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For this list, I'll be focusing on characters within the Legends continuity. Now, of course, there will be characters that are in the canon(Palpatine, Yoda, etc.), but I will include their feats within Legends. I will also look specifically at their power in the Force. Of course, my opinion can be changed as new Star Wars Lore comes and I'm not infallible, so the list might not be perfect.

1. The Bedlam Spirits

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The Bedlams consist of four known members: Tilotny, Horliss-Horliss, Cold Danda Sine, and Splendid Ap. While it is debatable weather or not the Bedlams are Force users, there is no doubt they are powerful. They've been stated as omnipotent and capable of manipulating time and mass.

Feats/Accolades:

  • Are omnipotent
  • Could manipulate time and mass
  • Can appear to be in multiple points in time and space at once
  • Can change the physical forms of themselves and things around them
  • Can bring people back to life
  • Can drain the life of people

2. The Father

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The number one spot should come as no surprise. He's been confirmed by Leland Chee as being the most powerful Force user to date, he's been implied to have defeated Abeloth and he's kept balance between the Daughter and the Son; two entities who, according to the Father, are capable of tearing apart the fabric of the Universe. He also appears to be nigh-omnipotent and various sources named him and his children as all powerful beings.

Feats/Accolades:

  • Named the most powerful Force user in Star Wars History
  • Suggested as being an all powerful deity
  • Implied to have beaten Abeloth
  • Kept balance between the Son and the Daughter
  • Subdued the Son and Daughter various times with both telekinesis and lighting
  • Has the ability to teleport
  • Can manipulate a lightsaber with telekinesis casually
  • Could change shape

3. The Son and the Daughter

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Both the Daughter and the Son represent the different aspects of the Force. The Son was the very incarnation of the Dark Side, whereas the Daughter was the pure incarnation of the Light Side. Both are of equal power and both are constantly in conflict. They've been stated as being capable of tearing the fabric of the universe, and their mere presence could cause ripples and tumors in the Force and change the environment around them.

Feats/Accolades:

  • They have the capability to tearing the fabric of the universe
  • They are incarnations of the respective sides of the Force
  • They've been suggested as beating Abeloth
  • They have the capability to deflect lightsabers with telekinesis
  • The Son could drain the life out of people
  • The Daughter could heal and save lives of people
  • They could change shape into a Griffin(Daughter) and Gargoyle(Son)
  • They both know esoteric and powerful abilities
  • The Son mastered lighting
  • The Daughter mastered Tutaminis

4. Abeloth

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Abeloth once found the ones of Mortis and became their servant. She soon loved them as if they were her own family so she was elevated as the Mother. But after she drank from the Font of Power and bathed in the Pool of Knowledge, she became corrupt with power. The Son and Daughter were taken a back by her sheer power and her evil spread as she became the spirit of Chaos. Imprisoned by the Father, Abeloth later came back and devastated worlds. She's been named the bringer of chaos and queen of the stars. She could form avatars in which she implants portions of her power so she could fool people around her and start chaos from the inside out.

Feats/Accolades:

  • While weakened, she was described as having 12 times the strength in the Force Luke had
  • She, while in her avatars, has fought people like Luke Skywalker, Krayt, Ben Skywalker and multiple others with ease
  • Has the ability to teleport
  • Manipulates lighting without even coming in physical contact with it
  • Could trap Force users in a Force Stasis
  • Drained Dyon Stadd
  • Creating illusions that fooled Luke
  • Can twist people's minds and turn them insane
  • While weakened, she sends Luke Skywalker, Sarasu Taalon, Gavar Khai, Ben Skywalker and Vestara Khai flying with a Force Wave casually. The Force of the wave paralyzed Ben
  • When a mere aspect of Abeloth was severely weakened and wounded, she unleashed energy that destroyed an entire City that caused people to turn inside out and to be ripped apart and melting buildings all around
  • She injured Luke Skywalker with lighting

5. Waru

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Waru is a trans-dimensional being capable of consuming and giving life to others. He apparently comes from a universe of his own and has mastered the art of the Anti-Force, being outside of the Force's perceptions.

Feats/Accolades:

  • Capable of consuming and giving life
  • Capable of healing incredible wounds and illnesses
  • Telepathic communication and probing
  • Put Luke's and Leia's mind in a trance
  • Has the power to open trans-dimensional portals
  • Has the power to destroy Luke Skywalker

6. The Force Priestesses

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Similarly to the Bedlams, they lack general feats and appearances to suggest just how powerful they are. But they've been implied to be the first to unlock immortality in the Force through the Light Side and are seemingly guardians of what the light of the Force stands for. They also exist in a plain between the Living and Cosmic Force.

