anything

Don't pay attention the the power rankings. They don't really mean anything

@Baddamdog said:

Don't pay attention the the power rankings. They don't really mean anything

This^

It's all based on popularity, not logic and it doesn't mean anything (which nobody ever seems to get) it's just for fun and everyone who can't handle that idea should ignore it (like I do).

I have but one thing to bring forward to the table. Both Ra's al Ghul and Timothy Drake are in the 7000's, whilst Jason Todd is number 96. 
 
This is a travesty. Both of these people would school Jason Todd in a one-on-one fight. 
And don't you bring up Tim vs Jason in Battle for the Cowl. The current Tim would wipe the floor with Jason.

Don't pay attention the the power rankings. They don't really mean anything

@Baddamdog said:

Don't pay attention the the power rankings. They don't really mean anything

Ah. Had no idea. I thought they were legit rankings. 
 
@daredevil21134: There's nothing for me to 'get over', as I'm not having a tantrum about anything. I'm simply stating that, realistically, Jason Todd is not that powerful.  Although, I'd love to hear your justification that Jason would beat Tim now; especially after how much Tim has grown and improved since Battle for the Cowl.

@Baddamdog said:

Don't pay attention the the power rankings. They don't really mean anything

Ah. Had no idea. I thought they were legit rankings. 
 
@daredevil21134: There's nothing for me to 'get over', as I'm not having a tantrum about anything. I'm simply stating that, realistically, Jason Todd is not that powerful.  Although, I'd love to hear your justification that Jason would beat Tim now; especially after how much Tim has grown and improved since Battle for the Cowl.

@Baddamdog said:

Don't pay attention the the power rankings. They don't really mean anything

Ah. Had no idea. I thought they were legit rankings. 
 
@daredevil21134: There's nothing for me to 'get over', as I'm not having a tantrum about anything. I'm simply stating that, realistically, Jason Todd is not that powerful.  Although, I'd love to hear your justification that Jason would beat Tim now; especially after how much Tim has grown and improved since Battle for the Cowl.

Tim is a far better fighter now than he was back then but not enough to take down jason but still alot better than when he was in battle for the cowl

@RainEffect: Like I said to Scott Lobdell, Jason kicks Tim's ass in a very one-sided fight.  Jason is stronger, faster, more agile, plans better (even on the fly), AND has more mastery over more fighting skills than Tim. Tim only has Jason on the detective stuff. That would only help him find Jason...but not beat him. So Jason is the better here. The fights shoudn't even be close.   Not to mention that Jason is willin' to kill...givin' him no limitation on what he can do in the fight.

I have but one thing to bring forward to the table. Both Ra's al Ghul and Timothy Drake are in the 7000's, whilst Jason Todd is number 96. 
 
This is a travesty. Both of these people would school Jason Todd in a one-on-one fight. 
And don't you bring up Tim vs Jason in Battle for the Cowl. The current Tim would wipe the floor with Jason.

@entropy_aegis: @noj: @daredevil21134: @Rabbit_May_Cry: @ReVamp: 
Okay, sorry for the delay guys, had a hectic twenty-four hours. 
 
Now, first things first, I want to let you all know that I don't hate Jason. I actually dig the whole 'taking Joker's old identity' to overcome his fears etc. This thread was not made in spite, but it was merely shock that two characters were exceptionally lower than he was. I also withdraw my statement that Tim could wipe the floor with Jason, but I still believe he can beat him.
 
Onto my discussion/debate: I'll address the questions you guys have been asking me in how Tim improved since Battle for the Cowl. It's my understanding that the entire Red Robin solo series occurs after Battle for the Cowl, if it doesn't, then my argument is entirely void. The whole Red Robin series was, firstly, a gauntlet for Tim to grow independently. Yes, he was independent when he was Robin, but this is the first instance where he's acting without Bruce or Dick around. He came into direct collision with Ra's al Ghul and his League. During this time, he strengthened in all forms; mental, physical and psychological. For instance, during his 'teaming' with Ra's Al Ghul, he took down seven of the League of Spiders, and that was after he recovered from intense wounding, single-handedly. I can't find anything in Jason Todd's history to suggest he's gone up against fighters of that level by himself. From what I know of Todd (which is actually quite little), he's only been a street-prowler. 
 
