There should be a Black Flash, jus sayin......
We don't see the strongest Black Heroes in Marvel or Dc often!
Indeed.@SyIar said:
Cry me a river. There are many.. MANY other races out there that aren't even given the time of day. Sheesh.
This!!!!
@The Man of Yesteryear said:
Yeah, I noticed that. There aren't enough Indians in the NBA either. Just kidding.
@Illuminatus said:
Blue Marvel was great. Wasn't there talk of bringing him onto an Avengers roster somehow?
i want good characters with good stories that are interesting. there aren't very many black characters that standout in marvel & DC. great characters are complex like batman, spider-man, superman & have good rogue gallery like batman, spider-man & superman.
There are plenty of notable Black characters; Storm, the Black Panther, Black Lightning, Cyborg, Falcon, John Stewart, Photon, Misty Knight, plus Aqualad, Icon,and Rocket have been in Young Justice. Perhaps the most prominent aren't as strong as Superman or Thor, but Phothon, Storm, Cage, Black Lightning, and John are all pretty upper tier in terms of power.
We don't really see characters that aren't hugely popular characters or pet favorites of writers characters in Marvel or DC often as well. Marvel's last cow milker has Wolverine, Cyclops, Captain America etc plastered al over it, and Hope, who is basically reduced to a blank slate plot pusher character now. So its more accurate to say we don't see a lot of all types of characters than the strongest black characters. Depending on your definition of strong, we could say that Storm and Black Panther do an alright job of representing strong black characters.
Ultimately to get more prominent any characters, you have 3 easy rough general ways. Have them become popular and profitable naturally or and by chance. Deadpool is a good example of this. Combination of factors. Time, appearances, distinguishing characteristics, enough to justify increased exposure to help making character work. Have a writer be fond of the character. Dan Slott was fond of Blue Marvel and was going to use him in his Avengers book. Bendis was fond of Sentry, Noh Varr, etc etc and thus used them a lot. Writer uses character a lot, they become popular and profitable if they weren't already. Third and lastly, you make noise about a character. Note, some people may consider this complaining, but still, you like a character and you think other people will if they know a character, make noise about them. Forums, with creators, with editors and artists, fans, people who might be fans. Note here is you also don't want people to dislike the character lol - still if a person is going to not like a character or book based on how another person praises it, probably wasn't going to be a high likelihood they were going to be supportive. Main thing here is just to raise awareness of a character or book you want more of. With time and discussion good or bad, character will slowly start increasing their odds at being used which will increase awareness which will increase use and... etc Emma Frost was suggested to Grant Morrison from a fan who thought he could use her well based on his past writings and now she is huge. Dex Star was a joke character until fans reacted positively. Quite a few writers and artists are savvy enough to know what goes down in forums and to throw shout outs to fans who are loud enough with the right messages. Talk to fellow fans, recommend good stories with your favorite characters, I see Saga and Lady Mechanika getting good word of mouth. Blog about them. Ask creators on Twitter and Formspring and tell them they would be awesome at writing etc character (but remember if you are overbearing you may just burn bridges)
@Vance Astro said:
@HumanNumber said:That wouldn't have changed my post.Well i wasn't really talking just about forums, i meant more general such as articles and opinion pieces.
Well you specifically mentioned forums, so i thought i needed to explain myself just a bit. You're right about marvel not caring what people on forums or comic news sites feel about minority characters but i think the writers might. The writers are more likely to be involved in community discussion than the heads of marvel or dc, so they may feel a slight pressure from some fan's outcry for more minority characters. I personally just don't like the topic of diversity in comics, games, tv, ect.
Shang Chi,Psylocke,Sunfire,Batgirl,Jubilee,Collective Man,Grace Choi,Armor,Hazmat,Jolt etc.What about us Asians? Hiro Nakamura is embarrassing and doesn't count
How about Romani other than Doom?Nightcrawler,Nightwing,Meggan,Scarlet Witch,Quicksilver,Skein,Obviously Gypsy.
@spiderbat87 said:Since when has Dick been Romani?How about Romani other than Doom?Nightcrawler,Nightwing,Meggan,Scarlet Witch,Quicksilver,Skein,Obviously Gypsy.
@utotheg38: Yea but the most prominent Romani character being a mass murdering megalomaniac is not cool
Kind of but not really.This topic is still being discussed???........
