Biggie vs Rakim vs Mos Def vs Lil Wayne

Best Freestyler: Yassin Bey

Best Music: lil WAYNE(jokes on you)

Best Rapper: Rakim

Honestly I love Mos, Wayne, and Big. I haven't heard a lot from Rakim but I voted him best rapper because I've heard or seen several people express how Rakim is Hip Hop's greatest lyricist.

I love Mos' freestyles more than anyone here maybe more than anyone ever.

Although Wayne has made a lot of songs I don't like he also has made a lot of songs that I do like. Biggie does have classics though and so does Mos. I dunno the more I think about it the harder it is. Mos, Big, and Wayne all have songs I love and a list of songs I find forgettable.

We all know Pac is the greatest over all though.

@dccomicsrule2011:

None of them,

Tyler the Creator beats all with this....

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Why isn't DOOM on the list?

Best Freestyler: B.I.G. or Yasiin

Better Music: B.I.G. or the God

Best rapper: The God

Ra is all braggadocio, that his primary subject matter.

Tyler the Creator is average.

@dboyrules2011: sales aren't everything we're talking skillwise and Ye is good but he ain't f*cking with Biggie, Ra or Mos Def he better than Wayne now but not when Gillie was cowriting his stuff.

lol @ people commenting on something that was posted over a year ago.

Would put Ye on par with Ra, Big, & Def. Subjact matter wise he is, and he revolutionized Hip-Hop and influenced so many MCs.

@jnr6lil: I agree, especially when you add in the fact Yeezy is also a pretty good producer....

I wonder if Biggie was still alive would he still be The King of New York ?

@wavemotioncannon: Why would you comment on something i said over One year ago? In terms of skill, Mos Def and Rakim are better i agree with that. Ye colud be better than B.I.G. As an artist i would take Yeezy over Mos Def and Rakim Wayne never was on Ye level as an artist or as a Rapper.

@dboyrules2011: because I just saw thread today, never looked at the date just like others that posted today. I kinda agree about Ye over Ra overall but not lyrically.

@king_saturn:

He seemed to be doing a mix of pop-music and street rap in Life After Death. Kinda like Jay-Z's done his whole career. Who knows? He might've been NY's top MC....Hov and Nas might never have the popularity they got now.

@king_saturn: I think he would, I doubt if anyone would have took his title away..........well popularity wise at least.

Biggie

RAKIM

@veshark: Reasonable Doubt wasn't a pop album.

Reasonable Doubt is the sole exception....my point is that Hov's mix of both street and pop records was something that BIG did too, so that could've been the trajectory Biggie's career could've gone were he still alive.

@veshark: Eh, Blueprint, Black Album, AG, could make an argument for In My Lifetime.

I'll give you AG, but come on, Blueprint had Izzo, Girls Girls Girls, and Jigga That Ni**a. Black Album had Change Clothes. Those are all pretty straightforward radio singles.

@veshark: Change Clothes was more of a diss against David Stern

It also had a Neptunes beat, was released as a single, and hit the Billboard Top 10.

Also, it wasn't exactly a diss against David Stern, just that Hov was trying to change hip-hop's fashion sense, and Stern actually asked Hov to tell people to change back because his throwback jersey sales were dropping.

@veshark: Lot of songs make it big on the charts, doesn't mean it was directly meant for the charts

Huh? The Neptunes were one of the most popular producers in the early 2000s, the song has a Pharrell chorus, and it was released as the first single off the Black Album. Hov doesn't release a single and not expect it to chart.

@veshark: Yes but because a song was released as a single doesn't necessarily mean it's meant to be pop.

Kendrick released Swimming Pools, did he want it to blow up? Yes, but it is no ways a pop single.

Ok, I think you're missing the point of my comment. I was saying that Jay's career was built on his albums being able to cater to both radio airplay and hip-hop heads. He had tracks meant to be singles, and tracks where he showed off his lyrical skills.

When I say 'pop', I mean 'meant for the radio'. I don't see why you're being so pedantic.

Real quick: I despise the topic of sounds/songs sounding like "pop" or "underground." I truly believe it is a ridiculous subject. There are no facts to proof the reality of an interpretation. People want to say "Juicy" was a "pop" song and others want to claim it isn't. It is just a waste of a subject.

BACK ON TOPIC: I agree with VeeShark. Change Clothes pop record... Swimming Pools(DRANK) pop record.

"No it wasn't"... pop is short for Popular. You're lying if you're saying "DRANK" isn't a popular song.

"POP" and "REAL" are the two worst words to use in a conversation or debate.

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Hey!

Just dropping back in to say Tyler the Creator is Garbage. Still Not sure who Lil' Wayne is..

@veshark: Except tracks meant to be singles doesn't mean pop.

.....And you still don't get it. I'm going to drop this now.

Not to mention Hate, Run this Town, and Empire State of Mind if we wanna go Vol. 3. I like Jay-Z but I wish he would go back and make some tracks like he did on Reasonable Doubt. Dead Presidents 2 was always one of my favorite songs growing up.

@juiceboks Mm yeah. I actually like Dead Presidents 1 more though, but that's just me ;)

@veshark Haha call me crazy, but Wayne actually sounds decent on that. Maybe it's the beat cancelling him out a little bit I dunno..

Ha. Maybe you're right, I love the beat though. The piano loop with the Nas sample...really gets the loneliness and paranoia of a dealer across to the listener

Same here man. I've always been pretty partial to beats that give off that 90's South Central kinda feel. Nas, Lupe, Ice Cube and Common are pretty good at bringing that out in their songs.

Biggie wins, hands down

Freestyles don't exist imo, i never found someone say their freestyle just once

Biggie from suicidal thoughts(the use of Puff is amazing) to hardcore rap to pop music his story telling nature is just unmatched

Biggie he is # 1 or 2 all time, depending how you see Jay-Z(who surprises me not to be mentioned)