Secondly, Tim was able to thwart Ra's Al Ghul's ultimate plan to take control of Wayne Enterprises and eventually Gotham after Bruce's death. He managed to go toe-to-toe with Ra's, something I doubt Jason has ever done, and it ended in a stalemate (with Tim wounded, obviously) but Ra's congratulated Tim afterwards, thereby earning his respect. He outclassed Ra's in tactics and intelligence, and fought him to a stalemate in one on one fighting. May I also add that, due to his consistent exposure to Lazarus Pits, Ra's has heightened physical traits. 
 
Now, sure, you guys stated fighting styles, but I did some research. Tim has been trained by Lady Shiva; Jason hasn't. He's been trained in the Leopard Blow, which only Bruce and Shiva are aware of. I am well aware Todd spent a great deal of time training around the world, and his physical traits are superior to Tim's, but I don't believe it would be enough to take down Tim now.  
 
Thirdly, Tim hates Jason. Morals mean nothing in this instance. Of course, Tim's conscience might get in the way, because he so deeply wants to be like Bruce, but I remember Tim beat Jason savagely with that pipe during Battle for the Cowl; so he's not going to pull punches. So, I lessened the amount I was going to post to save you from an essay, but here is my justification that Tim could beat Jason now. Tim could beat Jason, but only after an extended fight. What are your thoughts, lads?

They're glitchy and user voted. They don't mean anything. 

@RainEffect said:

@entropy_aegis: @noj: @daredevil21134: @Rabbit_May_Cry: @ReVamp: 
Okay, sorry for the delay guys, had a hectic twenty-four hours. 
 
Now, first things first, I want to let you all know that I don't hate Jason. I actually dig the whole 'taking Joker's old identity' to overcome his fears etc. This thread was not made in spite, but it was merely shock that two characters were exceptionally lower than he was. I also withdraw my statement that Tim could wipe the floor with Jason, but I still believe he can beat him.
 
Onto my discussion/debate: I'll address the questions you guys have been asking me in how Tim improved since Battle for the Cowl. It's my understanding that the entire Red Robin solo series occurs after Battle for the Cowl, if it doesn't, then my argument is entirely void. The whole Red Robin series was, firstly, a gauntlet for Tim to grow independently. Yes, he was independent when he was Robin, but this is the first instance where he's acting without Bruce or Dick around. He came into direct collision with Ra's al Ghul and his League. During this time, he strengthened in all forms; mental, physical and psychological. For instance, during his 'teaming' with Ra's Al Ghul, he took down seven of the League of Spiders, and that was after he recovered from intense wounding, single-handedly. I can't find anything in Jason Todd's history to suggest he's gone up against fighters of that level by himself. From what I know of Todd (which is actually quite little), he's only been a street-prowler. 
 
Secondly, Tim was able to thwart Ra's Al Ghul's ultimate plan to take control of Wayne Enterprises and eventually Gotham after Bruce's death. He managed to go toe-to-toe with Ra's, something I doubt Jason has ever done, and it ended in a stalemate (with Tim wounded, obviously) but Ra's congratulated Tim afterwards, thereby earning his respect. He outclassed Ra's in tactics and intelligence, and fought him to a stalemate in one on one fighting. May I also add that, due to his consistent exposure to Lazarus Pits, Ra's has heightened physical traits. 
 
Now, sure, you guys stated fighting styles, but I did some research. Tim has been trained by Lady Shiva; Jason hasn't. He's been trained in the Leopard Blow, which only Bruce and Shiva are aware of. I am well aware Todd spent a great deal of time training around the world, and his physical traits are superior to Tim's, but I don't believe it would be enough to take down Tim now.  
 
Thirdly, Tim hates Jason. Morals mean nothing in this instance. Of course, Tim's conscience might get in the way, because he so deeply wants to be like Bruce, but I remember Tim beat Jason savagely with that pipe during Battle for the Cowl; so he's not going to pull punches. So, I lessened the amount I was going to post to save you from an essay, but here is my justification that Tim could beat Jason now. Tim could beat Jason, but only after an extended fight. What are your thoughts, lads?