Feats/Accolades:

  • They have knowledge of the greatest secrets of the Force
  • They know how to unlock immortality in the Force
  • They are seemingly guardians of the Light Side

7. Grandmaster Luke Skywalker

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Luke Skywalker was the son of the Chosen One and thus inherited his father's potential and actually fulfilled it. He's been stated as being the most powerful Jedi of all time and that he had greater potential than Darth Sidious himself. He rebuilt the Jedi Order and was noted by George Lucas himself as being the most powerful being in the EU in regards to the Jedi and the Sith.

Feats/Accolades:

  • Stated as having Anakin's potential
  • Stated as having more potential than Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious
  • Destroyed armies of Vong with a telekinetic wave
  • Manipulated Proton Bombs via the Force casually
  • Casually destroyed a mountain sized fortress, then rebuilt it, then crushed it again and scattered all of it's parts across seas
  • Telekinetically manipulated a Black Hole
  • Used telepathy to read the mind of an entire Solar System
  • Placed an illusion into Caedus's mind that made Caedus flee
  • Brought down an AT-AT

There is a lot more, but you understand the point.

8. Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine

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There is no doubt about it that Darth Sidious is going to be on this list. He's been stated the most powerful Sith in modern times and later on the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Before his prime, he fought as an equal with someone as powerful as Grandmaster Yoda of all people. He later managed to find a way to cheat death via Essence Transfer and became the greatest incarnation of the Dark Side among mortals.

Feats/Accolades:

  • Stated the most powerful Sith Lord ever
  • Stalemated Grandmaster Yoda before his prime
  • Passively Drained a planet the size of Byss
  • Ragdolled Savage Opress and Darth Maul
  • Choked Dooku from across the galaxy
  • Nearly killed Sedriss with telekinesis
  • Casually threw multiple senate pods
  • He has casually mentally influenced Darth Vader from across the galaxy
  • He has resisted the mental probes and scans of Shaak Ti and Saesee Tiin
  • He stood in the middle of the entire Jedi Council and none could sense that he is Sith
  • Has killed entire battalions with lighting while injured
  • Has turned Dark Side prophets and various other people into skeletons, ash, husk and chard
  • Has summoned Force Storms casually that ravaged the surfaces of entire planets and that could destroy moons and entire feats
  • Used Essence Transfer to transfer his spirit into other bodies

Once again, there is a lot more, but you get the picture.

9. Emperor Valkorion

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Emperor Vitiate was stated as the most powerful Sith Lord up to and during the time of his rain(which was during the Great Galactic War and post). So this places him canonically superior to Sith like Exar Kun, Darth Malgus, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya among many others. Later, after several apparent deaths, he has returned as the ruler of a new Empire in the form of Valkorion.

Feats/Accolades:

  • Stated the most powerful Sith Lord in history up to and during the time of his rule
  • Stomped Tol Braga's strike team
  • While in a weakened state, he caused quakes and temples to collapse
  • He's drained the planet of Ziost
  • Has ragdolled Revan
  • Has believed to be an embodiment of the Dark Side
  • Corrupted the environment of Dromund Kaas
  • Mastered Essence Transfer and found a way to cheat death
  • One-shotted Arcann
  • One-shotted Marr
  • Destroyed fleets with Force Storms
  • Has been called a Dark Side entity

10. Grandmaster Yoda

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Yoda has been stated the second most powerful Jedi of all time and one of the most devastating foes to the Dark Side of the Force. He's trained many of the best Jedi(like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker), and served during the described prime of the Jedi Order(up to that time). He's also fought as an equal with Darth Sidious during the time of Revenge of the Sith.

Feats/Accolades:

  • Stated the second most powerful Jedi in history
  • Stated the greatest foe to the Dark Side(other than Luke)
  • Casually manipulated CIS transports
  • Casually manipulated tanks
  • Threw senate pods
  • Caused avalanches
  • While out of his prime of power, he easily moved an X-wing
  • He easily manipulated Asajj's ship
  • Sent entire armies back with telekinesis
  • Suggested as knowing Force Light
  • Named an elite Jedi
  • Sensed multiple hidden Chameleon Droids
  • Deflected Dooku's lighting with tutaminis
  • Deflected Sidious's lighting with tutaminis
  • Stalemated RotS Darth Sidious in a battle of the Force

Honorable mentions

  • Darth Plagueis
  • Darth Caedus
  • Starkiller
  • Darth Bane
  • Darth Tenebrous
  • Exar Kun
  • Karness Muur
  • Marka Ragnos
  • Freedon Nadd
  • Ajunta Pall
  • Revan
  • Darth Vader
  • Darth Krayt
  • Kyp Durron
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It was good until about 7.

