....Hell no...

Since Winick is writing this, after seeing this image I can only imagine Jason mentioning how he "did" Damian's mom and Damian not liking that very much, lol.

F***

I don't think he has red hair...nevertheless...I don't like that cover.

What's everyone complaining about?

" What's everyone complaining about? "

Dunno. Guess they don't like Jason getting owned, or having red hair.

I kind of like the cover actually. Never was a big fan of his new Red Hood costume so it is nice seeing it get smashed.

" @RedHoodsDen: I trust Judd Winick to Jason some justice. His portrayal of him has been the best in recent years. "

That Morrison's red-headed stepson take cannot be ignored because Grant did it. That Battle For The Cowl happened merely to justify Grant's take.

Maybe this means he's gonna end up ditching that crappy costume.   That would be stellar, the original was best.

" That Morrison's red-headed stepson take cannot be ignored because Grant did it. That Battle For The Cowl happened merely to justify Grant's take.

I wonder if they actually think I ever wanted Judd Winick to write Grant Morrison's Jason Todd...? A thin slice of 4th wall one off vapid characterization.

That that's what we were asking for?

I'm just so tired of trying reach these nimrods. No wonder their market share is imploding.

"

Oh come on, it symbolized the loss of any purity in him and the forming of an unholy alliance that originally started out with good intentions and was almost motherly. That was the point. Total perversion of the original notion to return him to Bruce.

There's a reasonable answer- her characteriization has been inconsistent ever since Morrison [he gave writers llcense to do as they pleased with her, a pattern he continued with Jason] dipped her in the pit a dozen times 6 or so years ago to make her subservient to Nyssa, his creation. She's boofed Bane and I think even Valley for God's sake. We all thought she was gonna bang Tim for a new heir this year.
She is basically, the Pussy Galore of the Bat characters, all sex object, damsel in distress, and psychopath, in one, that Ms. Head is. 
To say that its' beyond a woman this woman to bang Jason when she's cloned her own son. C'mon.She's a raving twisty.

"Since Winick is writing this, after seeing this image I can only imagine Jason mentioning how he "did" Damian's mom and Damian not liking that very much, lol. "

This is very much what i've been thinking about since this story was announced

OMG I actually mistaked Damian's boots for Jason's face.

"There's a reasonable answer- her characteriization has been inconsistent ever since Morrison [he gave writers llcense to do as they pleased with her, a pattern he continued with Jason] dipped her in the pit a dozen times 6 or so years ago to make her subservient to Nyssa, his creation. She's boofed Bane and I think even Valley for God's sake. We all thought she was gonna bang Tim for a new heir this year.
She is basically, the Pussy Galore of the Bat characters, all sex object, damsel in distress, and psychopath, in one, that Ms. Head is. 
To say that its' beyond a woman this woman to bang Jason when she's cloned her own son. C'mon.She's a raving twisty.

Which is the shame of it, editorial only seems to make crazies anymore and nothing all that compelling.

"

It was Rucka who did the Lazarus pit stuff with Nyssa actually, he created the character not sure why poor Grant is taking the brunt of this,and Rucka did not distort continuity to make her sleep with someone with whom she has no business sleeping.Rucka made her in to a woman who hated Bruce Wayne,Morrison on the otherhand  was instrumental in getting rid of Nyssa and bringing back Ra's.Morrison has written Talia as more evil than ever sure but he STILL retains the greatest aspect of the character(possesive love for Wayne).She asked him to join  her in Batman 656,she asked Merlyn to attack Jezebel Jet(Batman 675),she sent an army of manbats after Jezebel(Batman 681),the whole Batman & Robin fiasco was arranged cause she did'nt consider Dick to be Bruce lite.So all in all Rucka is to blame,many of the IC plotpoints regarding Talia were dropped after IC,like her being leader of Kobra amd HIVE which Morrison completly ignored.

She boofed Bane cause he fits her whole elite standard thing(worthy heir stuff etc) but even he was rejected,also that relationship came to a conclusion(unlike this one which Winick has left in a way which allows him to open it anytime) and it was always presented to us a sexual one unlike this which goes from mother/son to  butthurt lover/renegade son.
The Jean Paul Valley incident was again forced upon her by Ra's and again it was the whole perfect heir thing.

The woman with regards to Drake is NOT Talia and again it comes down to Ra's al Ghul's choice.

