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  • Fontana School PD Purchases AR-15 Assault Weapons To Protect StudentsCBS-Losangeles 4:08The Fontana Unified School District Police Department purchased 14 AR-15 assault weapons in response …

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FONTANA, Calif. (AP) — The high-powered semiautomatic riflesrecently shipped to school police in this Southern California city look like they belong on a battlefield rather than in a high school, but officials here say the weapons could help stop a massacre like the one that claimed the lives of 26 students and educators in Connecticut just weeks ago.
Fontana Unified School District police purchased 14 of the Colt LE6940 rifles last fall, and they were delivered the first week of December — a week before the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Over the holiday break, the district's 14 school police officers received 40 hours of training on the rifles. Officers check them out for each shift from a fireproof safe in the police force's main office.
Fontana isn't the first district to try this. Other Southern California districts also have rifle programs — some that have been in operation for several years. Fontana school police Chief Billy Green said he used money from fingerprinting fees to purchase the guns for $14,000 after identifying a "critical vulnerability" in his force's ability to protect students. The officers, who already wear sidearms, wouldn't be able to stop a shooter like the one in Connecticut, he said Wednesday.
"They're not walking around telling kids, 'Hurry up and get to class' with a gun around their neck," the chief said. "Parents need to know that if there was a shooter on their child's campus that was equipped with body armor or a rifle, we would be limited in our ability to stop that threat to their children."
Some parents and students, however, reacted with alarm to the news that school resource officers were being issued the rifles during their shifts. The officers split their time between 44 schools in the district and keep the rifles in a safe at their assigned school or secured in their patrol car each day before checking the weapon back in to the school police headquarters each night.
"If the wrong person gets ahold of the gun, then we have another shooter going around with a gun. What happens then, if that situation occurs?" said James Henriquez, a 16-year-old sophomore who just enrolled at Fontana High School this week after moving from Texas.
Other students said they felt disillusioned that officials would spend money on semiautomatic rifleswhile the district eliminated its comprehensive guidance counseling program two years ago.
"They should get guns, but not as many and not spend so much money on them," said student Elizabeth Tovar. "They should use the money to get back our counselors because a lot of us really need them."
The district saved millions by restructuring guidance services, said Superintendent Cali Olsen-Binks.
"I understand that people are looking at the layoffs, but $14,000 and $7 million is a huge disparity," she said.
The 40,000-student district came up with the school rifle program after consulting with top school safety experts and looking at what other large districts had done, said Olsen-Binks.
Santa Ana Unified School District, in nearby Orange County, has had a rifle program for about two years that operates similarly to the one Fontana has started, said police Cpl. Anthony Bertagna.
The Los Angeles School Police Department also deploys rifles to its officers as needed, the department said in a statement. It would not say how many rifles district police have but said the weapons are kept in the department's armory and are handed out and returned daily.
The San Bernardino City Unified School District police force purchased four Bushmastersemiautomatic rifles last July, said Linda Bardere, a district spokeswoman.
Fontana is a city of about 200,000 people east of Los Angeles.
"I came from a teaching background, and it's appalling to think that we'd have to have security officers — let alone armed police officers — on our campuses. But the bottom line is ... everybody has anxiety over school safety right now," Olsen-Binks said. "Our police officers said they would take a bullet for these kids and because they are willing to put their lives on the line, they need to be equipped for all scenarios."
Only sergeants are authorized to check out the rifles from the police armory, where they are kept. All officers have been trained for years to use the rifles.
The Fontana rifle purchase did not require approval from the school board but member Leticia Garcia said she believes there should have been a public discussion before they were purchased.
"We're talking about a war-zone rifle, and so are we going to militarize our public schools?" Garcia asked. "We have to provide a safe haven for people to learn ... but this, to me, seems a little bit too much."
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#3 Posted by DH69 (4324 posts) - - Show Bio

god bless Murica, if it wasnt for your country people would have nothing to compare insanely stupid ideas to.

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#4 Posted by MrDirector786 (43920 posts) - - Show Bio

No

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#5 Posted by FalconPuuunch (947 posts) - - Show Bio

@DH69: Damn straight! We are insanely awesome you jelly belly.

(i'm just going to ignore the stupid part because there is no punch button on my keyboard)

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#6 Posted by INLIFE (1614 posts) - - Show Bio

I love this planet, its inhabitants other than humans, our entire system, and its shining star.

....I am not so sure about us.

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#7 Posted by KingOfAsh (3935 posts) - - Show Bio

No. It would only make kids feel more enprisoned, and build up more desire to escape violently. Others may find more desire to renact a video game, with more people with guns around.

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#8 Posted by TERMINATORFAN (1252 posts) - - Show Bio

Was this made to be a troll thread?

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#9 Posted by Jean199999 (571 posts) - - Show Bio

Forget Stealing exam papers, now our local Flash Thompson can sneak into the officers' room and get his hands on that sweet sweet firepower.

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#10 Posted by Aronmorales (9735 posts) - - Show Bio

Ooooooooooooooh bloody hell.

