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#1 Posted by Rotten gun (2577 posts) - - Show Bio

who as a hero not villain... is most likely to kill and is best at it? DC and MARVEL

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#2 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

based on likely to kill

Wolverine

Iron-Man (if you can really call this S.O.B a hero)

Conan

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#3 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man isn't a killer. He's an ass, but he's not a killer. Ares should be on the list.

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#4 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine, Nick Fury, Rogue

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#5 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Iron Man isn't a killer. He's an ass, but he's not a killer. Ares should be on the list."

I can see that, but is Ares really a HERO. He is the god of war and kind of consider a villain even in Olympus

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#6 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Iron Man isn't a killer. He's an ass, but he's not a killer. Ares should be on the list."

On that basis... Ares, Thor, Herc.

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#7 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

Jack Hawksmoor

Midnighter

Grifter

Deathblow

Ladytron

Zealot

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#8 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Buckshot says:
"Iron Man isn't a killer. He's an ass, but he's not a killer. Ares should be on the list."

On that basis... Ares, Thor, Herc.

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The other two aren't bloodthirsty like Ares. They'll kill, but not nearly as readily as Ares would.

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#9 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (82985 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Mystique count?

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#10 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"The other two aren't bloodthirsty like Ares. They'll kill, but not nearly as readily as Ares would."

They are all from places/time periods where killing criminals was a lot more permissable than it is now.

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#11 Posted by Case Closed (185 posts) - - Show Bio

How about Venom? He was a hero for a while...

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#12 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Case Closed says:

"How about Venom? He was a hero for a while..."

Says the guy with a dead puppy for an avatar...

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#13 Posted by fesak (8597 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom is technically a hero now, the Thunderbolts are hunting down law-breakers. So put up Bullseye on the list too.

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#14 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Buckshot says:
"The other two aren't bloodthirsty like Ares. They'll kill, but not nearly as readily as Ares would."

They are all from places/time periods where killing criminals was a lot more permissable than it is now."

It was permissible, but that doesn't mean they're as likely to kill as Ares. Thor had his honor stuff and Hercules only killed when he went mad, then he'd hate himself for it. There's a page in Silent War that proves to me why Ares belongs somewhere near the top of this list (even if he doesn't make it to the top three), I'll try to find and scan it.

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#15 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

fesak says:

"Venom is technically a hero now, the Thunderbolts are hunting down law-breakers. So put up Bullseye on the list too."

If bullseye is in and considered a hero, I nominate Thanos!!! He did save help save the universe.

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#16 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"fesak says:
"Venom is technically a hero now, the Thunderbolts are hunting down law-breakers. So put up Bullseye on the list too."
If bullseye is in and considered a hero, I nominate Thanos!!! He did save help save the universe."

In that case, add Galactus!

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#17 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

And I suppose next we include Galactus?

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#18 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Buckshot says:
"The other two aren't bloodthirsty like Ares. They'll kill, but not nearly as readily as Ares would."
They are all from places/time periods where killing criminals was a *lot* more permissable than it is now."
It was permissible, but that doesn't mean they're as likely to kill as Ares. Thor had his honor stuff and Hercules only killed when he went mad, then he'd hate himself for it. There's a page in Silent War that proves to me why Ares belongs somewhere near the top of this list (even if he doesn't make it to the top three), I'll try to find and scan it."

I just think that if portrayed within a proper context (mythologically) Thor and Herc would be just as likely as Wolverine to kill a criminal.

Buckshot says:

"And I suppose next we include Galactus?"

Am I that transparent??
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#20 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6357/silentw5wy2.jpg"

Well, he is friggen ARES. I'd expect no less of him.

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#21 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

That's what I'm saying. He's Ares. Thor and Herc aren'tAres.

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#22 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"That's what I'm *saying*. He's **Ares**. Thor and Herc *aren't* **Ares**."

Satyrquaze says:

"I just think that if portrayed within a proper context (mythologically) Thor and Herc would be just as likely as Wolverine to kill a criminal."
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#23 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"That's what I'm *saying*. He's **Ares**. Thor and Herc *aren't* **Ares**."

But is he a hero?

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#24 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

I have always seen ares and pluto as villains

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#25 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Buckshot says:
"That's what I'm *saying*. He's **Ares**. Thor and Herc *aren't* **Ares**."

Satyrquaze says:

"I just think that if portrayed within a proper context (mythologically) Thor and Herc would be just as likely as Wolverine to kill a criminal."

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Them being willing to kill a criminal in a different context other than the one they are in, doesn't mean they are as willing to kill in general or as good at it as Ares is.

