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#1 Posted by Regal_Rumble_Man (885 posts) - - Show Bio
I like mr $20
I like mr $20

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#2 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (21617 posts) - - Show Bio

Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

My favorite American President would be a tie between Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. They're buddies too.

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#3 Posted by thespideyguy (2770 posts) - - Show Bio

The first Bush

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#4 Posted by guttridgeb (4881 posts) - - Show Bio

Lincoln had a great hat.

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#5 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3296 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex Luthor

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#6 Edited by FalconPuuunch (947 posts) - - Show Bio

JFK because of Operation Northwoods. I wish current presidents had his backbone. This country would be a better place.

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#7 Posted by rolldestroyer (3544 posts) - - Show Bio

definitely Lincoln.

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#8 Edited by Edamame (30313 posts) - - Show Bio

John F. Kennedy.

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

Also, he, along with Khrushchev, helped save the world from nuclear desctuction.

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#9 Posted by ImmortalOne (4064 posts) - - Show Bio

Abraham Lincoln, he freed slaves, fought for racial equality, had an awesome beard... and let's not forget how he slayed vampires.

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#10 Edited by Rogan2112 (600 posts) - - Show Bio

George freakin Washington. Not perfect by any means, but the man had integrity, intelligence, courage, foresight, humility, the ability to govern as justly as possible, and even more importantly, the ability to give it up when he didn't have to. (Sorry @immortalone I liked me some Abe..however...he only freed the slaves pretty much because he had to, he wasn't fighting for civil rights, he was fighting for federal rights...agree though, he had a tight beard ...and a lot of other really good stuff actually)

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#11 Posted by GunGunW (1020 posts) - - Show Bio

Washington, Lincoln, Reagan

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#12 Posted by Xanni15 (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

Calvin Coolidge

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#13 Posted by Xanni15 (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

What's wrong with that?

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#14 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (21617 posts) - - Show Bio

@xanni15 said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

What's wrong with that?

A number of things.

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#15 Edited by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

My favorite American President would be a tie between Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. They're buddies too.

Franklin Roosevelt was an asshole. He f****d over most of Eastern Europe by basically giving them to Stalin. He was also the closest thing America's had to a dictator.

Teddy Roosevelt on the other hand was pretty awesome. Even though he was a manipulative jerk sometimes, he ultimately helped America a lot, and he was a really badass motherf****r, too.

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#16 Edited by InnerSuperman (897 posts) - - Show Bio

honest Abe

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#17 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (21617 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamftw said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

My favorite American President would be a tie between Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. They're buddies too.

Franklin Roosevelt was an asshole. He f****d over most of Eastern Europe by basically giving them to Stalin. He was also the closest thing America's had to a dictator.

Teddy Roosevelt on the other hand was pretty awesome. Even though he was a manipulative jerk sometimes, he ultimately helped America a lot, and he was a really badass motherf****r, too.

How did he give Stalin to Eastern Europe?

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#18 Posted by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Posted by jloneblackheart (7013 posts) - - Show Bio

James A Garfield

Seriously Read about him. He was a remarkable human being.

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#21 Edited by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: It was when he met with Stalin at the Yalta Conference, and when they negotiated, he kind of let Stalin have many of the Eastern European countries that were under the power of the Soviet Union.

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#22 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (21617 posts) - - Show Bio

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@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: It was when he met with Stalin at the Yalta Conference, and when they negotiated, he kind of let Stalin have many of the Eastern European countries that were under the power of the Soviet Union.

Wow I didn't know that.

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#24 Posted by Edamame (30313 posts) - - Show Bio

It was when he met with Stalin at the Yalta Conference, and when they negotiated, he kind of let Stalin have many of the Eastern European countries that were under the power of the Soviet Union.

I never understood why America and the other Allies (especially Britain and Canada) gave aid to the Soviet Union during World War II, especially if the Soviet Union was more than capable of defeating Nazi Germany on its own. It's not like the Soviets were any better than the Nazis. So, giving support to the Soviets was very unethical and nonsensical. I mean, why would America (a Capitalist country) assist the former Soviet Union (a Communist country)? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Just imagine if America's Marshall Plan also extended to Eastern Europe. I wonder how different Eastern Europe would be today if that happened.

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Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

What's wrong with that?

Well, that relocation of thousands of Native Americans to Oklahoma was forced. So, that certainly was not very nice. Also, some say that he held pro-Slavery sentiment as well.