The leopard blow is a lethal move,and it requires peak human strength on the level of Bruce,Shiva etc so Tim is'nt using it anytime soon.Tim did not thwart Ra's,he showed him Bruce's will.Ra's was on the wrong trail the whole time,and Tim got his ass kicked by Ra's,it was'nt a stalemate Dick ended up saving him.Granted he did give Ra's a nosebleed but that's about it.Also how come you're so sure Jason would'nt have done just as well? he's fought Batman and given him a good fight.When has Tim done that? and please killing no name asasins does'nt mean much.Even Steph Brown was mauling them. Ra's does'nt have heightened physical stats,he only gets them when he has emerged from the pit and in that state he's mindless,and modern Ra's is'nt that great to even begin with.He has'nt been anywhere near as deadly ever since Chuck Dixon last wrote him.That Ra's bested Nightwing,Bane(swordfights ofcourse) and was close to beating Batman too. Todd has gone up against Nightwing and Tim himself,he's beaten the guy twice in canon and both were written by different writers,neither of which was Judd Winick.

I don't follow Tim's comic, what I know about him, I learned from other people. But I don't care how much character growth he has...he will still never be able to beat Jason. I hate it when comic writers depict Tim and Jason havin' a back and forth fight...when Tim would be obliterated Jason. The only reason why Tim even survives fights with Jason is because he's a popular character. Jason hates him so of course he'll kill him.
 
I for one would thoroughly enjoy a story when Jason kills Tim. Because that's the reality of those two.

The leopard blow is a lethal move,and it requires peak human strength on the level of Bruce,Shiva etc so Tim is'nt using it anytime soon.Tim did not thwart Ra's,he showed him Bruce's will.Ra's was on the wrong trail the whole time,and Tim got his ass kicked by Ra's,it was'nt a stalemate Dick ended up saving him.Granted he did give Ra's a nosebleed but that's about it.Also how come you're so sure Jason would'nt have done just as well? he's fought Batman and given him a good fight.When has Tim done that? and please killing no name asasins does'nt mean much.Even Steph Brown was mauling them. Ra's does'nt have heightened physical stats,he only gets them when he has emerged from the pit and in that state he's mindless,and modern Ra's is'nt that great to even begin with.He has'nt been anywhere near as deadly ever since Chuck Dixon last wrote him.That Ra's bested Nightwing,Bane(swordfights ofcourse) and was close to beating Batman too. Todd has gone up against Nightwing and Tim himself,he's beaten the guy twice in canon and both were written by different writers,neither of which was Judd Winick. 

@ReVamp

@RainEffect: I'll answer it in a bit. But most of the Red Robin series displays mental progress more than anything. It won't do much help in a battle with Jason.

@Rabbit_May_Cry

@RainEffect: Lets not forget that Tim is going to have a handicap since Jason uses Lethal force and he doesn't.

@ReVamp said:

@RainEffect: Lets not forget that Tim is going to have a handicap since Jason uses Lethal force and he doesn't.

See above post, last paragraph.

As for Tim not killing...

As for Tim not killing...

SPOILER WARNING: Click here to reveal hidden content.

Tim Drake apparently tried to kill Captain Boomerang.

  Anyway...  Jason BARELY beat Tim Drake in BfTC, when he had the home field advantage.  Tim has gotten faster and more brutal since then.  So yeah, Drake would beat Jason.

@Rabbit_May_Cry: I had no idea you hated Tim lol but I have to disagree with Dick being a better then Bruce

@ReVamp:  I just pointed out Tim doesn't ALWAYS fight without the intension of killing.

@RainEffect:  The fight between Bruce and Jason in Hush is'nt really applicable,you correctly pointed some of the reasons but there's another.In the orignal storyline it was Clayface who was pretending to be Todd.Jason's involvement was forced via retcon. But Bruce and Jason fought in Under the Red hood storyline,Jason did rough him up.Though ofcourse he heavily relied upon weapons which were specifically designed to penetrate Bruce's defenses and there were other factors as well but overall it was a solid effort.

As for Tim not killing...

SPOILER WARNING: Click here to reveal hidden content.

Tim Drake apparently tried to kill Captain Boomerang.

  Anyway...  Jason BARELY beat Tim Drake in BfTC, when he had the home field advantage.  Tim has gotten faster and more brutal since then.  So yeah, Drake would beat Jason.

I just think it's funny that Drake and Cassandra got whipped by a ten year old assassin. That is all.

I just think it's funny that Drake and Cassandra got whipped by a ten year old assassin. That is all.

@RainEffect: That doesn't help your point at all. You say that in a neutral confrontation devoid of ambushes that Tim would win, but you say Tim hasn't grown... I know that he was ambushed in BFTC, but I still believe Tim has yet to reach the terms of skill Jason has, specially considering the latters lethality. I do believe that its possible for Tim to beat Jason, but it would include using his superior intelligence level to lead Jason into an ambush.

