Goku: What buster level is he at?

I would put Goku at Galaxy buster at SSJ3, give me your two cents

It doesn't matter how many zeroes you slap on the end of a DBZ character's power level, none of them did anything more impressive than planet busting.

@Sideslash: I'm not using PL but tell me,are you using straight feats?

@LifeShaver: Pretty much. Noone did anything more impressive than busting a planet outside of Broly's (disputed) galaxy bust.

@Sideslash: By straight feats Master Roshi is stronger than Goku, Roshi destroyed the moon. Goku hasn't destroyed anything remotely that size. If we go by straight feats Roshi is stronger than Cell. Cell never destroyed anything the size of the moon. The straight feat logic in DBZ is very flawed because in that case:

Master Roshi->Goku

Master Roshi ->Cell

@LifeShaver: Roshi is a boss.

Roshi rules all.

Don't talk sht about Roshi. He'll original Kamehameha your a$$.

@Sideslash: Word :P

Goku is no where and i mean NO WHERE near Galaxy Busting level end of story period

Consistency buster.

If Goku can breathe ut in space at ssj3, he would be barely a solar system buster.

No feats to show Goku busting anything, really. It is all mainly based on comparing Goku with other feats done by other characters at different moments of Dragonball.. Master Roshi destroying the moon in Dragonball, Piccolo destroying the moon early in DBZ, Frieza easily destroying Planet Vegeta circa Dragonball timeline, Broly destroying galaxies, Buu was said to be a casual galaxy buster but I don't think it ever showed him doing so, but his reputation was known as busting many galaxies. It's actually very difficult to explain any feats of Dragonball characters without bringing up power levels, because that's basically what they measure their power with.

If Frieza, in first form, easily destroyed Planet Vegeta, you can pretty much say Goku can also do the same when at or above Frieza's level... Same with Broly, he destroyed galaxies, and towards end of DBZ Goku is very much stronger than Broly and able to one shot Frieza and Cell (who claimed to be able to destroy a whole solar system).

Yet.. The only thing about this is its really all just assumptions and there is no proof. What I think? Yes, Goku at SS3 is definitely a galaxy buster, prove it? I can't. That's why I won't put up much of an argument in the battle threads.

A multiplanet buster.

Not a Planet buster however, Goku has beaten Planet and Universe Blasters before.

Multi-planet at best, since people still argue the legitimacy of Cell's "solar system" claim.

@Sideslash said:

It doesn't matter how many zeroes you slap on the end of a DBZ character's power level, none of them did anything more impressive than planet busting.

@King Saturn said:

Goku at best is a Planet Buster.

This

Destroy one planet = destroying 1 planet.

Destroy 8 planets = destroying practically a Solar System.

Destroy all planets in a Galaxy = practically destroyed the Galaxy

Add the stars and you'll have your answer.

@Phoenix6000: @dccomicsrule2011: @King Saturn: I'm interested to know why you believe he is a multi or planet buster,(not trying to be rude,just curious about how you came up with those assumptions)

@Sideslash said:

It doesn't matter how many zeroes you slap on the end of a DBZ character's power level, none of them did anything more impressive than planet busting.

Solar System Buster

DBZ characters never managed to destroy a planet on pure force alone (the only times when they have was because of a chain reaction that caused the destruction, not outright obliterating it).

Depending on how "planet buster" is defined, Goku may not even be planet buster.

Star buster too maybe Galaxy buster but only if you use power levels. However most people use feats because seeing is believing.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

A multiplanet buster.

Call me when any of the z fighters casaully bustbsomething ss large as jupiter or saturn. As it stands the blast radius for any of these characters never exceeds rocky plant range, muchless the distance to hit multiple planets.

Goku at best can only be a rocky planet buster.

Guess it was a mistake on my part making a topic about how strong an anime character is with all these comic fans around

@LifeShaver said:

Guess it was a mistake on my part making a topic about how strong an anime character is with all these comic fans around

Oh look, a butthurt fanboy

@innerassassin: no wear near are you seriou goku alway hold back! if it is another planet he won't hold back goku is afriad he will kill his own home that is why he hold back here is goku' trues power

goku can produce without ki 2,410,986,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 megatons after you multiply by 20 for kaio ken 50 for ssj 2 for ssj2 for ssj3 then multiplying by that again because gokus power increase at the end of z and then yet again for gt!

this is his true strenght with chi/KI

Strength:ssj4 goku can produce over 6.6 quttuordecillion megatons of force enough force to destroy a 25th of the known universe witch holds 100,000 galaxies speed:64 sextillion times the speed of light! strenght: speed: durability:

base: >1.65 tredecillion megatons base: >4.06 octillion Mps base:1.65 tredecillion Mt

ssj1: >82.5 tredecillion megatons ssj: > 203 octillion Mps ssj: 82.5 tredecillion Mt

ssj2: >165 tredecillion megatons ssj2: > 406 octillion Mps ssj2:165 tredecillion Mt

ssj3: >660 tredecillion megatons ssj3: > 1.62 Nonillion Mps ssj3;660 tredecillion Mt

ssj4: >6.6 quttuordecillion megatons ssj4: > 16.2 Nonillion Mps ssj4:6.6 quttuordecill MT

I GOT THIS FROM SCREW ATTAKE! IS NOT A THREAD! THIS IS GOKU TRUES POWER! NOW WHO WILL WIN

Goku is barely a Planet Buster, and I feel like im being REALLY generous, cause there isnt really any evidence of even that.