Talia slept with 2 men prior to Lost Days (Bruce and Bane),the latter was rejected and now they hate each other with a passion.

Now with one miniseries written by a hack she sleeps around with servants(we only saw one but it's kinda fair to assume she's done it with others) and Jason Todd (which does'nt add up with the cannonical events).

I'm not sure when Talia was a damsel in distress figure,or a sex object.Getting a little carried away methinks.

So it all comes down to 3 men

Bruce

Bane

Valley

All chosen by her daddy,only one whom she genuinly loves,one whom she hates,and one whom she sadly accepted as there was no other alternative.

Good or evil,Talia has always been written as fussing over Wayne,Morrison writes her like that,the Calloway guy who used her as a villian writes her like that but Winick does NOT write her like that.It's the greatest aspect of the character and no matter how evil or crazy Morrison writes her as long as he sticks to that then he CAN'T be faulted.

In short Winick....never mind.

" @RedHoodsDen said:

"There's a reasonable answer- her characteriization has been inconsistent ever since Morrison [he gave writers llcense to do as they pleased with her, a pattern he continued with Jason] dipped her in the pit a dozen times 6 or so years ago to make her subservient to Nyssa, his creation. She's boofed Bane and I think even Valley for God's sake. We all thought she was gonna bang Tim for a new heir this year.
She is basically, the Pussy Galore of the Bat characters, all sex object, damsel in distress, and psychopath, in one, that Ms. Head is. 
To say that its' beyond a woman this woman to bang Jason when she's cloned her own son. C'mon.She's a raving twisty.

Which is the shame of it, editorial only seems to make crazies anymore and nothing all that compelling.

"

It was Rucka who did the Lazarus pit stuff with Nyssa actually, he created the character not sure why poor Grant is taking the brunt of this,and Rucka did not distort continuity to make her sleep with someone with whom she has no business sleeping.Rucka made her in to a woman who hated Bruce Wayne,Morrison on the otherhand  was instrumental in getting rid of Nyssa and bringing back Ra's.Morrison has written Talia as more evil than ever sure but he STILL retains the greatest aspect of the character(possesive love for Wayne).She asked him to join  her in Batman 656,she asked Merlyn to attack Jezebel Jet(Batman 675),she sent an army of manbats after Jezebel(Batman 681),the whole Batman & Robin fiasco was arranged cause she did'nt consider Dick to be Bruce lite.So all in all Rucka is to blame,many of the IC plotpoints regarding Talia were dropped after IC,like her being leader of Kobra amd HIVE which Morrison completly ignored.

She boofed Bane cause he fits her whole elite standard thing(worthy heir stuff etc) but even he was rejected,also that relationship came to a conclusion(unlike this one which Winick has left in a way which allows him to open it anytime) and it was always presented to us a sexual one unlike this which goes from mother/son to  butthurt lover/renegade son.
The Jean Paul Valley incident was again forced upon her by Ra's and again it was the whole perfect heir thing.

The woman with regards to Drake is NOT Talia and again it comes down to Ra's al Ghul's choice.

Talia slept with 2 men prior to Lost Days (Bruce and Bane),the latter was rejected and now they hate each other with a passion.

Now with one miniseries written by a hack she sleeps around with servants(we only saw one but it's kinda fair to assume she's done it with others) and Jason Todd (which does'nt add up with the cannonical events).

I'm not sure when Talia was a damsel in distress figure,or a sex object.Getting a little carried away methinks.

So it all comes down to 3 men

Bruce

Bane

Valley

All chosen by her daddy,only one whom she genuinly loves,one whom she hates,and one whom she sadly accepted as there was no other alternative.

Good or evil,Talia has always been written as fussing over Wayne,Morrison writes her like that,the Calloway guy who used her as a villian writes her like that but Winick does NOT write her like that.It's the greatest aspect of the character and no matter how evil or crazy Morrison writes her as long as he sticks to that then he CAN'T be faulted.

In short Winick....never mind.

"

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @RedHoodsDen said:

"There's a reasonable answer- her characteriization has been inconsistent ever since Morrison [he gave writers llcense to do as they pleased with her, a pattern he continued with Jason] dipped her in the pit a dozen times 6 or so years ago to make her subservient to Nyssa, his creation. She's boofed Bane and I think even Valley for God's sake. We all thought she was gonna bang Tim for a new heir this year.
She is basically, the Pussy Galore of the Bat characters, all sex object, damsel in distress, and psychopath, in one, that Ms. Head is. 
To say that its' beyond a woman this woman to bang Jason when she's cloned her own son. C'mon.She's a raving twisty.