George freakin Washington. Not perfect by any means, but the man had integrity, intelligence, courage, foresight, humility, the ability to govern as justly as possible, and even more importantly, the ability to give it up when he didn't have to. (Sorry @immortalone I liked me some Abe..however...he only freed the slaves pretty much because he had to, he wasn't fighting for civil rights, he was fighting for federal rights...agree though, he had a tight beard ...and a lot of other really good stuff actually)

I agree with all of this. Some people don't fully understand President Lincoln.

I also wonder what George Washington would think of current-day America, if he were still alive.

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#25 Posted by Xanni15 (6791 posts) - - Show Bio
@edamame said:

Well, that relocation of thousands of Native Americans to Oklahoma was forced. So, that certainly was not very nice.

It wasn't very nice but it certainly could have been a lot worse. Of course it should have been handled better but they had to move.

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#26 Posted by The Stegman (35516 posts) - - Show Bio

Lincoln with Thomas Jefferson as a close second.

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#27 Edited by Mortium (697 posts) - - Show Bio

Jefferson.

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#29 Posted by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

@edamame: While I agree it's morally wrong to support the Soviet Union, it was to save our own asses. If we didn't support them, we'd probably end up combatting them, and that would've been awful for the U.S. That could've changed the war completely.

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#31 Posted by Rogan2112 (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamftw: Actually, at the Malta Conference, the European allies pretty much froze the U.S. out of the talks. They were like "thanks" but you don't live here so eff off. Heck, MacArthur AND Patton (though he died shortly thereafter in a freaking jeep accident) were BEGGING the Powers That Be to invade Russia while we still could).

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#32 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23390 posts) - - Show Bio

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John F. Kennedy.

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

Also, he, along with Khrushchev, helped save the world from nuclear desctuction.

Yep, this is how I see it too.

A lesser man would have bowed to the pressures of his staff and popular opinion and "nuked those commie bastards", but he held firm and didn't care if he was seen as weak. Great man.

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#33 Edited by the_tree (8608 posts) - - Show Bio

There's an alarming lack of Theodore Roosevelt in this thread. The dude was a complete stud and a great President.

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#34 Posted by EdwardWoods (74 posts) - - Show Bio
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Ronald Reagan. His wee adventure with Johnny Alpha and Durham Red in the pages of 2000 AD was one of my favourite Strontium Dog arcs, and the first time I ever heard of him.

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#35 Edited by impossibilly (921 posts) - - Show Bio

Taft, but just for the fat jokes.

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#36 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (19683 posts) - - Show Bio

@xanni15 said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

What's wrong with that?

What was wrong with destroying an entire peoples way of life? Oh well I don't know How about a number of things.

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#37 Posted by Edamame (30313 posts) - - Show Bio

While I agree it's morally wrong to support the Soviet Union, it was to save our own asses. If we didn't support them, we'd probably end up combatting them, and that would've been awful for the U.S. That could've changed the war completely.

Oh. I was under the impression that the Soviet Union was capable of defeating Nazi Germany on its own, but I guess I am wrong. I assumed that the Lend-Lease program simply helped the Soviets reach Berlin faster.


John F. Kennedy.

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

Also, he, along with Khrushchev, helped save the world from nuclear desctuction.

Yep, this is how I see it too.

A lesser man would have bowed to the pressures of his staff and popular opinion and "nuked those commie bastards", but he held firm and didn't care if he was seen as weak. Great man.

Yup. :)

Also, he was the first Irish Catholic president of the United States. So, he had to deal with that pressure as well. That shows how tough he was.

Not to sound mean-spirited, but imagine what George W. Bush would have done in such a situation. LOL "Cuba has Weapons of Mass Destruction!"

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#38 Edited by henrik (588 posts) - - Show Bio

Lincoln

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#39 Posted by krilling (2497 posts) - - Show Bio

Lincoln. He stopped the reactionary seperates and kept the democratic revolution going. Also he was one of a very few US presidents who REALLY tolerated ALL ethnicities and religious societies.