And Broly isnt even canon, I have no idea why anyone brought him up.

Nut

solar system busting

yes he is

With manga version:

Moon+ against raditz.

Earth level at saiyan saga: kaioken X 3 kamehameha.

Multi-star system/multi-solar system level eos.

I don't really care about the overestimation and underestimation. This seems to be the most straightforward way to go.

@death_certificate: If you you don't know anyting about dragon ball z than shut up! you should know goku alway hold back! he don't want to destroy the world by turned into ss4 on earth! ss4 goku is strong enouth to destory 100,000 thousand gaxaly! how many galaxy can galactus and superman destroy in 40 seconds problem 40 galaxy

if you want proofy go ask the internet= goku's true power click screw attack all the thing you need to know about goku is there! OK good

SSJ4 Goku is NOT CANON, and Battle of Gods basically erases it ALTOGETHER. Also, SSJ4 is weaker than Saiyan saga base level Vegeta, who said he could destroy Earth with 1 blast, whereas Golden Oozaru (the Great Monkey Baby) who pwned SSJ4 Goku COULD NOT.

Clearly, youre the one who doesnt know anything about DBZ.

iirc GT is a parallel universe/ alternate time line or something like that?

and, didn't base kid goku in GT have 'power to light up an entire galaxy'? I did skip a lot of it, though..

I don't really care about GT tbh, just adding something I remember..

His quote is called hyperbole. And there are characters who can tear dimensional walls in DBZ. Super Buu does it while fighting Vegito and while he is stuck in the Hyperbolic Time chamber for example. However that is partially why GT is SOOOOOO STUPID, because there are so many inconsistencies. Goku's child body couldnt even handle SSJ3, but in his base form he kills Omega Shenron and rips a dimension (something SSj3 could NOT do), awesome.

@deaditegonzo: And.. why is it a hyperbole?

Hyperbole (/haɪˈpɜrbəliː/hy-pur-bə-lee;^[1]Greek: ὑπερβολή hyperbolē, "exaggeration") is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.^[2]

Hyperboles are exaggerations to create emphasis or effect. As a literary device, hyperbole is often used in poetry, and is frequently encountered in casual speech. An example of hyperbole is: "The bag weighed a ton."^[3] Hyperbole makes the point that the bag was very heavy, though it probably does not weigh a ton.

He never actually powers a galaxy. He never even hows remotely that power. Thats classic Hyperbole. Just like Cell being able to destroy a Solar System.

@deaditegonzo: Suppose, for a moment, it isn't a hyperbole. What then?

And cell's statement was backed by daizenshuu ages ago lol.

Saying any DBZ character is a buster of anykind is a lie

But it is Hyperbole. Suppose for a moment I fart stars, what then?

Cell's statement has no canon support, and no DBZ character does anything like that. The most power DBZ character destroys a planet, and thats it (Buu).

@deaditegonzo: So.. if your assumption that it's a hyperbole is not true, it'll mean he's galaxy level in base, right?

cell's statement was backed by daizenshuu

If he was ever shown powering a galaxy, that would be evidence that the non-Canon DBGT base form Goku could power galaxies and that Golden Oozaru, who was "stronger" than even SSJ3 Goku, could not even destroy a planet.

So: If your assumption about the character is untrue, he's a galaxy buster. Yes, or no?

Daizenshuu is not written by Akira Toriyama. His top involvement in Daizenshuu has been interviews and writing forwards. In DBZ, only things created by Akira Toriyama are canon. Daizenshuu is just above fanfic. Show me Cell destroying a Solar Sysem, and then I will take that as a legitimate feat, until then, no dice.

@princearagorn1 said:

so, daizenshuu is not canon either, according to you?

You're just explaining your reasoning behind why it should be considered a hyperbole.

My question is simple enough. If your approach is wrong, and it's not a hyperbole, would he be a galaxy buster?

In the universe of Dragon Ball, the highest level of canon is the manga Dragon Ball. Published in Weekly Shōnen Jump in Japan, the comic was both written and drawn by Akira Toriyama. As such, it represents the ultimate and correct vision of his world as it was presented to his readers. Fortunately, the manga itself is relatively free from direct contradictions, though there are certainly some topics open for debate.

Although Viz Communications is thought to do a good job translating the manga into English by fans, the final and authoritative source is the original Japanese comic.

The second highest level of canon in Dragon Ball is the three-part anime series. Episodes often include filler, which is material that was not in the manga. This is due largely to the manga and the anime being produced in parallel; it was often necessary for the anime to add filler material to keep from getting ahead of the manga. These extended sequences often add detail to the back story. The original Japanese version is considered by some to be a more authoritative source than other dubs due to occasional translation errors.

- http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_(franchise)#Dragon_Ball_canon

Daizenshuu is as canon as video games or anything else with the DBZ title.

Once again, no. Its just a quote. If someone walked up to Spider-man and said, "Man, he could crush a star in his fist." I wouldnt take that as evidence of anything, regardless of the state of mind of the character quoted, because its just talk.