Which is the shame of it, editorial only seems to make crazies anymore and nothing all that compelling.

"

It was Rucka who did the Lazarus pit stuff with Nyssa actually, he created the character not sure why poor Grant is taking the brunt of this,and Rucka did not distort continuity to make her sleep with someone with whom she has no business sleeping.Rucka made her in to a woman who hated Bruce Wayne,Morrison on the otherhand  was instrumental in getting rid of Nyssa and bringing back Ra's.Morrison has written Talia as more evil than ever sure but he STILL retains the greatest aspect of the character(possesive love for Wayne).She asked him to join  her in Batman 656,she asked Merlyn to attack Jezebel Jet(Batman 675),she sent an army of manbats after Jezebel(Batman 681),the whole Batman & Robin fiasco was arranged cause she did'nt consider Dick to be Bruce lite.So all in all Rucka is to blame,many of the IC plotpoints regarding Talia were dropped after IC,like her being leader of Kobra amd HIVE which Morrison completly ignored.

She boofed Bane cause he fits her whole elite standard thing(worthy heir stuff etc) but even he was rejected,also that relationship came to a conclusion(unlike this one which Winick has left in a way which allows him to open it anytime) and it was always presented to us a sexual one unlike this which goes from mother/son to  butthurt lover/renegade son.
The Jean Paul Valley incident was again forced upon her by Ra's and again it was the whole perfect heir thing.

The woman with regards to Drake is NOT Talia and again it comes down to Ra's al Ghul's choice.

Talia slept with 2 men prior to Lost Days (Bruce and Bane),the latter was rejected and now they hate each other with a passion.

Now with one miniseries written by a hack she sleeps around with servants(we only saw one but it's kinda fair to assume she's done it with others) and Jason Todd (which does'nt add up with the cannonical events).

I'm not sure when Talia was a damsel in distress figure,or a sex object.Getting a little carried away methinks.

So it all comes down to 3 men

Bruce

Bane

Valley

All chosen by her daddy,only one whom she genuinly loves,one whom she hates,and one whom she sadly accepted as there was no other alternative.

Good or evil,Talia has always been written as fussing over Wayne,Morrison writes her like that,the Calloway guy who used her as a villian writes her like that but Winick does NOT write her like that.It's the greatest aspect of the character and no matter how evil or crazy Morrison writes her as long as he sticks to that then he CAN'T be faulted.

In short Winick....never mind.

"

Very, very well said. Couldn't agree more. "

ANYYYYWAYYYY, I hope there's no re hair.

"ANYYYYWAYYYY, I hope there's no re hair. "

" @Primmaster64 said:

"ANYYYYWAYYYY, I hope there's no re hair. "

C'mon,and then you guys tell me to get over it LOL,it's a matter of a simple handwave. "

Oh it's not about the hair. It's about the need for the character to overly defective, it's about them proclaiming he never should've been Robin. It's about a petty hatred of Grayson in a middle child syndrome vein that demeans the real tragedy of what happened to him. It's about him becoming a scarred, maimed balding bitter caricature Batvillain that ultimately makes light of the greatest tragedy of the mythos. And it's about that caricature being a handmedown personality Morrison originally crafted 20 years ago in a single issue of Animal Man in the guise of the Red Mask of Death.
For Jan Brady syndrome and big name vanity. That's what it's about. And fine, Rucka wrote Maidens. Doesn't change the fact they've done as they pleased with Talia since then- she basically plays the role of wife, mother, or whore now. Most of it hollow.

"Oh it's not about the hair. It's about the need for the character to overly defective, it's about them proclaiming he never should've been Robin. It's about a petty hatred of Grayson in a middle child syndrome vein that demeans the real tragedy of what happened to him. It's about him becoming a scarred, maimed balding bitter caricature Batvillain that ultimately makes light of the greatest tragedy of the mythos. And it's about that caricature being a handmedown personality Morrison originally crafted 20 years ago in a single issue of Animal Man in the guise of the Red Mask of Death.For Jan Brady syndrome and big name vanity. That's what it's about. And fine, Rucka wrote Maidens. Doesn't change the fact they've done as they pleased with Talia since then- she basically plays the role of wife, mother, or whore now. Most of it hollow. "

i like it

" @RedHoodsDen said:

