@nomar: ok, virtually no one could beat the hulk in combat if they were holding back in order to save lives because as soon as they start hitting hard enough to damage to him, the collateral damage would be too great and the helicarrier would be at least partially destroyed and lives would be lost. So no in that case no one could have physically mopped the floor with the hulk even if holding back because there would be extreme collateral damage. So yes that argument does work.
I recognise that thor never lived up to the statement for obvious reasons but using simple logic; the fact that whenever thor has fought loki he has rarely sent him flying with his hits like he has to other opponents or used lightning (apart from that time on the bifrost which did floor him) makes perfect sense in that he was holding back in their other fights.
Well done for paying attention to the context of the city busting feat (no sarcasm intended seriously). Just to say i wasnt assuming you were a thor hater but just that maybe you werent fully informed of the context and that there is a place to find it.
As i said, yes hulk had the upper hand in the fight but i have proved that thor was holding back in my first paragraph.
When i said i could imagine hulk lifting more, i meant it but as neither have done much lifting in the mcu i said i could "imagine". However, as i said the effect of hulk's punch being blocked was nothing compared to the effect of thor's strike on malekith being blocked. But i accept that this was just PIS as if hulk's punch was anywhere near the punch to the leviathan then thor probaly would have fallen through the floor.
Who cares about my name, that should not affect the validity of my opinion. Please enlighten me as to how i am ignoring context, if i am missing something significant then i will reconsider the relevant part of my argument.
Please don't generalise here, i doubt you have ever seen me comment on another thor battle thread so don't assume i would never admit that thor would lose to an opponent. I believe that at base/starting strength, thor is stronger but the hulk can surpass him physically. Just to let you know i am talking about earth 616 for this. So yes however you want me to say it, hulk can become physically stronger than thor e.g. wwh is stronger than thor physically and wbh is leagues above him physically. This i concede.
In the mcu i think it is hard to say because neither have many lifting feats but i would assume hulk is stronger (that is what i would say if someone asked me which is stronger in the mcu). So don't say i am being overly stubborn or will not accept anything against thor.
Please give evidence or a valid reason proving that thor was not holding back against hulk. I know you think i am being a stubborn fanboy but i have provided the logic and reason behind my argument. If you can prove me wrong then so be it.
As you have edited your comment i will respond to that part here. You say i cant compare the two incidents where each guy got pierced because abomination is a lot stronger than loki but you dismiss the fact that abomination's elbow was not sharp like loki's blade which is of asgardian origin so would be both hard and sharp and potentially enchanted. The hulk was up against a wall when abomination pierced him so he wouldnt have been able to be "downed" like thor was. Anyway thor just went onto one knee and got up about 3s later. You said that I was willing to ignore context. wow.
Obviously thor exerted himself to an extent as loki is not that weak so if he did not exert himself, then he would not have put down loki which he did do but by not going all out and killing him or really badly injuring him as he still loved him.
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