Ya i know his team is struggling right now, but Kobe is the greatest and yes he beats MJ he beats LJ he beats who ever played in nba ever!
Kobe and his team will make the playoffs and i hope the Lakers will win it all!
@wario1988 said:
Ya i know his team is struggling right now, but Kobe is the greatest and yes he beats MJ he beats LJ he beats who ever played in nba ever!
Kobe and his team will make the playoffs and i hope the Lakers will win it all!
I think he has yet to show that he is on Michael Jordan's level.
I'm a huge Kobe\Lakers Franchise fan but Kobe isn't the best we've ever seen. He may be the best Laker we've ever seen but he's not better than Micheal Jordan and he's not better than Lebron James and by the time Kevin Durant's career is over he will be better than Kobe as well.
Kobe is arguably the greatest player in the NBAb right now. But he is still nowhere near MJ's level.
wario 1988 is the dumbest poster in the history of forums.
No he's top 10 at best, he has so many flaws as a player that MJ didn't including...
Kobe disrupts the offence and goes into mamba mode.
He's an extremely overrated and lazy help defender.
Gets beaten by quicker younger players.
Will chuck up last second shots always even if the coach draws up a play it doesn't matter.
Bad teammate.
Takes way to many isos and has never CONSISTENTLY gotten teammates involved due to never letting the offense set. Assists are only part of the story.
And no he isn't the best Laker we've seen. Kareem and Magic were much better and did anyone forget about Wilt?
That's disrespectful. Keep comments like this to yourself.wario 1988 is the dumbest poster in the history of forums
The Lakers currently have no real offense. He didn't have this problem the first two season they got Gasol.Kobe disrupts the offence and goes into mamba mode.
He's an extremely overrated and lazy help defender.He takes some plays off, but he is a good defender.
Will chuck up last second shots always even if the coach draws up a play it doesn't matter.He SHOULD be taking the last shot.
Bad teammate.Based on?
And no he isn't the best Laker we've seen. Kareem and Magic were much better and did anyone forget about Wilt?No, they weren't. Even Magic says so.
@Vance Astro said:
@Batnandez said:That's disrespectful. Keep comments like this to yourself.wario 1988 is the dumbest poster in the history of forums
I was a horrendously dumb thing to say.
@Batnandez said:The Lakers currently have no real offense. He didn't have this problem the first two season they got Gasol.Kobe disrupts the offence and goes into mamba mode.
No, he's always done this, they just won more and used the triangle so it didn't matter as much. Watch MJ play in the triangle he only isod when the set wasn't working, the result was better percentage shots and more team involvement.
@Batnandez said:He's an extremely overrated and lazy help defender.He takes some plays off, but he is a good defender.
Good defenders don't take some plays off.
@Batnandez said:Will chuck up last second shots always even if the coach draws up a play it doesn't matter.He SHOULD be taking the last shot.
No the open person should be, his percentage sucks in this regard. Today him or Steve should but in the past the Lakers had good shooters.
@Batnandez said:Bad teammate.Based on?
Shaq left because of him, Gasol has had issues with him, Parker hated, Kwame said he was a dick, the recent Dwight drama etc...
@Batnandez said:And no he isn't the best Laker we've seen. Kareem and Magic were much better and did anyone forget about Wilt?No, they weren't. Even Magic says so.
Magic says stupid stuff all the time, if it makes him look nice than he'll say it. I've only seen hi go hard on someone hen he said Westbrook sucks and he does.
He only needs one more.Get back to me when Kobe has that many rings.
1.That's not the point. Insulting people on CV is against the rules. If you think something he said was dumb you can simply post in disagreement instead of calling him stupid.@Vance Astro said:
@Batnandez said:That's disrespectful. Keep comments like this to yourself.wario 1988 is the dumbest poster in the history of forums
I was a horrendously dumb thing to say.
@Batnandez said:The Lakers currently have no real offense. He didn't have this problem the first two season they got Gasol.Kobe disrupts the offence and goes into mamba mode.
No, he's always done this, they just won more and used the triangle so it didn't matter as much. Watch MJ play in the triangle he only isod when the set wasn't working, the result was better percentage shots and more team involvement.
@Batnandez said:He's an extremely overrated and lazy help defender.He takes some plays off, but he is a good defender.
Good defenders don't take some plays off.
@Batnandez said:Will chuck up last second shots always even if the coach draws up a play it doesn't matter.He SHOULD be taking the last shot.
No the open person should be, his percentage sucks in this regard. Today him or Steve should but in the past the Lakers had good shooters.
@Batnandez said:Bad teammate.Based on?
Shaq left because of him, Gasol has had issues with him, Parker hated, Kwame said he was a dick, the recent Dwight drama etc...