"Oh it's not about the hair. It's about the need for the character to overly defective, it's about them proclaiming he never should've been Robin. It's about a petty hatred of Grayson in a middle child syndrome vein that demeans the real tragedy of what happened to him. It's about him becoming a scarred, maimed balding bitter caricature Batvillain that ultimately makes light of the greatest tragedy of the mythos. And it's about that caricature being a handmedown personality Morrison originally crafted 20 years ago in a single issue of Animal Man in the guise of the Red Mask of Death.For Jan Brady syndrome and big name vanity. That's what it's about. And fine, Rucka wrote Maidens. Doesn't change the fact they've done as they pleased with Talia since then- she basically plays the role of wife, mother, or whore now. Most of it hollow. "

Blame Death and Maidens on Dan Didiot,Rucka actually wrote a very good Talia in NML.They wanted to kill Ra's and have him replaced by his daughters who both acted as female versions of him.But it did'nt last long as we both know.But even Rucka used a particular excuse to justify what he did and even his Talia was consistent in her portrayal for the most part till Grant ofcourse changed her back,she also did not show the Winickish tendecies either. "

Um....

I don't really care about the hair or the costume so much anymore. As long as Jason remains in a series. I don't care which one of the bat books he stays in pick one. I'm ok with it. I do have to say that the whole sleeping with Talia is not that big of a deal. Those of you that can't get over it should probably grow up. Calling Winick a hack over that is childish. Not mention pathetic. To hate on him over that is again childish. Deal with it. No matter what continuity it fits with or doesn't fit with it happened its in print. Just like Jason's red hair. We have to deal with it.

"I don't really care about the hair or the costume so much anymore. As long as Jason remains in a series. I don't care which one of the bat books he stays in pick one. I'm ok with it. I do have to say that the whole sleeping with Talia is not that big of a deal. Those of you that can't get over it should probably grow up. Calling Winick a hack over that is childish. Not mention pathetic. To hate on him over that is again childish. Deal with it. No matter what continuity it fits with or doesn't fit with it happened its in print. Just like Jason's red hair. We have to deal with it. "

It's that big of a deal for a guy who's been following her for years.
@daredevil21134 said:

"I'm getting to the point where I don't care about the costume or the hair as long as he freaking shows back up again i'm happy "

Hal Jordan had a hair issue...then it got retconned.

" Hal Jordan had a hair issue...then it got retconned.

Bwahahaha.

"

For all the introspection of the red-headed stepson, there's something special about 3 men who do rather look alike having been Boy Wonders who scatter across different paths in adulthood including the "Lost" son. 

" @RedHoodJT said:

"I don't really care about the hair or the costume so much anymore. As long as Jason remains in a series. I don't care which one of the bat books he stays in pick one. I'm ok with it. I do have to say that the whole sleeping with Talia is not that big of a deal. Those of you that can't get over it should probably grow up. Calling Winick a hack over that is childish. Not mention pathetic. To hate on him over that is again childish. Deal with it. No matter what continuity it fits with or doesn't fit with it happened its in print. Just like Jason's red hair. We have to deal with it. "

 

It's that big of a deal for a guy who's been following her for years.
@daredevil21134 said:

"I'm getting to the point where I don't care about the costume or the hair as long as he freaking shows back up again i'm happy "

Same here,i would rather show my knowledge on Cyborg Superman and Bane over Talia's sexuality which has just left me fatigued. "

hmmm

" @RedHoodsDen: No...It was writer fanwank. Talia would NEVER sleep with Jason. She would never betray Bruce like that. "

"Since Winick is writing this, after seeing this image I can only imagine Jason mentioning how he "did" Damian's mom and Damian not liking that very much, lol. "

Leave it to Mike Marts to pluck one letter for this week's letter columns in BnR that claims even Pre-Crisis Jason strained to fit the mold of the Batman and Robin dynamic and how his recent characterization is informed from that stuff. 
How much can I actually curse on here? When does it become obscene exactly?

Jason didn't "fit the mold" of Batman and Robin like the other two did because he didn't grow up with a mother and father. He grew up on the streets. Dick had his mother and father til he was, I think, 11 or 12. Tim had his father until the Identity Crisis so I think that Tim might have been 18 then both of them were adopted by Bruce after the loss of their parent(s). Jason on the other hand was adopted after trying to steal the tires off the Batmobile.

" ANYYYYWAYYYY, I hope there's no re hair. "