Why do people hate the X Men black suits but like the MCU suits?

So many characters like Hawkeye, Falcon and Wanda have incredibly different suits to their comic counterparts yet while they're applauded for changing why do people hate the black leather suits? I mean Falcon is gray with one stripe of color

Hawk eye is up for debate but I think falcon would look ridiculous and wandas isn't THAT far out in civil war.

falcon is wearing military equipment

@saberscar223: I'm not saying they wouldn't look ridiculous but same could be said for the X Men. Even then would it have hurt for them to make Falcon's chestplate white instead of gray? As for Wanda I get it looks very 'excentric' but still couldn't they have at least given her a head band or hoodie to mimic the crown?

Personally I think any suit can work with proper texturing and detailing. Seriously look up cosplays of Scarlet Witch there aren't plenty that look amazing without looking like a cartoon

@gamiz7: okay and?

@bastion76: the ones in first class and the one in dead pool were pretty close. And plus it was when superhero movies were becoming popular people were happy just to see wolverine and storm on screen and the costumes weren't terrible

@saberscar223: but once again people are perfectly fine with Marvel changing the suits a lot

A lot of X Men fans were upset with the black leather suits (they were even upset with Hugh Jackman being casted for Wolverine cause he's too tall)

A lot of the Avengers would looks pretty ridiculous in their comic costumes and the costumes they replace them with work and actually look good. The X-Men costumes have consistently been bad since 2000 with the exception of Deadpool. X-Men Apocalype should've taken notes from Deadpool.

PeopLe generally hate Falcon's mainstream look. They did add some flourishes that are similar to the classic design. Wanda had a headband in concept art but they ultimately decided to avoid it.

I think people hated the x men suits because they all got forced into bland black suits at first whereas the mcu character only had their costumes drastically changed in certain cases.

Why did you delete your last thread, then make a brand new account to repost this again?

@uugieboogie: so do X Men. Do you really think Hugh Jackman would be taken seriously if he wore an uber accurate suit? They'd have to make it look more like leather or something and maybe even do away with the mask entirely. Seriously Marvel dulls the colors in their suits or doesn't even try.

The X Men costumes aren't bad. X Men Apcalypse had a lot of comic accurate costumes like Pychelock or the X Men at the very end

@zetsumoto: it was taken down because I added a link the post

There's no rules against adding links and why did you make a brand new account?

@avenging_x_bolt: how is Falcons movie design anything like the comics besides one stripe of red? I just don't see why Marvel gets a pass for bland military suits when X Men is hated for bland leather suits. Wanda isn't even wearing a costume. Put yourself in Singers shoes it's 1999 the last major superhero movie came out in 1997 and was the overly bright, campy and cartoony Batman and Robin. It was panned and killed the genre. Meanwhile Blade came out pretty recent and was recieved pretty decently and he dawned a black leather trench coat. Not to mention people took him seriously. Now which do you think people would take more serious a team in bright blue and yellow unitards or stylish black leather gear with color trim?

@zetsumoto: it said I couldn't post a new discussion. I tried contacting support but they never responded. Why is this important to you?

@bastion76: Just curious.

@zetsumoto: alright. Anything else you want to add from last time?

Most Avengers costumes are stupid looking an were desperate need of reevaluation, while most X costumes are pretty solid to great. Also, it's worth mention that most of The Avenger costumes are clearly lifted from their Ultimate Universe counterparts.

It's also doesn't help that Deadpool showed that the traditional X uniform actually looks pretty great in action.

Seriously, if the New Mutants aren't wearing these, I'm gonna torch Fox studios.

@bastion76:

It looks similar to Sam's original Falcon suit. Just without the open chest and different colors. It's also somewhat similar to his cap suit with the only real difference being the color scheme.

Once again Marvel got a pass because they only used them sparingly where it made sense (Clint and Sam where both military/government/Shield guys so it made sense that they had suits that fit that. On top of that,their traditional costumes where generally disliked in the comics).

It's not like they did the same with Cap etc.

@tvc-15: wait wait you think the Avengers look dumb but not the X Men? I get their iconic but even I can see theyre a bit goofy. I mean Wolverine and Hawkeye have the same masks.

I do believe any suit can work with the proper amount of time and detail to it like in X Men First Class with their yellow and blue suits having a texture to them.

Btw that suit is black and yellow like the Ultimates and at the end of Apcaylpse they did tease the comic suits

Even then it doesn't change the fact Marvel changes their costumes drastically

@avenging_x_bolt: um what? How is it anything like the comics suit? Even the wings look different. The only remote semblance is the red stripe which is a stretch

I still think they just make them look extremely generic military gear. One thing that makes a superhero a superhero is their costume tells who they are or what their powers are. What does Hawkeye's and Falcon's suits have to describe their characters? At least with Falcon the red implies falcon since falcons are reddish brown not to mention the fact he was super excited about being a superhero. What does movie Falcon Strike to you?

