Best martial artist in ALL fiction?

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: No one jokes about Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee is no joke

@killer_of_trolls said:

Whether Deathstroke can beat Batman in a fight is not the issue here. Many, many people can beat Batman in fights, it doesnt mean they are better martial artists. You dont seem to understand this simple idea.

Deathstroke is enhanced in many ways that makes him far superior physically to Bruce. DS is faster, stronger, more durable, and can think and heal faster than a normal human. He also has enhanced senses. These are not irrelevant things.

A lot of the people mentioned so far mostly win fights because they are physically very powerful, but otherwise show no special martial abilities... which they dont really need to have when you can just punch harder and faster than your opponents. Batman on the other hand has mastered almost every martial art there is, and can often outfight, outthink, and outstrategize superhumans, aliens, and supernatural creatures who vastly outclass him.

I do understand this, even in very detailed real-life application as well. Also, it's kinda of a meh response since we have to compare somehow, Bruce has the batsuit even if it's minor enhancements are not comparable with DS's, and DS is one of the biggest Mary Sues in melee that takes on entire teams of big names, and many on the battle section would side with him by reflex. Batman had advantages in all 4 fights as I already said, but Slade has 3:1 wins against him. Also, the enhanced brain thing counts here.

Secondly, Knowing all the current martial arts made by humans isn't all that impressive considering the question in the OP, I could name many characters with that like Yuujiro, Baki, or Muhamad Ali Jr who also invent new entire martial arts. DC's Karate Kid(Val) mastered thousands of arts from other planets, Batman One Million(who I am considering for the answer), not Bruce, mastered all martial arts in existence up until 853rd century. If this mattered I could have just chosen Neo(inside Matrix) who can download'em, check the thread in the anime vice link in the OP :). There are people in the UFC/M1/SF who had more martial arts in there arsenal that lost to others who had a couple of fighting styles, because they were just generally superior fighters or younger. If your argument was logical, then Sportsmaster and Tasky should dominate DC and Marvel since they can master any movment just by watching a youtube vid, weather it's cooking, musical instruments or fighting techniques,and as they say "those who can't do, teach", so taskmaster opened an academy for villains, lol, just a fun fact.

I know Bruce Wayne is excellent, but not him or anyone in the bat family is taking this title.

EDIT: btw, please don't mention the KK vs Batman fight for obvious reasons.

big boss bruce lee

Tha is not fitcional, those movies are real even the Bruceploitation ones.

DC wise I gotta give it to Lady Shiva.

That's a bold statement to put her ahead of both Slade Wilson and David Cain, and number 1. What would you rank for Marvel. Also, I wonder if someone has anything to add from Images or Dark horse. Also, where are the novel readers?

@killer_of_trolls: Slade Wilson is a badass but he's not a top level martial artist, not really. Not like Karate Kid, Batman One Million, Cass Cain, Batman, etc. He's a highly versatile h2h fighter but I dont think you can really count him as a martial artist in comparison with the more notables. And David Cain? She stomped him out (in his prime pre-drunkered days) while pregnant.

Deathstroke is just a prime example of what most enhanced/meta-human should realistically do to Batman. Deathstroke is not a h2h expert like Batman, he's merely stronger, faster, more durable, and can analyze situations better. You can't beat someone who moves faster than you, thinks faster than you and punches harder than you. But that is besides that the point. Deathstroke is not Batman's equal when it comes to martial arts. Batman wiped the floor with Deathstroke when he was depowered.

Can I have those scans pretty please?(Both of you)

@killer_of_trolls:

Quintus pretty much summed up why I placed her above both Slade and David. Even Bruce can't beat her in a straight fight. I'm pretty sure that almost every time Bruce faces her he's forced to resort some dirty underhanded tactics just to come out alive. Now, as of post 52 I have no idea if she's still a beast. As for Marvel....I'm leaning towards Shang Chi. As for Novels....I'm gonna go with the last Duncan Idaho Ghola.

@killer_of_trolls:

@stmichalofwilson said:

Ryu, but he's more established as a video game character. I would say Batman, but that's to obvious. So I'm going to go with...

