" @Jazzitup: he need a whole lot more before he can win against superman "

Hulk is good but he is missing that one thing to that could make him a real peak level character, course i don't see him getting since that would be a pretty big change for Hulk, what Hulk needs is flight, without an aerial offense it makes it tough for him to compete against people like Superman who can fly at the speed of light and beyond, also better speed would be good too since i don't think he can even break the sound barrier.

"Hulk is good but he is missing that one thing to that could make him a real peak level character, course i don't see him getting since that would be a pretty big change for Hulk, what Hulk needs is flight, without an aerial offense it makes it tough for him to compete against people like Superman who can fly at the speed of light and beyond, also better speed would be good too since i don't think he can even break the sound barrier. "

" Hulk has feats of tagging fast characters before. Silver Surfer, Sentry, Thor, Spiderman ect. "

" @Susanoo said:

" Hulk has feats of tagging fast characters before. Silver Surfer, Sentry, Thor, Spiderman ect. "

he does but, if he is fighting someone who is going to use his/her advantages and Hulks disadvantages against him then he really would be able to touch them at all Silver Surfer must have been trying to calm him down, because he has strong distance attacks that could drop the Hulk with relative ease. Sentry when he fought the Hulk was stupid if you can avoid it you don't get into a slug fest with the Hulk. Thor loves a challenge and would definitely try just going toe-to-toe with Hulk instead just using his OF or Lightning from a distance Spider-man isn't really in anyone of these guys level of speed "

"I know. Just saying what feats suggest. Just because the characters should do "this" doesn't mean they always do that. Superman can easily bfr someone like Doomsday but he doesn't. Thor can easily destroy the wrecking crew but he doesn't. Silver Surfer can easily kill the Hulk but he doesn't. Hulk has one advantage and it's rage and nearly no morals while people he fights have morals. "

" @Susanoo said:

"I know. Just saying what feats suggest. Just because the characters should do "this" doesn't mean they always do that. Superman can easily bfr someone like Doomsday but he doesn't. Thor can easily destroy the wrecking crew but he doesn't. Silver Surfer can easily kill the Hulk but he doesn't. Hulk has one advantage and it's rage and nearly no morals while people he fights have morals. "

I agree in just about every fight Superman is in on here people say he wins because of speed blitz even though is rarely something he does in a fight, but when debating people tend to look at the abilities of the character, and not always how they use them, but that is how discussions go on here you can;t change it, I tried and failed, you just have to learn the system that is used and use it to your advantage. "

"I'm pretty sure I can change that. With no problem too. "

" @Susanoo said:

"I'm pretty sure I can change that. With no problem too. "

i hope you do, i just don't see it happening. "

Eh, I guess it depends in which circles you travel with, personally, I find Hulk adequately represented, if not somewhat overrated. Then again, I do not participate in many VS or Battle threads. I have noticed on the occasions I have ventured in those eras, that the foundations of many posters arguments, rely completely on argumentum ad ignorantiam. Is that a good thing? It almost seems like its universally viewed as a good thing at some sites, If anything is being underestimated its people's belief in their own ability to actual have an opinion, and discuss it, and the reasons why they hold their opinion, instead of fruitlessly trying to be right in a situation where there is no right or wrong.  
 
Most writers don't give two flying foxes if Superman or Thor have travelled faster than light, or can pick up snakes and planets as big as planets, and can travel though stars like prune juice, because when it comes down to match the characters up, Hulk can fight them, and give them a good fight. On panel. Thats how writers think, they aim for balance and entertainment and more importantly they all disagree with each other lol 
 
If they disagree with each other, I find it, just a tiny bit funny, that people can insist they can prove how something should go down (as opposed to could or even would), when its more a matter of consistency, intent, and likelihood and a bunch of other variables usually involved with the set up of the story or premise. So i usually think the only thing you should be serious about in VS or Battles, is your opinion and right to have an opinion. Logical assessment and objective conclusions that would arise from that is a whole nother kettle of fish.  
 
Myself personally, Greg Pak writes Hulk, Greg Pak is a huge Hulk fan, and projects to me, that he thinks Hulk is stronger and more powerful than Thor and Superman and everyone. Not an inherently bad thing, I just disagree with him, in the creative sense and in consistency and some other things. I still enjoy reading his Hulk though, but don't find him underestimated in that sense. My experience with "DC fans" and thats a generalization, and a limited sample, and takes into account my flawed presumptions too, since maybe a guy with a Superman avatar and DCfan69 in his name, and 'Marvel sucks big fat' in his sig might actually be a big Thor or Juggernaut or even Hulk fan, so by extension Marvel fan lol, but yeah, my experience with them? I do yes, think that they, underestimate Hulk. Maybe not so underestimate Hulk... like some Thor fans, Superman fans, Sentry fans I know, they sometimes just seem to hate Hulk too, which is different from underestimating him. Its a similar trend with some (emphasis some) Hulk fans towards other characters too I note. 

I've never understood........Isn't Hulks strength limitless. I mean that pretty much says it all right there. 
 