@avenging_x_bolt: also later suits did remove the open chest. I'm not sure how to add a picture but just look up Falcon 2010 comics

@uugieboogie: never said Singer tried but that doesn't change the fact Wanda went from this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Scarlet_Witch.jpg to this http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images/c/cc/Civil_War_Empire_02.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/280?cb=20160313224223

Even the I'd easily take the X Men suits than Ms Hot Topic or the dozens of bland over designed military costumes with gray and ugly dulled colors (seriously if you're gonna mute the color so much where reds look like browns and blues look like grays just make it black)

@bastion76: Wanda would look stupid in that costume. And where are their dozen of military costumes? Only the characters with a MILITARY BACKGROUND have military inspired costumes which makes complete sense.

What muted colors are you talking about? You can see the color and everyone's costume that's suppose to be colored. And how do you keep saying the MCU has dull costume but ignore the fact that 5/6 X-Men costumes are straight black with slight colored trim? How is that better than the MCU costumes?

@uugieboogie: really? How so? Once again if you add detail and texture it will look nice like this lady's costume http://m.imgur.com/byIYhnH?r. Also don't see how wearing heels and wearing a corset with a push up bra with a cartoon accent insists I take her more seriously. I'm sure most people would take a girl who can brainwash you by twiddling her figures even if she wore a ridiculous costume

I'll count the characters who don't have military costumes. Thor, Hulk (who am I kidding he doesn't have a costume), Thor, Wanda, Pietro (again those two 'costumes' are extremely debatably as well), and Doctor Strange. So I guess everybody is military I guess. Way to be diverse Marvel

The color grading looks extremely faded and washed out like this image from Civil War http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/chris-evans-captain-america-civil-war-image.jpg in particular. It hasn't always been like this his Avengers suit was quite vibrant but over time Marvel seems to be muting their colors a lot. I'm not ignoring the black suits but the black suits are more appealing than the extremely dull colored suits. The Marvel costumes look really muddy and unappealing and while I do want a bit more color even an Ultimates style of them I'd rather have jet black over really ugly dull colors

@uugieboogie: I find it ironic you use the it's too stupid to make it live action excuse Singer fans have used for X Men for years. Hell I still see people use that to an extent today. You can't use bright colors it'll look too cartoony because as we know real life colors are extremely murky and dull

I like how you ignored everything else. I'm waiting for you to list the characters with military costumes.

I don't know honestly, I never paid that much attention to their costumes. But good question I have no idea people hated the Leather for the X-Men.

Because they all wear black leather and it looks extremely tacky when none of them have some degree of individuality or variation in the suits. I don't think all the MCU suits are stellar, but Singer has some weird fetish for black leather which looks horrid for many scenes especially ones at night.

@bastion76: the adittion of the goggles, belt etc. Both suits feel like both a costume and a uniform . they have similarities but aren't exactly the same.

Post 2000s Marvel almost always models their costume after the movies for synergy.

@bastion76: I'm well aware that later suits removed the open chest but the fact remains is that nearly all of Sam costumes would not look good in live action and wouldn't make sense given his background. His suit (too most people) is a likeable blend of of his early look and his ultimate comics look. Practical but with flourish so he still looks somewhat like a superhero (classic chest stripes, his gauntlet, beak symbol on his goggles and shoulders). Wanda's look isn't a costume but still feels unique when compared to her teammates.

In the end they all feel like individuals.

While the singer suits shouldn't be hated, they did feel tacky and boring until the last stand where they finally got a bit of individuality.

Sam's wears military gear with bird themed flourish because he was a guy in the Air Force who wore a jet pack called the Exo-7 Falcon. Sounds pretty damn simple to me. Hawkeye wore military gear with dull colors because suprisingly enough, he was a agent of shield. Absolutely shocking. Next thing you know they'll have Spidey wearing a suit with webs on it.

Hawkeye's comic book dress is horrible and would look worse in live action. Wanda would look like a porn star. Their dresses had to be changed. The X-Men's comic book dresses are awesome and would look good (see the ending of Apocalypse).

On a related topic

Heres some concept art for the civil war costumed

https://www.google.com/search?q=scarlet+witch+civil+war+concept+art&oq=scarlet+witch+civil+war+concept+art&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.13572j0j4&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=0dQmdAcSJSfUlM:

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/baronzemoconceptartjpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=civil+war+concept+art&client=ms-android-verizon&prmd=insv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRoe_g9eHSAhVB9GMKHQgHCfcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=oDiawCLQP6ImiM:

Do they ?

Because "they don't look like the X-Men." Because "color." Because "comic accuracy."

Or whatever ridiculous reason people come up with these days.