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#12 Posted by KnightRise (4811 posts) - - Show Bio

No, way too many risks.

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#13 Posted by ms__omega (5011 posts) - - Show Bio
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No its a terrible idea take a look at this vid the guy in it is a trained cop teaching a gun safety class even if you are trained the gun can still go off and injure someone.....

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#14 Posted by TheHulk (848 posts) - - Show Bio

You crazy. Hulk know what it like to be bombarded with puny guns. Hulk don't want schools to have guns because what if teacher got angry for being fired for some odd reason. Then bam another shooting.

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#15 Posted by Xanni15 (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

Absolutely, don't deny people their right to bear arms, even pre-schoolers! The Constitution >>>>>>>>Your Opinion. Arm everybody.

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#16 Posted by Agent9149 (3519 posts) - - Show Bio

Well that is dangerous and stupid and will lead to more problems than solutions. The sight of an armed guard holding an assault rifle is beyond frightening to a child.

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#17 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

Absolutely, don't deny people their right to bear arms, even pre-schoolers! The Constitution >>>>>>>>Your Opinion. Arm everybody.

That statement just made me imagine a crook takes an elementary school hostage. Walks in a class room with a gun, turns around and locks the door behind him only to turn back around and a class-room full of guns pointing at him...

Owww!!!

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#18 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3948 posts) - - Show Bio

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No its a terrible idea take a look at this vid the guy in it is a trained cop teaching a gun safety class even if you are trained the gun can still go off and injure someone.....

Why in the world would an instructor teach with a loaded weapon in a class room?

Or a real weapon at that...

He could of used a plastic toy gun to demonstrate what he was talking about. He didn't need to prop a real gun, let alone one that is loaded.

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#19 Posted by Xanni15 (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@Xanni15 said:

Absolutely, don't deny people their right to bear arms, even pre-schoolers! The Constitution >>>>>>>>Your Opinion. Arm everybody.

That statement just made me imagine a crook takes an elementary school hostage. Walks in a class room with a gun, turns around and locks the door behind him only to turn back around and a class-room full of guns pointing at him...

Owww!!!

Owned!

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#20 Posted by GhostofOnyx (675 posts) - - Show Bio

Just no. That's a pretty stupid idea

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#21 Posted by Frozen (20526 posts) - - Show Bio

@GhostofOnyx said:

Just no. That's a pretty stupid idea

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#22 Posted by isaac_clarke (5950 posts) - - Show Bio

Arizona is pushing out worse with their armed volunteer posse trained by Steven Seagal and a frighteningly less of a damn that give about even giving these folks some measure of a background check.

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#23 Posted by Blood1991 (8115 posts) - - Show Bio

Congratulations you just gave the quiet kid waiting to snap an easily accessible weapon and the "moment of passion" excuse.

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#24 Posted by jeanlucpicard (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

Well now theres an awesome idea to create more casualties for school shootings.

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#25 Posted by KnightRise (4811 posts) - - Show Bio

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@Ms. Omega said:

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No its a terrible idea take a look at this vid the guy in it is a trained cop teaching a gun safety class even if you are trained the gun can still go off and injure someone.....

Why in the world would an instructor teach with a loaded weapon in a class room?

Or a real weapon at that...

He could of used a plastic toy gun to demonstrate what he was talking about. He didn't need to prop a real gun, let alone one that is loaded.

I'm not looking to debate. But your explanation is exactly why I'm against the idea. Its highly difficult to gaurantee without a doubt that those responsible for the armed guards are even competant. Clearly the instructor here was not too bright and/or no one thought to mandate the demonstration. Cops, mind you. Even throrough background checks and psych evaluations aren't foolproof. I know the guards in the article are cops, but what happens when if the local PD can no longer provide services? Where would schools have to turn to? Its even worse. Poorer school districts likely couldn't afford the extra staff , let alone background checks during the hiring process. What happens when one of the guards is too gung ho, or imbelished his/her credentials, or is psychotic? Like I said above, too many risks IMO.

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#26 Posted by Bushwhacker_ (597 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

But trained security guards with pistols is a good idea.

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#27 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5730 posts) - - Show Bio

No one's going to go shooting up that place, but having assault weapons? Really?

A handgun is all that's necessary, if at all.

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#28 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (30265 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrDirector786 said:

No

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#29 Posted by DCsuperman0007 (573 posts) - - Show Bio

@DH69:

i live here and you are 100% right.

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#30 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29887 posts) - - Show Bio

LMFAO

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#31 Posted by callsignneptune (114 posts) - - Show Bio

No. Not at all. More guns = more deaths. Simple.

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#32 Posted by TERMINATORFAN (1252 posts) - - Show Bio

How is this not locked?

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#33 Posted by Nefarious (31981 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#34 Posted by _Zombie_ (10572 posts) - - Show Bio

is this thread even necessary when you could have used the search function to find any of the two dozen gun control threads?

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#35 Posted by ARMIV2 (10004 posts) - - Show Bio

...What kind of *^&!@?$ moron even brought that idea up?