"A Cosmic Force of Nature."

"More stronger and more powerful than any mortal-- and most immortals -- who have ever walked the face of the earth."

These statements alone from Greg Pak are all I need to confirm just how powerful WBH truly is.

Planetbuster.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: World Breaker Hulk was seen 6 years ago, it is completely canon to what is happening in Earth-616 and it was the exact same Hulk we all know and read in Earth-616. Silver Age Superman isn't even the same Superman in Crisis of Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis. You can't say the same about all the characters you mentioned, all of them are canon and took place less than a decade ago, Silver Age Superman hasn't been around for 30 years, never will and the only purpose of its creation is historical within DC Comics, it holds no bearing on any other Superman past that time.

@ghostravage: WB Hulk technically applies for WWHulk that's about it. It does revolve around any other incarnation.

Pre Crisis Supes is technically still canon Supes. It's not an alternate earth or dimension. It's DC Earth Prime. DC also recently just made everything canon with Convergence and his feats still apply to Superman. Even if it's a reboot. Going by the same logic All New Marvel is also technically a reboot.

As well. Rune King Thor is still a canonical version of Thor as is Trion Juggernaut if we disregard Marvels recent reboot.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Agreed.

The other version with Red She-Hulk was amped well beyond WBH.

@overmonitor: Hulk was not amped when he fought RSH in Hearth of the Monster, he simply stopped holding back. I don't know were you got the idea.

@01100110: How did RSH compete with WBH? With no amp?

@overmonitor: She had the ability to absorb energy like Rulk but better

@overmonitor: Betty was amped, Bruce was not; I thought you said Hulk was amped there are people who think that.

World Breaker Hulk is a state in which Hulk loses control over his anger and it has been referenced in 3 handbook entries past Heart of the Monster ultimately mentioned in Avengers #28 as a possibility for Savage Hulk as well. The BIG difference between World Breaker Hulk and Silver Age Superman is that one is a concept that's fairly new and applicable to any incarnation of Hulk as long as it is in Earth-616 given it has to do with a level of anger within the character itself and no external participation whereas the other involves a rebooted version of Superman that doesn't even share a slight connection with modern issues, it is never referenced, was stripped from the main continuity of DC and was never seen since 1987. Moreover, Silver Age Superman isn't from Earth-Prime but Earth-One. Earth-Prime was the universe created after the Flashpoint which merged characters from Wildstorm, DC and Vertigo giving birth to what we know as New-52 Universe, so then again, it isn't even the same Superman and whatever Superman did back in the Silver Age is NOT canon to Post-Crisis Superman, New-52 nor any other Superman to be honest, DC basically erased such character completely off the continuity by making "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow" which basically concludes his appearances with an imaginary story after the Crisis and was never seen again and was not seen in Convergence either because he does not exist between the Pre-Flashpoint limited 52 universes which were the only universes affected by the event.

The problem with your analogy is that the Superman you're using holds absolutely no bearing in what's happening in DC anymore since 1987 and most of Superman's origin and development was changed to the point basically his villains, costume and icon from Silver Age was the only things that survived the reboot, his power level, characterisation and other paraphernalia was erased and stripped off the continuity. Rune King Thor happened in Earth-616 so it is canon to Earth-616 Thor, same as World Breaker Hulk and Trion Juggernaut, Silver Age Superman has nothing to do with any other Superman and the only thing left around it is historical for DC as a company, not the continuity itself.

All New Marvel is not a reboot, that like saying Marvel NOW! was also a reboot when all it did was show characters in different ways with new costumes, gadgets and whatnot most of the time justified by choices they made within the continuity and All New All Different Marvel is exactly the same, with external changes to other universes like Earth-1610 being erased and included into Earth-616 continuity through Secret Wars. A reboot was what New-52 represented, which changed characters drastically and neglected past scenarios and incarnations of those character in the new universe.

@ghostravage: Thanks for the WBH clarification on how he can be applied and how other incarnations can tap into that potentially.

The Superman of Earth 1 is not the same Superman as pe crisis Clark. If you read his bio it also states that version was significantly weaker than Pre 52 Clark. That is if you're referring to the Superman that reappeared during Infinite Crisis. Earth Prime (which was originally Earth One) was where Pre Crisis Clark was and then Post and now N52. It's all the same earth just being refreshed and yes it was all erased but its still Superman.