Maybe he couldn't one shot Supes or WW, but I think he could overcome them

 I tried and failed, 

" @hydrabob said:

 I tried and failed, 

 Oh man, you so totally kicked ass in one thread I saw you in lol, I think. I hope I am right. I was pretty sure it was a Hydrabob, there ain't two of you running around? Cut one Hydrabob, and two Hydrabob appear? I think it was a thread delving into the mechanics of pushing large objects and what was more important, strength or the ability to fly fast, apply force and magically not shred the planet to bits. I doubt you actually failed, rather than no one wants to be challenged properly. I think more people find enjoyment in having people agree with them, than actually having fun challenging their own opinions with the opinions and considerations of others.  "

Hulk isn't under-estimated he just suffers from Marvel standards.If Hulk could Hulk out and keep Banner's intellect (like in World War Hulk),maybe fly and had some long range capability..he would win more fights but because he's big and slow (in comparison to most class 100's), he's basically just a big target.That's why Superman,Cap Marvel,Wonder Woman and characters like that always win against him in battle forums.He can only match them in one area and not very well.

@mk111: In A Hulk Vs Superman, (Marvel Vs DC) Superman had to hit Hulk "harder then he had ever hit anything". Quoted by the comic and Hulk lived and was up and going only a few hours later. How can you say, If they didn't have to fight to the death, Hulk wouldn't win?  
 
All Supes has on Hulk is speed. I doubt his ice or heat vision would harm Hulk, due to Hulk beating Omega power mutants with those powers.

" @hydrabob: he was'ent even moving the earth by him self to, martion manhunter and wounder woman were helping he was just pulling 1/3rd. "

" @mk111: In A Hulk Vs Superman, (Marvel Vs DC) Superman had to hit Hulk "harder then he had ever hit anything". Quoted by the comic and Hulk lived and was up and going only a few hours later. How can you say, If they didn't have to fight to the death, Hulk wouldn't win?   All Supes has on Hulk is speed. I doubt his ice or heat vision would harm Hulk, due to Hulk beating Omega power mutants with those powers. "

" @Theworldbreaker said:

" @hydrabob: he was'ent even moving the earth by him self to, martion manhunter and wounder woman were helping he was just pulling 1/3rd. "

well going by their logic that is still an incredibly high amount of weight.
 
@BryceN said:

" @mk111: In A Hulk Vs Superman, (Marvel Vs DC) Superman had to hit Hulk "harder then he had ever hit anything". Quoted by the comic and Hulk lived and was up and going only a few hours later. How can you say, If they didn't have to fight to the death, Hulk wouldn't win?   All Supes has on Hulk is speed. I doubt his ice or heat vision would harm Hulk, due to Hulk beating Omega power mutants with those powers. "

if i remember correctly, Superman put Hulk down with his heat vision in that comic, also it's Non-Canon so it really means nothing. "

" @hydrabob: actually it is canon in marvel and pre final crisis dc as stated by both in one of their handbooks, so in canon in marvel through I am not sure dc

"as for that he was fighting the professor hulk who although is know to have more control over his abilities they weaker in comparison to most hulks incarnations. so that not a good example    "

" @hydrabob:  both are canon marvel and dc  have both stated this well both  are for marvel anyway dc I think after one the crisis they no longer count for some reason as the and it was the professor a  few reasons support this the way he acted  and the fact he called himself Bruce and the time the battle took place was when the professor was the only known at the time to come out. "

" In forums, against people like Superman... Hulk is always getting stomped on. He has planetary+ durability, strength in the trillions to quadrillion area now, decent fighting skill since WW hulk, nd alot more. "

" I've never understood........Isn't Hulks strength limitless. I mean that pretty much says it all right there.  Maybe he couldn't one shot Supes or WW, but I think he could overcome them "

" @hydrabob: I sorry, certain versions of the hulk  I don see lose to superman by just heat vision alone though I not saying  the hulk can not lose to superman I know better that . I just know certain incarnations are bit  more resistant than the hulk at the time  that battle  that because as of late the hulk is shown to able to withstand heat the level of superman heat vision several times.  "

so taking the human torch super nova blast twice second time with lighting from storm is not hotter than than the sun? by the way a johnny's super nova blast is said as hot if not hotter than sun 

" so taking the human torch super nova blast twice second time with lighting from storm is not hotter than than the sun? by the way a johnny's super nova blast is said as hot if not hotter than sun  "

" @gethere: people have worked it out a bunch of times its more on the lines of a small nuke not anywhere near the sun "

" @gethere said:

" so taking the human torch super nova blast twice second time with lighting from storm is not hotter than than the sun? by the way a johnny's super nova blast is said as hot if not hotter than sun  "

when did this happen?
   

" Fantastic four 533 or 534 and world warhulk when the hulk fought the fantastic four with black panther and storm "

" @gethere: @hydrabob: this isnt a debate?<> its talking about how hulk is underestimated, why on most threads about a character everyone feels the need to compare and talk about how there favourite character is better than superman   but anyway ive never seen the human torch start a sun ever and its as hot as a small nuke this has been talked about for many years and everyone comes to the same conclusion just go look for one of those threads. Hulk cant survive the sun yes he has high heat resistance but the sun is what millions  of nuclear bombs per second or something thats the sorta heat it has "

 @hydrabob:  he said he went super nova did you miss that part ?

"  @hydrabob:  he said he went super nova did you miss that part ? "

Hulk fans don't seem to understand the importance of speed over durability and strength