@Enemybird said:
Yup.Ba zing! thanks for the list
Excalibur,Dust,Arabian Knight,Sabra,I think Black Adam is also technically middle eastern.What about Middle eastern characters? HUH?!
*Waits for list*
@utotheg38 said:
@Enemybird said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
They have blue beetle!
That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....
@Vance Astro said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:What about'em?What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.
@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
@utotheg38 said:
@Enemybird said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
They have blue beetle!
That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....
@Vance Astro said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:What about'em?What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.
@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.
That's because the white man wants us to know blacks are second to him only. :O
@utotheg38 said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
@utotheg38 said:
@Enemybird said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
They have blue beetle!
That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....
@Vance Astro said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:What about'em?What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.
@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.
That's because the white man wants us to know blacks are second to him only. :O
And that's fine as long as the blacks know this and accept it just like the rest of us.
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
@utotheg38 said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
@utotheg38 said:
@Enemybird said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
They have blue beetle!
That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....
@Vance Astro said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:What about'em?What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!
I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.
@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.
That's because the white man wants us to know blacks are second to him only. :O
And that's fine as long as the blacks know this and accept it just like the rest of us.
But aren't Hispanics just black people? (Rhetorical)
I don't get why it's odd.White Hetero Male characters still almost completely dominate comicbooks.Yes we are represented more often the Hispanics or Asians and many other minority groups but we are still under-represented.That's the point.The fact that other races aren't as well doesn't mean that black people can't have a problem with it.I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.
@Vance Astro said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:I don't get why it's odd.White Hetero Male characters still almost completely dominate comicbooks.Yes we are represented more often the Hispanics or Asians and many other minority groups but we are still under-represented.That's the point.The fact that other races aren't as well doesn't mean that black people can't have a problem with it.I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.
You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.
Southeast Asian characters? None? Hmpf!
Rant rant ranty ranty rant! Raaaaant! WTF?!?!? Race rant! Rant! Raaaaaaaaaaaaaantyyyyy rant! Whinney rant!
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.
I agree that nobody should be complaining about this but your comparison to NBA is quite flawed. I mean the other colors are not very much represented in NBA because they don't excel that much compared to the black dudes. But in comics, people are in direct control who gets to be represented and not. Again, I'm not arguing against you. I just thought the analysis was a wee bit erred.
@ssejllenrad said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.
I agree that nobody should be complaining about this but your comparison to NBA is quite flawed. I mean the other colors are not very much represented in NBA because they don't excel that much compared to the black dudes. But in comics, people are in direct control who gets to be represented and not. Again, I'm not arguing against you. I just thought the analysis was a wee bit erred.
You're saying that non-blacks are under-represented because they don't excel themselves in the NBA, but the same can be said about the writers and creators of comic book characters, right? I'm sure minorities could excel themselves more into the comic business if they wanted to. I have never heard of any biases in the industry based on skin color.
@NlGHTCRAWLER: Well the thing in comics is that there is this standing status quo that has already been established and is not that easy to topple. Writers may want to excel in representing the minorities but the established (caucasian-hetero) characters are still more popular. In sport, you may be an establishment but you expire. And they get replaced by the next generation. In the case of basketball, the blacks still do represent the bulk of athletes despite any generation. Just my 2 cents.
This is the most ridiculous comparison ever.You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music,
@ssejllenrad said:
Why shouldn't anyone complain?I agree that nobody should be complaining about this
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
Nobody is upset though....You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
I'm sure this isn't something any industry would openly admit.I have never heard of any biases in the industry based on skin color.
@ssejllenrad said:
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:
You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.
I agree that nobody should be complaining about this but your comparison to NBA is quite flawed. I mean the other colors are not very much represented in NBA because they don't excel that much compared to the black dudes. But in comics, people are in direct control who gets to be represented and not. Again, I'm not arguing against you. I just thought the analysis was a wee bit erred.
Racism!!!!
@Vance Astro said:
@ssejllenrad said:Cascade,Bengal,Jenny Quantum,Karma,MantisSoutheast Asian characters? None? Hmpf!
Wow! I'm happy now.
@Vance Astro said:
@ssejllenrad said:I agree that nobody should be complaining about this
I don't believe complaining changes things. If there is wrong, then something must be done about it aside from whining about it. If not, just let things go.
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