Valkaad says:

"Buckshot says:
"That's what I'm *saying*. He's **Ares**. Thor and Herc *aren't* **Ares**."

But is he a hero?"

Well seeing as he works for the good guys (Mighty Avengers and the gods of Olympus), fights against the bad guys, and is doing so to create a better life for his son (not because he's forced to like the Thunderbolts or anything), I consider him a hero. He's doing good for good reasons, he just doesn't have qualms about killing.
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#26 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Them being willing to kill a criminal in a different context other than the one they are in, doesn't mean they are as willing to kill in general or as good at it as Ares is."

I never disputed that Ares place on the list, I'm just saying that Thor & Herc should be placed somewhere in the same vicinity as Wolverine on the list.

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#27 Posted by GoocherLee (393 posts) - - Show Bio

We're talking "lethal" superheroes?

Isn't that oxymoronic?

Anyway, using the criteria you all have come to, I'd say...

  1. Hulk

  2. Wolverine

  3. Punisher

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#28 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sticking with Midnighter for number 1. He's willing to kill (he's more than willing actually) and he's insanely good at it. Who else drops themselves into the middle of a war zone just so they can go kill everyone on both sides with nothing but a staff?


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#29 Posted by GoocherLee (393 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

Who else drops themselves into the middle of a war zone just so they can go kill everyone on both sides with nothing but a staff?
Post Edited:2007-07-05 16:49:31"

Punisher.

One dead crimeboss is as good as their competition.

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#30 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never seen Punisher take out armies with a stick.

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#31 Posted by GoocherLee (393 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought we were comparing "lethal" superheroes, not their method or means with which they dispense their form of justice. I'd stack Castle's confirmed kills list up against the Midnighter's.

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#32 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

If you want the Norse equivelent to Ares, it's Tyr not Thor. I don't really know him from the comics, but the Viking god of war is probably a bad ass.

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#34 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"I've never seen Punisher take out armies with a stick."

He once got into an argument about whether wrestling was real with Kevin Nash.

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#35 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

GoocherLee says:

"I thought we were comparing "lethal" superheroes, not their method or means with which they dispense their form of justice. I'd stack Castle's confirmed kills list up against the Midnighter's."

Wouldn't their methods be important? If one can take out armies with a stick and the other needs to be decked out in weaponry just to attempt the same thing, which is more lethal? It's like bullseye, he can kill you with piece of corn, so he's way more dangerous than other characters that would need real weapons to do the same. And of the two of them, Midnighter is much more lethal than Frank no matter how you want to judge that. If they have to fight each other, Midnighter wins. If they have to see how many other people they can kill in a set time, Midnighter wins. If it's who's considered more dangerous, Midnighter wins there too. When it comes to killing, anything Punisher can do, Midnighter can do, and then some.

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#36 Posted by Shattered Hand (173 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Black Adam should be on that list...cause he was a member of the JSA for time so that must give him some hero cred...and then he went and killed a country :P

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#37 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely. He could be at the top.

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#38 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal Jordan certainly made his mark. Though I'm not a big fan of the whole Parallax era and am glad DC have returned him to the fold.

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#39 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo(does he count?), Wolverine, and I am not sure about this last one.

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#40 Posted by Rotten gun (2577 posts) - - Show Bio

in marvel i like deadpool-punisher-blade, they have no qualms about killing you if your the target or even just in the way. and if you are the target and they catch you its not likely they would give you the jail term option.

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#41 Posted by GoocherLee (393 posts) - - Show Bio

[QUOTE] Buckshot wrote:

"Wouldn't their methods be important?"

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Only insofar as it justifies your nomination, I guess.

Lethal is lethal, in my book. Time, weaponry, and location are coincidentals, to me.

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#42 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

If "lethal is lethal" then there's no way to rank them, and since the purpose was to rank them, saying they're all the same doesn't really do much. The criteria was, who is most likely to kill and is best at it. Midnighter beats Punisher in both those categories.

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#43 Posted by GoocherLee (393 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Midnighter beats Punisher"

Blah, blah, blah... Sentry embarrasses Mr. Majestic. LOL

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#44 Posted by BuckshotWasHere (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I disagree, but nice attempt at trying to...I don't know, bother me? Did I hurt your feelings?

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#45 Posted by GoocherLee (393 posts) - - Show Bio

No, I'm good.

I've been in online forums WAY too long for a simple disagreement to rile me.

You're wrong, I'm right, all's well in the world.

LOL ;)

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#46 Posted by Satyrquaze (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

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#47 Posted by Prodigal Son (3489 posts) - - Show Bio

GoocherLee says:

"Sentry embarrasses Mr. Majestic."

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#48 Posted by Virus13 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool, Wolverine and hulk.