Yoda higher than Vitiate?

Didn't Plagueis state he couldn't beat his master so he let the boulders fall on him?

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#2  Edited By WollfMyth209
@precrisisbardock said:

Yoda higher than Vitiate?

Yoda did stalemated RoTS Sidious, who was stated the most powerful Sith Lord in history by numerous sources.

@precrisisbardock said:

Didn't Plagueis state he couldn't beat his master so he let the boulders fall on him?

Not that I remember. Besides, that wasn't even Plagueis at his prime of power and he's been stated as growing more powerful after Tenebrous's death on Bal'Demnic

With 11-4D deep in processing mode, Plagueis withdrew a vial of his own blood and subjected it to analysis. Despite the recent amplification of his powers he sensed that his midi-chlorian count had not increased since the events on Bal’demnic, and the analysis of the blood sample confirmed his suspicions.

Source: Darth Plagueis

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Good list Yoda feels a little out of place though.

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Good list

Thanks.

Yoda feels a little out of place though.

Not sure why. He's the second most powerful Jedi and equal to RoTS Sidious.

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@wollfmyth209: Statements that don't usually consider Old republic.

Vitiate casually wiped a planets crust in ToR.

You're suggesting Plagueis is more powerful than the likes of Exar Kun, Caedus, Bane, etc.

He doesn't have the feats to warrant these claims.

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Statements that don't usually consider Old republic.

It takes into account all of the EU, and thus the Old Republic.

Vitiate casually wiped a planets crust in ToR.

He drained all life out of the planet Ziost. Nihilus has replicated a similar feat and Sidious's Force Storms and demonstrations of Drain outshine that.

You're suggesting Plagueis is more powerful than the likes of Exar Kun, Caedus, Bane, etc.

He doesn't have the feats to warrant these claims.

He has very much feats to warrant those claims. Just look at some of the feats I listed for him. Plus, the fact that he's a part of the Banite line makes him automatically superior to Bane since the point of the Rule of Two is that a master surpasses the apprentice. So Bane got eventually matched or surpassed by Zannah, who got matched and surpassed by Cognus, who got matched and surpassed by Millennial, and so on and so on until Plagueis and Sidious.

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@wollfmyth209: Out of prime Bane was beat. Also like I said Plagueis copped out and cheap shotted his master.

How do any of the feats you posted compare to Vitiate or Nihilus?

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#8  Edited By WollfMyth209
@precrisisbardock said:

Out of prime Bane was beat.

The only difference between DoE and RoT Bane is the Orbalisk Armor which made RoT Bane unkillable by a lightsaber besides a decapitation.

@precrisisbardock said:

. Also like I said Plagueis copped out and cheap shotted his master.

And if you actually read my post above, you'd know that Plagueis wasn't in his prime of power and that after Tenebrous's death, he went on to grow and power and surpass him.

@precrisisbardock said:

How do any of the feats you posted compare to Vitiate or Nihilus?

Feats of who? Plagueis or Sidious? If Sidious, he's pretty much drained larger planets and called for even more destructive abilities like Force Storms. For Plagueis, his feats are below Vitiate, but above Nihilus. Nihilus is only note worthy for holding the Ravager(which was off-screen and on a potent Nexus IIRC) and draining a planet. It's nothing to suggest he's above Plagueis, who's been named the most powerful Sith up to TPM. But that was before TOR, so it doesn't apply to it. But it does apply to Nihilus since the novel that named his as such came after KoTOR II.

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@wollfmyth209: So admittedly Plagueis has no feats that put him above Vitiate, only a generalized statement?

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So admittedly Plagueis has no feats that put him above Vitiate, only a generalized statement?

Yeah. That's why I placed Vitiate above Plagueis in the list.

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@wollfmyth209: Wait, I went full retard, I forgot what I was talking about lol.

Yoda. What does Yoda have that are > Vitiate?

How is Plagueis > Exar Kun, Caedus, Jaina, Krayt, etc.?

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Yoda. What does Yoda have that are > Vitiate?

Stalemating a Sith Lord stated the most powerful up his time(Sidious) by numerous sources and thus canonically superior to Vitiate. And better telekinetic feats(sending entire armies back, then casually forcing hundreds of Droidekas into the air, and then pushing back multiple tanks and then causing two CIS transports to colide all without much strain>collapsing temples and causing quakes while weakened and ragdolling a pre-prime Revan) and a counter to Vitiate's lighting in the form of Tutaminis which deflected Sidious's and a counter to TP via too strong a will and too powerful a mind for Vitiate to influence in such a way.

