@deaditegonzo said:
@thejman251: I
basically agree, and its funny that that Bruce Wayne article was posted today, because it really did hit on a lot of points that DC should consider. 1) Batman is a really neat character, but the way he has been handled has made it so whenever I try to read his stuff, im always equally as disgusted as entertained (same with Wolverine in fact) 2) Your Joker point is great too, I feel the same. Dont get me wrong, there are some awesome Joker stories, the Widening Gyre is a good example, but he needs an epic send off, and then that should be the end of it, imo. I think DotF COULD have accomplished this, but DC failed. 3) Batman should really be a new a guy under the cowl every so often, he is supposed to be the most relatable and human character but he isnt any more, its why I like the Nolan films, he's just a human. He needs help getting his equipment, his body gives out quicker than his spirit, etc.
But yeah I essentially agree with you.
- 1. Yes, i feel that the article was spot on in this regard by saying that the writers and editorial keep trying to hold onto Bruce Wayne instead of moving on.
- We'll have 4 Robins once Damian comes back. That's four ideal potential candidates for Batman along with their children and DC still wants to keep Bruce Wayne as Batman.
- 2. Agreed. I was fine with the joker in most of his stories, but when you give a character a magical skill set and basically make them a god in order to keep using them, that really pisses me off.
- I mean, lets look at DOTF:
- The joker walks into a police station by himself and kills most of the officers in their only armed with a knife and the only thing he had to do was turn off the lights.
- The joker knows where Jason and Kori's island is, when it's in the middle of nowhere, for no reason whatsoever. Yes, that's definitely believable. (sarcasm)
- The joker dropped off the grid for a year and the "Worlds Greatest Detective" couldn't find him.
- The Joker kidnaps Tim from his penthouse in New York. Definitely believable right?(sarcasm).
- The joker has to be standing on an adjacent building when Jason and Isabel land on the roof of her apartment. Really now?
- The joker knows that Nightwing is related to haley's circus, and he knows about Jason's and Tim's father(s). Really?
- The joker just happens to kidnap Barbara Sr. Really?
- The joker's master plan gets foiled by Bruce hitting a water pipe that happened to be above the dinner table? Really? Are you serious DC? So you make this seemingly omniscient character, and you're telling me that he didn't know that there was a water pipe above the table when it's as clear as day? DC must really expect Batman fan to put up with this inane drivel.
- This is all only from DOTF, and there are more illogical things from DOTF that i could point out but i'll end this mini rant here.
- Aside from all of that, you have a villain that has been around for years and is still here. It's clear as day Bruce doesn't have what it takes to eliminate the issue, so are we just going to read repetitive stories in which nothing is ever really solved or accomplished over and over?
- I find it funny that Bruce wants to keep gotham safe, but it hasn't gotten any safer at all. It's clear that the Joker can do whatever, and kill whomever, whenever he wants and that Bruce or the authorities will just put him back in arkham , or worse: he'll fall in the ocean or off a cliff to be seen some time again in the future. Simply wonderful.
- If DC didn't try to make this character some omniscient all powerful illogical villain with a magical skill set, then i wouldn't be having these problems with this character. Yet here we are.
- He was cool in Batman #001 when the joker was just a regular serial killer clown, and in basic stories however, there is a point at which enough is enough and i feel as though DC has crossed this point long ago.
-3. Yes, we already have Richard, Jason, Tim, and Damian (whenever he comes back) , and the rest of Batman Incorporated (unless Morrison decides to remove it's existence once his precious run is over) so i think that there are ideal candidates for Batman in the DCNU.
- It's funny that Bruce has been training four sons to replace him, but whenever we see some semblance of progress towards that, we get a reboot or someone comes back to life.
- However, i do agree with you for the most part as well.
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