BvS Wonder Woman's Origin

It has been confirmed that WW is in fact Zeus's daughter BvS. It was confirmed in a interview with it's producer Charles Roven. Here is the link.http://comicbook.com/2014/10/13/wonder-womans-demigod-origin-in-batman-v-superman-confirmed/

I really don't that idea. I think Diana will be viewed as a Thor copycat by the public. What do you think?

Good, honesty, I never cared for Wonder Woman before the New 52 version came along.

The Demi god idea is overused and unoriginal. Sounds about right for DC these days. They're making it really hard to like them. Disappointing.

@darkman61288: really? casual view thor as marvel superman and wonder woman as the female superman so really

@pokeysteve: read this https://twitter.com/boynerdgeek/status/521715289260449793

I'm glad I like her goddess origin much better to her clay one.

Demi Gods for the win

Snyder keeps up on his canon.

Well it's leagues above her and the Amazon's being descendants of Supergirl and the Kryptonians.

I have numerous concerns about Wonder Woman in the DCCU, her being viewed as Thor's copycat is not one of them, especially when the MCU turned the mythology aspect of his character into science fiction instead of fantasy.

And yet another WW forum war erupts with everyone debating which origin is better.

From what I've seen the WW fandom hasn't been as united since Azz started his run. Also, this means we might get a First Born movie

I think magic can still be a thing. But they have to tie it in with the Rock of Eternity and Shazam

I don't disagree, I'm just saying that Thor in the MCU deals more in the cosmic area so as long as WB emphasizes the fantastical elements of Greek mythology, she won't and shouldn't be looked at as a Thor copycat.

I worry about Wonder Woman being perceived as a Superman supporting character because she's portrayed like that in the comic book world and she's about to debut in Hollywood in a supporting role. We should also be prepared to see Superman save her life, her not being able to fly...

I'm not surprised by this choice ... it's simple and doesn't take up much time for a movie where she is a secondary character. I'm actually more surprised that it's getting addressed at all in BvS

Hmm... Not bad.

Good, no need for a needlessly complicated origins they have to spend time one explaining.

I really wish they just hadn't addressed it. Better to vaguely say that her powers come from gods then save the more in depth explanation for her solo film. Leave the derision up to that director so they can pick what's best for the character rather then just what's the quickest to explain.

I agree ... it seems rather limiting to a potential solo film to give an origin for her here. But maybe this will just mean she is playing a more significant role in the film.

i told you guys this is the route they were gonna go. azz for the win

Poor Hippolyta

She gets raped by her uncle Hercules.

She gets raped by her father Ares and has a son

She gets raped by her uncle Theseus and has a son.

Then she falls in love with her grandfather Zeus and has Diana.

@jestersjoker: Who the eff is Hercules? You mean Heracles.

Her father is.....Zeus?

Really. I read this as, "This is the character we're going with." Not that they're going to sit and explain it there in the movie. Plus, who knows. Even if they do give the origin here, that's less exposition for her solo movie and more time that can be better spent.

you are making the assumption that Hippolyta is actually Ares' child ... that is unconfirmed

Agreed. It makes her a total Hercules knockoff.

I'd rather see them take care of the leaving the island part of the origin in BvS. Have Steve Trevor as her military escort. At some point it will just be casually mentioned that he's the one that crashed on her island and brought her back with him. Leave the decision of how she was born up to the director of her solo movie.

As for how much time it would take from her solo film I think they could knock out the history of the Amazons, and the details of Diana's birth pretty quickly with a monolog maybe accompanied some Greek styled animation. At the end of in the screen switches to live action to show that the whole monolog was Hippolyta telling a young Diana the story of their people. After that you could jump forward to modern time without much time wasted. I'd like to see a few more flashbacks of her growing up, and maybe the tournament, but those aren't necessary.

My reasons for hating her origins aren't the same as that dudes. I hate it because it's generic and repetitive. Clash of the Titans, Percy Jackson, Thor and two Hercules movies. Her clay origin was unique and meaningful.