Though he has superhuman powers, he is a skilled martial artist and often trains himself to face new opponents.

So true.

Batman,simply because he is the goddamn Batman.

Was just thinking this myself. xD Tifa Lockhart's one of the coolest martial artist but I don't know how she'd rank against others.

@samimista: Sabin would beat her *ss if you ask me... :D But I think she is on par with Zell and above Snow. In comparison to comicbooks, I think Sabin is around Karate Kid level and Tifa around Iron Fist level or slightly above.

@ssejllenrad: I always forget that Snow's a fighter lol. Then again, haven't played XIII since it came out. xD

I'm surprised know one has mentioned that swordsmanship, archery ect. are considered martial arts. As it is this thread is to vague for me to decide we should limit to hand-to-hand martial arts.

My personal opinion as to the greatest fighting character, regardless of whatever anyone says:

@quintus_knightfall: Nice! She's diffenately the best in DC's present day(probably not in far future like 1Mil) in my eyes now.

@omgomgwtfwtf: What happened between the 3rd and 4th scan. His mask is randomly off?!?! This looks out of context, and DS looks more impressive. You actually raised my expectations in Slade(if you what you're saying is true that he is depowered).

No, we shouldn't! The thread name in AV has Martial Artist/fighter. So, we are deciding the best martial artist in both creativity and sportsmanship.

I haven't read his own comics, but having Tasky one shotting The Cat who is Chi's main baddy really doesn't back up that statement. Furthermore, what's the guy from that Novel done, feats? I'm really taking this seriously.

@frogdog: ROFLMAO, I agree that he's arguably the best in technique usage in the whole franchise. Yep, in the theoretical side he considerably outweighs Ken, Souther, and Raoh, however applied in a fight he won't beat any of them. He's more like those professors who did memorable research and teachings in there fields but haven't worked that much in it as a career. "those who can't do teach/write".

Since you made me laugh, here's in return:

@betatesthighlander1: Where you get the first picture from it's pretty sick?

Dolemite

Snake Eyes!

@omgomgwtfwtf: I googled "Sun Wukong"

@betatesthighlander1: I raise to you hanuman, who inspired wukong

@nerx said:

@betatesthighlander1: I raise to you hanuman, who inspired wukong

was that guy even a martial artist?

@betatesthighlander1: Yeah, fought in wars and sh!t

came before as with how Hinduism inspired Buddhism

Might throw Neo's name in there.

what are his feats?

@betatesthighlander1: fought demon kings and nearly ate the sun if not for a god's intervention

The Monkey King took on most of heaven, which would include guys like Houyi (who killed nine suns in a day one time)

@betatesthighlander1: Houyi used a weapon to do so, the word Omnipotent is thrown around with Hanuman

Houyi pretty much always has his arrows on him

and is Hanuman really omnipotent because of his martial arts?

@betatesthighlander1: he has that and martial arts

he uses a mace though

what...what was that video?

@betatesthighlander1: sun wukong vs heaven,like you said

why was it named Wukong is better than Hanuman

why was the monkey singing?

why is heaven so cheap-looking?

this sis a better version

http://bettermyths.com/monkey-king/

@betatesthighlander1: just made by a randomer

but Hanuman is avatar of Shiva, so it might be cheating

Bruce Leroy

@carter_esque said:

Bruce Leroy

I actually watched that movie three days ago, and I still loved it!

@totalbalance: Dudley is probably the best boxing fighting game character... well either him or Vanessa from King of Fighters.

In Chinese mythology Sun Wukong aka Monkey King had both martial artist and magic at his disposal and fought thousands of god warriors for a brief period until his was swarm. If that isn't a feat I don't know what is. After he was overwhelmed he created 72 clones of himself and took down the ten thousand god warriors.

What is a god warrior? Basically marvel Hercules with iron fist martial arts skills.

Anyone? Richard Dragon? Nobody?

Late reply: He did that as a baby, because he thought sun was a fruit :D

All he needs is his feat