Again Convergence has made everything that has ever happened or will happen in the DCU Multiverse canon. Bringing back things like Pre Crisis Supergirl and Barry Allen etc. He's technically now in continuity.

When someone decides to talk about Superman it's generally the character as a whole. All the regullar versions of him. That's how I look at it unless it's specified otherwise.

Marvel has I believe termed this aa a reboot. The Marvel Universe was destroyed and similar to Flashpoint it gets rebuilt with the Vertigo and Wildstorm Earths like this new MU Earth will be merged with the Ultimate. The 616 earth is going to be reformed. It will be similar to the New 52 keep lots of the history but do away with some unwanted things. Marvel Now was classified a relaunch. That's why I made that connection. I'm sure most of the History will be intact (like GL and Batman's was).

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Just wanna say the all new Marvel is not a reboot as confirmed by Marvel higher ups.

Much of the reporting surrounding Marvel's upcoming, post-"Secret Wars" status quo has used the word "reboot" to describe "All-New, All-Different Marvel" and the 50-60 new #1s set to debut starting this fall. Yet in the latest edition of CBR's AXEL-IN-CHARGE column, Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso clearly states his position that the new direction is not a reboot, and that Marvel's history will not be erased.

"This is not a reboot," Alonso told CBR. "We are not erasing our history, or throwing away any old stories; we are building on our history. The Marvel Universe that greets readers in 'All-New, All-Different Marvel' is going to be the Marvel Universe that you know and love -- and recognize -- but it's also going to include some new stuff -- new characters, new places, new things, new artifacts of great importance -- that should make it even more interesting."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/axel-alonso-clarifies-all-new-all-different-marvel-this-is-not-a-reboot

Ahhhh. Ok thank you. That clears up my confusion and questions a little bit. Thanks for the info Athiest

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: No problem.

On panel he is shown as planetary level only due to the limit of reach he has but if all the matter and energy in the universe were clumped together into the shape of a sphere, he could possibly bust it.

Planet Buster at least.

@ghostravage: Did Hulk die after destroyed the planet?

Pretty weak , around planet level

@sea-beast: Not exactly. He presumably died by fighting Betty, it was shown crystal clear they were still exchanging punches with no harm whatsoever when the planet was already exploding and everyone was getting disintegrated.

Ok thank you for the info

Thing is he is like lower level Herald. His existence on it's own is Continental threat. Clearly he can bust the planet with his punch but I would say Zeus capable of doing much much more. His just fough Betty and buster the planet and cracked moons. It is a shared feat but it is still planet busting feat for everyone at least gives the fact that they did that while fighting.

So yeah, probably lower Herald level. Lower because he still Lacks the versatility, other crazy powers and he did not do anything close to busting stars.

High-herald and above. Personally, I don't believe the high, mid, or low herald. I mean, all of Galactus' heralds are powerful, for Terrax could contend with and even beat Silver Surfer in a fight (as shown when Surfer needed the aid of the New Warriors in one of his battles with Terrax). It all depends on the writer.

But in terms of power, WBH is a high-herald level being at the very least, as he defeated and incinerated a being who is on par with the Silver Surfer in Lord Armageddon. Not to mention Bi-Beast and Wendigo (both 100 class heavy hitters who've fought the likes of Thor & Savage Hulk in the past), an amped Fin Fang Foom, millions of Mindless Ones, demons, trolls, goblins, Umar (who is a high-end mystical being who, like her brother Dormammu, can contend with Sky-Fathers) and the surrounding planets/moons just with the shockwaves from his collision with Red She-Hulk (who was amped by the Hulk's wish to the Wishing Well be his physical equal so that she wouldn't die from their conflict).

I believe within the heart of the monster sega and wwh sega the hulk within the state of WBH as he is titled is planet buster! though I do believe he could very well break more then just a planet considering the idea that greg pak had behind creating the hulk in this state was to make him basically the pinnacle of physical might! which makes me wonder if hulk could augment his strength to heights never seen within a comic book character other then the god of that universe considering the hulk is basically known to have unlimited power within him!

though how would one show this TBH! I have always felt that Marvel are holding the hulk back considering he technically is harboring one of the most powerful energies in the universe (gamma) stored within him!