The old readers like old WW and the new readers like new WW. I'd rather see Pre 52 Ares than First Born.

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

@pokeysteve said:

The Demi god idea is overused and unoriginal. Sounds about right for DC these days. They're making it really hard to like them. Disappointing.

Not bitter. Just want better treatment of one of my favorite characters.

@pokeysteve: Better like more original or like more another period of WW?, because Snyder goes fundamentalist on keeping thing like the comics he likes.

In my opinion sucking her into the soap opera that is the Greek Pantheon is the opposite of interesting. Her dynamic with the gods was much better before.

You mean when she just got on her knees and followed orders whenever one of them appeared?

I think there was more conflict when the gods were freaking gods, and not nerfed down to average villains. Things seemed more intense when she had to navigate the political minefield caused by the drama caused by these beings who were more powerful then pretty much anything else around including herself. I think dynamic worked better when she was more of an outsider, and the power gap made it all the more significant when she had to stand up to them.

Sure she showed the gods more reverence, but she stood up to them plenty of times. It was just more more complex relationship because back then the gods were actually gods so she had to pick and chose her battles and sometimes do their bidding if it was for the greater good.

1. I would argue against that being the reality of the Post-Crisis world. Mostly because Ares was pretty much the only one of the Olympians she ever fought, but also because the rest of them appeared so rarely and did so very little. Like Rucka was one of the more god-heavy writers, and all his did was point Diana at stuff they wanted done.
2. She stood up to Ares, as she was born and raised to do, the rest acted more or less like MMO questgivers. So no, I dont think it was complicated at all, it was a case of deity vs supplicant.

To this, the Olympians were by the Greeks imagined as being very human in the way they acted (they were personifications of various aspects of humanity after all). So in that regard, Azzarello is closer to the originals than anyone else.

@outside_85: There have been a lot of writers who didn't write the interactions for the gods very well, but I feel that the presents Azzarello has set for how the gods work in this continuity will hamper things even more.

- TAS

Why? Because now they actually interact with the world rather than sit around on Olympus all the time?

But please enlighten me here; how would you want them to be written/depicted? (A specific run? A movie?) How should their divinity be depicted?

That was a smart move by Marvel. The general public doesn't think that sci-fi concepts like aliens can't be involved with mythology and fantasy. Which is one of my concerns that the WW movie will fail at the box office.

I love it when people try and speak for the general public.

Why then did Marvel change the mythology into sci-fi?

It was the easiest and quickest way for the MCU to its cosmic elements, therefore making films like GOTG easier to fit in. It couldn't be due to public pressure because audiences were fine with Thor I which had some sci-fi elements, still tried to establish mythology and fantasy in the MCU as well as the Avengers which had Thor viewed as a demi-god (instead of an alien) in it. But you are still in no position to speak for the general public.

It was changed it into science-fiction because that is how Jack Kirby envisioned gods had always been, taking pages from Assimov and whoever wrote Chariot of the Gods. As far as Marvel's Thor is concerned, it is in-character for it to be that way. But Kirby never wrote Wonder Woman, and he never had the kind of creative control over DC that he had at Marvel, hence why gods in DC can't figure out if they are in the sci-fi or fantasy genre.

@outside_85: That's a good point about Jack Kirby's vision of the Gods. The guy who wrote Chariot of the Gods is Eric von Daniken, aka the swiss guy from Ancient Aliens.

@outside_85: I must agree with you ... Azzarello's take in the gods gives them much more potential than previous iterations Post-Crisis. Many interesting ways they can be incorporated into the budding DCCU and I would love to see some Easter Eggs dropped in BvS ... Strife could easily play a role in BvS or even Ares if they choose to keep him alive. I'd much rather see antagonistic gods than a bunch of toga wearing observers of the world #snooze

@csg_cl: If you so much prefer a more progressive version of WW (ie. Azzarello), then why use a user icon such as one that has an equal sign on WW's chest? That pic implies that WW and the whole idea of her character is all about equality. Its not.

That's more of a Perez notion. Perez, who really didn't get it.