How is Plagueis > Exar Kun, Caedus, Jaina, Krayt, etc.?

Greater demonstrations of power, simply. His lighting is probably inferior to Caedus's or Krayt's, but then again we've never seen it in full magnitude. And what we have seen is him turning people to dust with it and killing an Ikotchi prophet. But just to name some good feats in regards to telekinesis: before reaching the prime of his power- he collapsed entire caves while at the same time holding up rubble and debris from that same cave from not falling on him. While extremely injured and not even in his prime unleashing bursts of telekinesis that atomized the Maladian assassins and caused quakes(later on, investigators believed explosives were used to kill the Maladians, thus an injured Plagueis is capable of summoning blasts that can do similar damage to explosive devices).

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@wollfmyth209: Yoda has nothing in vaporizing/draining an entire planet population

Plagueis never collapsed a cave, a bomb did and Plagueis caught a few boulders with TK, not an impressive feat for high tier force users.

Caedus had precog on the level of knowing where fleets would move before an engagement, being able to stalemate Grandmaster like for a short time. To be honest a Vong assault squad would give Plagueis the fight of his life.

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Solid list. Though I disagree with several things here, tbh.

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Yoda has nothing in vaporizing/draining an entire planet population

So? IIRC, he does have Drain resistance.

Plagueis never collapsed a cave, a bomb did and Plagueis caught a few boulders with TK, not an impressive feat for high tier force users.

Did you even read the Plagueis novel?

The cave continued to spasm underfoot, sending shock waves through the crazed ceiling. Cracks spread like a web from the oculus, triggering collapses throughout the grotto. Plagueis heard a rending sound overhead and watched a fissure zigzag its way across the ceiling, sloughing layer after layer of stone as it followed the grotto’s curved wall. Now, though, it was Tenebrous who was positioned beneath the fall.

And in that instant Plagueis perceived the danger Tenebrous had foreseen earlier: his death.
His death at Plagueis’s hands. While Tenebrous was preoccupied holding aloft the slabs that threatened to crush the ship, Plagueis quickly reoriented himself, aiming his raised hands at the plummeting slabs above his Master and, with a downward motion of both arms, brought them down so quickly and with so much momentum that Tenebrous was buried almost before he understood what had hit him.

Stone dust eddying around him, Plagueis stood rooted in place as slabs interred the starship, as well. But he gave it no thought. His success in bringing the ceiling down on Tenebrous was proof enough that the Bith had grown sluggish and expendable. Otherwise, he would have divined the true source of the danger he had sensed, and Plagueis would be the one pressed to the floor of the grotto, head cracked open like an egg and chest cavity pierced by the pointed end of a fallen stalactite.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Plagueis, while pre-prime, casually forced a cave in to collapse on his master while holding up portions of the cave from falling on him.

Or how about when two of his hearts failed him and he was near death and yet he still atomized Maladian assassins:

The wait lasted only until Plagueis attempted to unleash lightning. His second subsidiary heart failed, paralyzing him with pain and nearly plunging him into unconsciousness. The assassins wasted not a moment, throwing themselves at him in groups, though in a vain attempt to penetrate the Force shield he raised. Again he rallied, this time with a ragged sound dredged from deep inside that erupted from him like a sonic weapon, shattering the eardrums of those within ten meters and compelling the rest to bring their hands to their ears. In blinding motion his hands and feet smashed skulls and windpipes. He stopped once to conjure a Force wave that all but atomized the bodies of six Maladians. He spun through a turn, dragging the wave halfway around the room to kill half a dozen more.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Given the circumstances of this feat, and the fact that the Maladians are highly skilled Force sensitive assassins, the feat is very much top tier.

Caedus had precog on the level of knowing where fleets would move before an engagement, being able to stalemate Grandmaster like for a short time.

Precog is irrelevant in combat, and he only stalemated Luke because Luke was holding back and because he had an environmental advantage. And that is dueling skill. My list is of Force powers.

If they got the drop on him, cut his jaw and mouth, forced two of his hearts to fail like the Maladians, then yes. Otherwise, they'd get blitzed or one-shotted.

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Except he isn't. Backcovers of novels aren't canon.

I am aware. If I did take that into account truly, then Plagueis would be 9 and Vitiate would be 10.

All in all, I like the list.

Thanks.

However, even ignoring Darth Plagueis (he shouldn't make this list), Vitiate deserves far more recognition. I'm assuming you're limiting him beneath Palpatine because Darth Sidious has been stated as the most powerful Sith Lord, but Vitiate isn't a Sith by the point of Shadow of Revan regardless, so that point is mute.