@Batnandez said:And no he isn't the best Laker we've seen. Kareem and Magic were much better and did anyone forget about Wilt?No, they weren't. Even Magic says so.Magic says stupid stuff all the time, if it makes him look nice than he'll say it. I've only seen hi go hard on someone hen he said Westbrook sucks and he does.
@King Saturn said:
Kobe Bryant is the Best NBA Player of the 21st Century... but Not Overall. I think Michael Jordan is still the Greatest.
This.
@Batnandez said:And no he isn't the best Laker we've seen. Kareem and Magic were much better and did anyone forget about Wilt?
@Vance Astro:
No, they weren't. Even Magic says so.
I take what most players with a grain of salt (they are always being modest) because if we go by that Jordan has said that Magic and Bird are just as good as him Do you believe that?Probably not. Imo Magic is the second best player to play the game behind Jordan.
I think Lebron is the second best player behind Jordan.I take what most players with a grain of salt (they are always being modest) because if we go by that Jordan has said that Magic and Bird are just as good as him. Imo Magic is the second best player to play the game behind Jordan.
@Vance Astro said:
@dccomicsrule2011 said:I think Lebron is the second best player behind Jordan.I take what most players with a grain of salt (they are always being modest) because if we go by that Jordan has said that Magic and Bird are just as good as him. Imo Magic is the second best player to play the game behind Jordan.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Maybe I'm biased because I grew up in Chicago with a giant-@$$ MJ poster on my wall of him dunking over Patrick Ewing's head, but MJ, to this point, is the greatest player of all time. I have no proof. I'm biased as all heck. I am from Chicago.
LOL @ Patrick Ewing, he was the victim of so many posters.Maybe I'm biased because I grew up in Chicago with a giant-@$$ MJ poster on my wall of him dunking over Patrick Ewing's head, but MJ, to this point, is the greatest player of all time. I have no proof. I'm biased as all heck. I am from Chicago.
@Vance Astro said:
@inferiorego said:LOL @ Patrick Ewing, he was the victim of so many posters.Maybe I'm biased because I grew up in Chicago with a giant-@$$ MJ poster on my wall of him dunking over Patrick Ewing's head, but MJ, to this point, is the greatest player of all time. I have no proof. I'm biased as all heck. I am from Chicago.
lol... I had another one with Scottie Pippen shooting a three while Ewing just stood there staring at him.
@Vance Astro said:
@inferiorego said:LOL @ Patrick Ewing, he was the victim of so many posters.Maybe I'm biased because I grew up in Chicago with a giant-@$$ MJ poster on my wall of him dunking over Patrick Ewing's head, but MJ, to this point, is the greatest player of all time. I have no proof. I'm biased as all heck. I am from Chicago.
LOL true, the time when Pippen dunked on him is arguably the greatest poster dunk ever
When Lebron's career is over he will be Jordan's equal if not better. His stats and accolades are growing at a ridiculous rate and he won't take a hiatus on top of the fact he's younger than what Jordan was when he entered the league.No one has yet to get close to MJ. He was phenomenal.
@dccomicsrule2011 said:
@Vance Astro said:
@inferiorego said:LOL @ Patrick Ewing, he was the victim of so many posters.Maybe I'm biased because I grew up in Chicago with a giant-@$$ MJ poster on my wall of him dunking over Patrick Ewing's head, but MJ, to this point, is the greatest player of all time. I have no proof. I'm biased as all heck. I am from Chicago.
LOL true, the time when Pippen dunked on him is arguably the greatest poster dunk ever
oops... I'm wrong... I had two posters of someone dunking on Ewing
@inferiorego said:
@dccomicsrule2011 said:
@Vance Astro said:
@inferiorego said:LOL @ Patrick Ewing, he was the victim of so many posters.Maybe I'm biased because I grew up in Chicago with a giant-@$$ MJ poster on my wall of him dunking over Patrick Ewing's head, but MJ, to this point, is the greatest player of all time. I have no proof. I'm biased as all heck. I am from Chicago.
LOL true, the time when Pippen dunked on him is arguably the greatest poster dunk ever
oops... I'm wrong... I had two posters of someone dunking on Ewing
LOL poor Ewing.
@Vance Astro: Wilt and Kareem are the best big men of there era unstoppable period. Magic is the best pg ever, Kobe is not the best 2 guard ever. He's not, no expert living will say Kobe is better than MJ. You could argue Jerry West was better than Kobe, 27 7 and 6. It's a toss up between those two imo. Kareem and Magic also played on one of the best teams of all time. While the 3 peat lakers were great, it was Shaq who was the best player on that team not Kobe. You're semi right in saying that the lakers current offensive woes aren't totally Kobe's fault, they need to establish the pic and roll with Dwight better but I think they can't because of his back, but that doesn't make what I said false. Kobe going into mamba mode is bad for the team. It's just fact that kobe isn't close to being as efficient with last second shots as everyone thinks. I believe Melo and Pierce rank much higher and probably Joe Johnson. I just named a slew of players that hate kobe and you're going to rationalize my point, if you have to jump through hoops to prove your point you know you are wrong.