Uh, have you watched any of the Dragonball series? Frieza, in his his weakest form effortlessly destroyed Planet Vegeta. Goku is thousands, possibly millions of times stronger than Freiza was back then. In addition, when Goku was fighting Vegeta on Earth, Vegeta's Galick Gun attack would have destroyed the Earth, but Goku overpowered it with his Kamehameha combined with his Kaioken attack, which means Goku's attack could have also destroyed the Earth, and this was long before he ever reached the strength to become a Super Saiyan. Also, as others have already mentioned, Superman has sneezed and it destroyed a solar system.

so how did he die if he did die ?

@guardiandevil83: It's not really an upgrade so much as a situation. Savage hulk would theoretically have the ability to reach these levels as well.

Planetary.

Beyond planetary. Galactic and potentially Universal level in threat. Greg Pak described/stated WBH to be a Cosmic Force of Nature.

Alright, not to be a DBZ fanboy, and I'm not trying to start an argument, but WBH would get absolutely pulverized by Goku. Lemme teach ya boys some powerscaling. ( Also whoever stated that WBH can beat skyfathers, thats actually laughable.) Namek Frieza in his first form, achieved dwarf start-levels of power when he destroyed, and he gets (approximately 226x stronger in his 100%), making him over a Red Giant level. That is insane, that is over 1665000x the force that hulk exerted. Even if you highball hulk to be star level, he is still weak in comparison. Now, Goku get so much stronger that he is capable of destroying a macrocosm in 3 punches (clashes with beerus). ( DBZ universe is a macrocosm. ) and after that he absorbs the power of that of 1/3 of a macrocosm into his base form. Currently Goku is around and 4th dimensional. So, no WBH would not beat Goku.

And the sky-fathers are comparable to a Resurrection F Goku, as shown in Odin's fight with Infinity, he is shown to be universal, which is much better than any of WBH's feats.

In short, sky-fathers and DBZ's Goku Vegeta, and everyone above them, would destroy hulk easily.

Delusional DBZ fan at 12 o' clock.

Isnt Hulk cannonized as Immortal now?

Many people put him at mid/high herald, but I honestly would put at Low Herald, depending on how heralds are classified now, he may be a High one!

High herald level.

Hulk has been compared to almost every high end abstract from Celestials, to the power gem, a Celestial holding back machine, a Celestial killing Machine, Galactus, Phoenix, hell, even the Beyonder brought up his unlimited power, In-betweener and the list goes on. Green Scar could similarly shit on Herald level without having going to World Breaker. Heck, sometimes Pak had his base as beyond Herald level.

I honestly would like to know what stats (besides casual planet busting) put him at high herald tier!

A Bannerless Hulk cracked the armor of Onslaught with one punch,a guy comparable with Celestials in power;WBH stomped Lord Armageddon,who defeated SS by redirecting his power cosmic against him and pulverized a planet full of mindless ones and amped versions of bi beast and wendigo with gamma bursts and then destroyed the planet and a nearby moon indirectly fighting RSH,so Herald Level easy

The answer is simple still below superman :)

Let me see a combine might of two hulks to break one planet ?

A weaken superman almost no powers to break a planet.

Figure that out :)

Nah.

You do realize it's massively more impressive and requires massively more energy to break something indirectly then directly right? In fact the whole feat was calculated and it's insanely impressive

Assuming the planet has the same size and mass as the Earth (gravity seemed normal and stuff, no one commented on any difference), and the distance to the moon is the same as the Earth-Moon distance (both standard assumptions used in other calcs so far), I can find the size of the moon.

Width of the page = 2560 px = 200 degrees

Diameter of the planet = 916 px = 12,742 km = 71.5625 degrees

Via the angular size calculator, distance from the viewer to the planet = 8839.7 km.

Redoing with new angsize rules.

Panel width = 2560 px.

Finding the height is a little harder, since it's slanted, but I figured I can take the highest and lowest points and average them, I got 805 and 911 px, so the average height is 858 px.

2*atan(tan(70/2)*(2560/858) = 128.84353033005293 degrees.

(916/2560) * 128.84353033005293 = 46.10182569622206401563 degrees.

Redoing yet again.

2*atan(916/(2560/tan(128.84353033005293/2))) = 73.55923646467658698929 degrees.