@uugieboogie:

1. Yes I do. If we can take a guy dressed as a flag or a bat or with red underwear I'm sure we can take a girl in a red swimsuit and picture frame around her head seriously (I'd honestly take her more seriously since all she is wearing in the movie is emo clothes)

2. Alright here is everyone who looks like they're in the military. Iron Man, Captain America, Falcon, Widow, Ant Man, Winter Soldier, War Machine, Daredevil all imo have military looking gear. The only ones I feel that wear true superhero costumes are Thor, Doctor Strange and Spider-Man but even then 2/3 of those are mystical and magical. Seriously Spider-Man has prove three times over spandex can work. I understand some of them like Captain America and Black Widow or even Hawkeye but why give Falcon more military gear or the second Ant Man suit? I mean Scott clearly has some acrobat skills surely tights would be more beneficial than padded armor right?

3. So turning reds to browns and blues to grays is better and realistic? Even the dark and gritty DC movies understand there is color in the real world. Marvel doesn't really take itself that seriously or treat itself super realistic. What do you think looks more vibrant this https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112612/3466510-7959674730-Super.jpg or this http://www.mtv.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/image-w-520-h-520-scale-crop/public/mtv_uk/video/2016/05/27/tumblr_inline_o5lchktgdy1td0hds_1280.jpg?itok=tFrTP71X

There is even a video about Marvel color grading

I posted that one comment before I recieved yours

4. This is just my opinion. If I can't have bright vibrant colors I'll take jet black

@wallywest042: how can you say Wolverine looks awesome when his mask is the same as Hawkeye? Seriously why should I take one group of bright colored spandex warriors more seriously than another group of bright colored spandex warriors?

I could say the same for the X Men. I mean need a remind you Rogue has a skin suit so tight you can see her naval? Also I didn't know bathing suits are exclusive to porn stars

Because the leather suits in most of the X-Men movies were lazy and clearly the designers didn't bother being creative, we finally get to see the heroes wear suits that aren't black....for a total of 2 minutes in the ending of Apocalypse.

Damn it Fox/Singer.

@solid_snake97: And over designed gray military suits aren't lazy?

@bastion76: oh yay sure, pick out a costume or two and ignore the rest which have been faithful to the source material and prove filmmakers like Singer that it's ok to have some color.

Because MCU can do no wrong.

@solid_snake97: Only if the colors are extremely dull. Also like 5 of the characters have costumes nothing like the comics

Taste in clothes depends on person to person, but I think more than a majority will agree that this:

looks awesome (heck, its one of the best CB costumes) and this:

sucks a$$. Blame the colours if you want.

@avenging_x_bolt: Once again nothing like the comics

I get they changed his origin to being a medic instead of a cast away but still people in the military down wear over designed non sense. This is the US army

This is Falcon

What does that imply he is a military soldier? I get it is meant to look advanced but that doesn't mean adding lines everywhere. I see no reason why he can't have white since everyone knows about Falcon now. I still don't find his comic suit that dumb. Even something like this would be fine

Wanda only looks unique because she has no costume. Also I am 99 percent sure they went for the emo 'unique' since that seems to be her only character trait

There is nothing bird like about Sam's suit and Hawkeye's original suit can still work. Why wouldn't he want a mask to hide his identity? They could've done something with his second Earth 616 design imo

If stuff like Falcon or Hawkeye is unfilmable then what makes the X Men different?

@wallywest042: I honestly think it has more to do with the character. Wolverine is a bad@$$ and has become a staple while Hawkeye is consider the Aquaman of Marvel. Also using newer illustration against older ones is unfair

you can't say with a straight face this doesn't have a tiny bit of cheese to it

Or that this doesn't look at least half decent

Same reason you made this thread, nothing better to do

@wallywest042: I don't even see an issue with a costume like this

It is a nice blend between earth 1610 with the arrow symbol and Shield insignia and earth 616 with the mask and purple

Besides that how about the female X Men?

why do people think this can and should be adapted but praise Marvel for changing this?

They're both wearing leotards (or a bikini if you will), have capes, a crown thing on their heads, and tall boots. What makes it fine for Wanda to ditch the pink and red tights but when Storm covers up it's blasphemy?

@bastion76 said:

@wallywest042: I honestly think it has more to do with the character. Wolverine is a bad@$$ and has become a staple while Hawkeye is consider the Aquaman of Marvel. Also using newer illustration against older ones is unfair

you can't say with a straight face this doesn't have a tiny bit of cheese to it

Or that this doesn't look at least half decent

Hawkeye's new costume sucks as well.

I would not complain about Storm's costume in the movies. They were fine. But the others like Cyclops and Wolverine deserved better. Be honest and tell me you didn't like the ending scene of Apocalypse where they flaunted their CB costumes?