@Vance Astro said:
@dccomicsrule2011 said:I think Lebron is the second best player behind Jordan.I take what most players with a grain of salt (they are always being modest) because if we go by that Jordan has said that Magic and Bird are just as good as him. Imo Magic is the second best player to play the game behind Jordan.
Agreed, and like you said later LeBron's only getting closer. Jordan's career is over, LeBron's is still going strong.
I think the difference in era is the cause of this. You think if Wilt had to play against centers like Shaq & Dwight he'd have those same accolades?@Vance Astro: Wilt and Kareem are the best big men of there era unstoppable period.
The best 2 guard ever may be the greatest PLAYER of the sport ever so that's not a fair comparison.Magic is the best pg ever, Kobe is not the best 2 guard ever. He's not, no expert living will say Kobe is better than MJ.
Which lends less credibility to them individually. Kobe has never played on a team that has as good a starting 5 of some of the teams they've been on.Kareem and Magic also played on one of the best teams of all time.
How could you argue that, because he had SLIGHTLY better career overall stats? You have to remember what kind of defenders Kobe has done this against in comparison. You also have to remember that Kobe has more awards and career highlights.You could argue Jerry West was better than Kobe, 27 7 and 6.
I'm completely right. The Lakers offensive woes aren't at the fault of Kobe, he pretty much IS the offense and to no fault of his own. The team has non chemistry. Kobe has given several different Lakers a chance to take those shots over the years especially as of the last couple of years, but as the SHOOTING GUARD and the player that scores the most he's going to take those shots. That's his job.You're semi right in saying that the lakers current offensive woes aren't totally Kobe's fault, they need to establish the pic and roll with Dwight better but I think they can't because of his back, but that doesn't make what I said false. Kobe going into mamba mode is bad for the team. It's just fact that kobe isn't close to being as efficient with last second shots as everyone thinks. I believe Melo and Pierce rank much higher and probably Joe Johnson.
I'm not rationalizing your point. You said Kobe Bryant was a bad teammate but only with Shaq did he do anything that ruined what they had as teammates. Kobe's relationship with those players never effected their chemistry on the court. Also you didn't name a whole slew of players who HATE Kobe you named 3. Pau and Dwight don't as far as you can prove.I just named a slew of players that hate kobe and you're going to rationalize my point, if you have to jump through hoops to prove your point you know you are wrong.
Also, Part of the Reason that Jerry West has Better Stats than Kobe is because Mr. Clutch came straight out of College into the NBA as a Starter whereas Kobe did not... plus you consider the fact that Jerry West only has 1 NBA Title whereas Kobe has 5 NBA titles... that alone puts Black Mamba over Mr. Clutch... btw, for a guy who is called Mr. Clutch, Jerry West having only 1 NBA title to show for it is kind of funny.
@Batnandez said:How could you argue that, because he had SLIGHTLY better career overall stats? You have to remember what kind of defenders Kobe has done this against in comparison. You also have to remember that Kobe has more awards and career highlights.You could argue Jerry West was better than Kobe, 27 7 and 6.
Everything reminds me of Space Jam :)@Vance Astro:
I know embarrassingly little about Basketball but doesn't that remind you of Space Jam?
Naaaaah!!!! MJ is still better. MJ is still the best. Go Michael Jackson!!!! Wait... I meant the other guy. Nyahahahahaha!
And in my opinion, Magic was still a better Laker than Kobe.
playoff per game numbers
STEALS
Jordan 2.1 Kobe 1.4
REBOUNDS
Jordan 6.4 Kobe 5.
SLAM DUNK CONTEST WINNER
Jordan 2 Kobe 0
Jordan 6 nba finals MVP Kobe 2 nba finals MVP
Jordan 10 times scoring champ of the year Kobe 2 times scoring champ of the year
@kuonphobos said:
My only question is who is the greatest NBA player that didn't play in the NBA?
too difficult to say, the NBA is the best place to be yet there are some amazing players from Argentina, China, Turkey etc who never got a chance and maybe could have made an impact. Ike of Nigeria had a terrible NBA run but his amateur impact during the Olympics is massive. It's difficult to judge who would have made it professionally if they were given the right support and started early
Kobe only did that at the end because he wouldn't have had the energy to do it the whole game. Lebron still has youth on his side.Kobe can still take Lebron so relax. 2013 East vs West All Star game is proof. Get blocked!!....TWICE! King James. Also my money is on KD-Kevin Durant, he's just evolving so fast. Getting better everytime he plays
Kobe is better than all 3 of them. ESPECIALLY Jerry West.Ever heard of Jerry West and Oscar Robertson, or Magic? Kobe is not above them. Let alone MJ
What does that have to do with basketball?I will never get past the fact that he likely got away with rape.
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