Distance from viewer to planet = 8522.6 km

Visualizing a right triangle with vertices at the planet, the moon, and the viewer, we can use the Pythagorean Theorem.

Leg 1 (Planet to viewer) squared + leg 2 (planet to moon) squared = hypotenuse (moon to viewer) squared.

8522.6^2 + 384,000^2 = hypotenuse^2

Distance from viewer to moon = 384,094.5648 km

The moon is 180 px across, which equals 14.0625 degrees.

Using the angular size calculator again (this time to solve for size), we get a diameter of 94,746 km.

(180/2560) * 128.84353033005293 = 9.05931072633184664063 degrees

2*atan(180/(2560/tan(128.84353033005293/2))) = 16.71358557148778773881 degrees.

Diameter = 112,840 km.

Wow, this thing is big. In fact, it would be more proper to call the body the Hulk was on the moon, and this one the planet. I guess that makes sense, since the smaller body to the upper left could be another moon of this planet.

As it has a solid surface and is cracking, it's not a gas giant. Let's say it has the same density as Earth, which would make sense.

Using the gravity calculator (along with the more accurate 5.515 g/cm^3 for Earth's density), we get a surface gravity of 8.89 gs.

Going to the planetary parameters calculator and inputting the values, we get a GBE for this planet of 1.227e37 joules. But this thing was busted as a side effect of the explosion. So what we need to do is first find its surface area. Surface area of a sphere = 4 * pi * r^2. So the surface area is 28,201,463,312 km^2. Divide this in half so we have only the surface area facing the moon the Hulk was on, 14,100,731,560 km^2.

As Fluttershy pointed out, it would be more accurate to use a circular area.

Radius = 56,420 km = 56,420,000 m.

Area of a circle = pi * r^2. Area = 1.000036926e16 m^2.

Divide the GBE of the planet by this value, to get 1.226954693e21 j/m^2.

Now to find the surface area of a sphere with a radius equal to the distance from the planet to the moon. Earth/Moon distance that I'm using = 384,000 km (this one seems more accurate). Surface area of a sphere = 4 * pi * r^2. Surface area of the sphere = 1,852,986,745,000 km^2. This equals 1.852986745e18 m^2. Multiply this by 1.930394275e20, and we get 2.273530784e39 joules. Divide this in half, since only half of the feat was done by the Hulk, for the final value of 1.136765392e39 joules, or ~271,693.4493 yottatons.

Wow, major upgrade

Keep in mind Worldbreaker Hulk can effectively spam punches of this level.

The planet Superman busted was so small the crater that was about 5 meters wide was actually visible from far away space, that is why when Sueprman was sundipped later on he could only leave a continent size crater in a Earth sized planet and was unable to destroy it.

Figure that one out :_)

Why do you low ball Hulk so much that you just don't like him?

World breaker hulk also imply to when he at some point grew more than 80 feet tall and he was still holding back. Superman doesn't stand a chance against that giant Hulk

wbh is honestly an interesting character to gauge strength as he is stronger than some people give credit but weaker than other say.

So just for starters: I have seen feats like his be calced at easely planet level ,Frieza´s destruction of planet vegeta , but he was aiming at the planet. Shockwaves are by definition much times weaker than the force that makes them and get weaker with the distance that they go. The power needed to destroy and vaporize things are very different so just as i said many times the power needed to vaporize a human is small building level, the power to kill one? much less than that

So let's look at the context: Hulk did this with “help” from Red Hulk. However he outputted half the strength necessary to not only bust a planet and a moon but did this without touching it in a way that vaporized it so his shockwaves are prob star level. In doing so he vaporized some characters that were on pair with savage Hulk and amped 1000 times…

I have seen people argue that Thanos could beat him, not even close. Thanos would be beaten/had a good fight with no way of winning by strength against the 100x savage hulk much less 1000. Hulk vaporized them

Wbh is teambuster lvl

Stronger than the characters listed in the OP. He's somewhere between high herald lvl and teambuster.

@takenstew22: he is in no way stronger than a stable sentry my guy

What's the difference between a stable Sentry and an unstable Sentry? Cause WWH stalemated him.

@takenstew22: well........lets just say sentry, when unstable, is laughed at by hercules and sentry, when stable, can beat a fully powered void.

Hmmm.