@ReVamp said:

@RainEffect: That doesn't help your point at all. You say that in a neutral confrontation devoid of ambushes that Tim would win, but you say Tim hasn't grown... I know that he was ambushed in BFTC, but I still believe Tim has yet to reach the terms of skill Jason has, specially considering the latters lethality. I do believe that its possible for Tim to beat Jason, but it would include using his superior intelligence level to lead Jason into an ambush.

Bleh, was hoping to go to bed now. Hah! Discussion calls for discipline, I s'pose.
Good job on pulling me up, I just realized I contradicted myself. 
 
@entropy_aegis:@Rabbit_May_Cry::
In complete and utter honesty lads, I am actually only half convinced that Tim can beat Jason in a one on one, and that isn't by physical skills. After discussing with you guys, I've come to the conclusion that, as far as sheer skill goes, Jason is better than Tim. I'll admit that, he is superior to Tim in hand to hand combat. W hat makes me still half convinced is that sheer skill doesn't always determine a comic book fight, as we've seen a million times over. Tim knows Jason's fighting style, and that has to account for something, right? Having met him, as Rabbit claimed, twice in the past, then Tim's detective ability would cause him to analyze Jason's fighting style and manipulate his emotions to his advantage, exactly how Bruce does. I agree that Jason has the advantages of physical superiority and killer instinct, but as the old saying goes, mind over matter. 
 
As ReVamp has brought it to my attention, Tim didn't actually improve his physical fighting ability during the course of Red Robin, it was just his mind and instincts he sharpened (and perhaps getting used to being badly wounded). So I admit that much.

Wait-wait-wait...Do you guy's keep forgettin' that just because Tim is smart, doesn't mean Jason isn't? So far, all I've seen was people say the only way Tim could beat Jason is by out thinkin' him. But you forget...a strategist ALWAYS has a plan.  Tim isn't a natural strategist like Jason is. In fact, THAT'S the thing he's better at than the rest of the Batfamily (besides the killin'). You can't out strategize a natural strategist.
 
And I'm pretty sure that Jason knows how Tim fights, but I FULLY doubt that Tim will catch on to the fightin' styles of Jason for 2 reasons. 1 bein' that Tim lacks the experience to think of that and do it. And 2, Jason hasn't fought Tim with ALL the skills he knows.  Jason's Capoeira style has yet to make a debut (along with other styles). Tim can't possibly learn all of what Jason can do faster than Jason can learn what Tim can do. 'Cause, like I said earlier...Tim hasn't mastered a damn. Pretty high degree in things, but no mastery. And what Tim knows...Jason already mastered.
 
The mind over matter thing only works for people like Spider-Man. He has traits that HE'S more superior in (like his agility), so he utilizes that to find a way to win against stronger opponents. Tim on the other hand has no superior skill...JUST Intelligence. And as we've seen multiple times on the battleground of nerds vs bullies...smarts will ALWAYS lose with nothin' to back it up.
 
Furthermore, Jason's fightin' abilities are constantly compared to those of Grayson's. Most comic book fans put them on equal stand points because they have traits over each other...but when it comes down to it, they're damn near identical. Since battle for the cowl, Jason has been constantly fightin' Grayson...you honestly think that if he goes back to fightin' Tim...Tim has a BETTER chance of winnin'? Point blank, if Tim can't do anything against Grayson...he will NEVER win a fight against Jason. And so far...Tim can't do a damn against Grayson.
 
@RainEffect: 
And just to let you know...I cap it in bold because that's how I ACTUALLY talk in real life. I emphasize certain words that (to some people) shouldn't be emphasized.
 
@ComicStooge: 
Do you not read...or are you just skimmin' over facts that I say? It doesn't matter if Tim is an all-around fighter because Jason is better at everything that Tim has to offer except detective work. AGAIN...that doesn't mean that Jason is some dumb brute, because Jason himself is pretty smart.
 
Let's put it this way Strength...Jason is a great deal stronger than Tim.
Speed...Jason is faster than Tim.
Agility...Jason stands far above Tim.
Endurance...Jason has been through more than Tim while STILL pullin' off victories.
And do I NEED to mention the hand-to-hand again? 'Cause that's all the way Jason.
Tim loses! It's not speculation...it's fact. As I've said earlier...if the writers were writin' an actual depiction of  a Jason vs Tim fight...Tim would have BEEN dead. Popularity saves his ass from the fire each time.