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#40 Posted by OldManDuncan (11515 posts) - - Show Bio

JFK

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#41 Edited by Rogan2112 (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@edamame: I never understood why America and the other Allies (especially Britain and Canada) gave aid to the Soviet Union during World War II, especially if the Soviet Union was more than capable of defeating Nazi Germany on its own. It's not like the Soviets were any better than the Nazis. So, giving support to the Soviets was very unethical and nonsensical. I mean, why would America (a Capitalist country) assist the former Soviet Union (a Communist country)? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

A. The Russians MIGHT have been able to defeat Germany on it's own, but that's a HUGE might. On the Eastern Front the Russians lost about 24.000,000 military and civillians, while the Germans lost about 4,300,000. The only reason the Russians were even able to mount an offensive against Germany and it's annexed countries is because America entered the war, took the pressure off the European allies, split the German forces into two relatively equal fronts, and WAY easing the pressure on Russia. The Russians (needless to say, were NOT happy) and fought their BUTTS off to grind toward Berlin. If Germany had been able to mass most of its military on either the Eastern or Southwestern fronts, they'd have taken over whichever front they massed on, left enough forces to keep an eye on the conquored territory, then sent their forces to mass and take out the remaining territory. They could have started in either direction.

B. Once WE arrived, we had no real choice but to help the Russians so they didn't fail. If THEY failed, then, as previously noted, all Germany would have to do would be leave a smallish occupying force in Russia, send all it's crack troups down into France, Belgium, Spain, and link up with whatever the Italians had left and either make the European front the longest, costliest, bloodiest war we've ever won...OR kicked our butts into oblivion, taken over England, and used it as a staging area for Germany and Japan to come after US.

Moral of the story? Politics and war make strange, if not icky, bedfellows :)

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@rogan2112: I see. Well, I never understood what the goal was, and this always perplexes me. Did the Germans plan to go all the way into Siberia or did they just want to go as far as the Ural Mountains? I doubt that they would have been able to take over the entire Soviet Union because it was by far the largest country in the world, and it had a population of at least two-hundred million (if I recall correctly). Also, if Moscow and Stalingrad both fell, would that have counted as a "defeat"? I am not so sure because I am positive that the fighting would have continued. After all, there were many reserve troops coming in from Siberia, especially since Imperialist Japan refused to attack Soviet Russia. Also, what would have happened in Germany attacked Russia in April as opposed to in June? Apparently, Mussolini's failure in taking over Greece caused that delay.

That is a very good point because the U.S. air force and the British Royal Air Force were bombing German factories that were producing tanks and aircraft, most of which were being sent to the Eastern Front. There is also the notion that Great Britain would have collapsed, but I don't think that is entirely true because the British air force and navy were superior to Germany's. The Battle of Britain demonstrated British military superiority. The only issue was with those German U-boats that were disrupting trade to the British Isles, and the Allied success in the Battle of the Atlantic secured Britain's survival. Nevertheless, Britain was really getting stretched out. Japan had plans to fully invade India and Australia, and they already attacked Australia at Darwin. Quite a bit of damage was caused to the Australian military in this incident.

Even if it came down to an unlikely "United States vs. Germany and Japan" situation, I doubt that America would have lost. American industrial power was basically number 1 in the entire world at that time.

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#43 Posted by Tacos_Kickass (844 posts) - - Show Bio

No contest on who the best is.

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#44 Posted by _Cain_ (23755 posts) - - Show Bio

Andrew Jackson was actually a pretty horrible President. He ignored the Supreme Court and kicked the Native Americans out of their land.

My favorite American President would be a tie between Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. They're buddies too.

He also saved the economy entirely, and killed the federal bank. Plus, not to come off as racist, but realistically, he wasn't out of line to kick the Indians out.

Aaaannnd, My favorite President is Thomas Jefferson

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#45 Posted by AllStarSuperman (35709 posts) - - Show Bio

FDR (he did lots and lots of great and not so great things to get out of the great depression, he gave people hope, and he actually tried, which is a lot more then i can say for the current president...)

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Regan (nuff said)

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#46 Edited by KnightRise (4811 posts) - - Show Bio

Tie between Alexander Hamilton and Ben Franklin.

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#47 Edited by spidermonkey2099 (641 posts) - - Show Bio

Abe Lincoln

Speaking of presidents, for those that haven't seen it yet, the John Adams mini-series, starring Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney as Mr. and Mrs. Adams, is really good.

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#48 Posted by sabracadabra (1093 posts) - - Show Bio

Reagan.

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#49 Posted by consolemaster001 (6935 posts) - - Show Bio

Lincoln. Without him, who would've stopped the vampires.

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#50 Posted by Owie (6048 posts) - - Show Bio

Tie between Alexander Hamilton and Ben Franklin.

In an alternate universe? Well, they were both awesome, at least.

I guess I'd go with Lincoln, maybe John Adams or Lyndon Johnson after that.