Well the whole "Most powerful Sith" thing, and better feats on his part, tbh. Also, how isn't he a Sith by the time of Shadow of Revan? Also, not sure why Plagueis shouldn't on the list, but alright.

Also, by the way, Luke Skywalker has never been stated to be the most powerful Jedi in history. Only Yoda (and Anakin Skywalker, actually) have.

Even if Luke wasn't stated the most powerful Jedi(which I'm pretty sure he was), I can't think of anyone else who'd fit the glove better than he, tbh. He does have superior feats to pretty much all Jedi before him.

Solid list. Though I disagree with several things here, tbh.

I never doubted you would, tbh.

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@wollfmyth209:

Personally, I would place the Bedlum Spirits a good deal higher; I would rank Vitiate above Yoda, Plagueis probably wouldn't even be included. Kyp Durron, Darth Caedus, and Joruus C'baoth are more deserving a spot than the Muun, IMO.

Of course, this depends on what angle you're looking at, and how big of a role lore and such plays in your criteria when measuring who's more powerful than whom.

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Personally, I would place the Bedlum Spirits a good deal higher;

How good a deal higher? I'm, at this point, willing to put them in 2nd given how OP just one comic appearance made them. But I just think their lack of showings wouldn't place them more than 4 or 3.

I'm considering that as well. I think I'll stick with Yoda as 8 for now.

Not sure about Joruus or Kyp. Caedus can probably switch, though I also find that a bit of a debatable topic, tbh.

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#21  Edited By ForklifterMatt

How controversial of you Wollf :) In all seriousness, great list and while I like the addition of Plagueis on the list (due to personal bias), I do think Caedus is the more powerful being than him or at least is equal in power to him. Though it's very hard to decide which Sith is the more powerful and is, like you said, a debatable topic.

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@forkliftermatt: Thanks. And Caedus is someone I'd place just below Plagueis in Force power. Pretty debatable, tbh.

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Statements are never facts.

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@flashback0180: Yes, yes they are. If they are canon statements, that is.

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@wollfmyth209:

Well then hulk tanked a billion exploding suns

Cell is a solar system busters

Madara can destroy the universe with his sword.

Since statements mean evidence according to you.

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Since statements mean evidence according to you.

Canon statements from the creator himself, yes. Statements from characters within the universe, no.

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@wollfmyth209:

Yes just like how berus is stated to be a galaxy - buster by both author and anime.

Just like how saitama, a character without even a planet level feat in his verse is stated to be limitless in the Manga and stated by the author to be capable of destroying half the universe.

Both not only are mentioned in the anime/manga but also in separate interviews with the author themselves.

Statements are never facts without supportable feats, at minimum.

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@flashback0180: Anime ain't Star Wars. Star Wars statements almost always prove to be accurate.

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@wollfmyth209: are you implying comics and manga are different??? It's fiction, you can't even compare anime to anime.

There are tons of Mangas that provide tons of proof to support their claims down right to their calculations, toriko for example.

This is all fair game, Feats for tareing the universe apart.

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@wollfmyth209: Yes , and so is hulk , dbz, opm and naruto.

Everyone of those are vastly different, that doesn't change the fact that unproven claims are unproven Hyperbole in view of fiction.

This applies to everything starwars are not a exception.

This is getting derailed, all that matters is a scalable feat, unless someone actually literally tore the universe apart I don't this is matters what a lore says

As it aways stood : feats >statements

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@flashback0180: So canon statements to be ignored? Even if the creators confirmed it? Alrighty then.

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@wollfmyth209: no they are Hyperbole until proven, that's how it's always been. If that weren't true fodder manga characters could go toe to toe with Odin.

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@flashback0180: Again, within Star Wars, most statements by authors and characters usually are true. So it's more than likely the Daughter's and Son's statements are true. Plus LucasArts Official Leland Chee named the Ones of Mortis as the most powerful Force users.

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Excellent job and very informative. Should Vader be somewhere closely below grandmaster Luke?

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Excellent job and very informative.

Thanks.

Should Vader be somewhere closely below grandmaster Luke?

Not even close. He's firmly underneath the likes of Caedus and Plagueis.

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That's not even mentioning other Force titans like Getherzion or Sel-Makor.

I forgot Getherzion and Sel-Makor. Dang it.

He's obviously the best, yeah, but you said "stated as being the most powerful Jedi ever." I just wanted to clarify.

Hmm, I see. Thank you for the clarification.

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You should make an 11-20 just for kicks.

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Yoda isn't as powerful as Palpatine: he was forced to flee from their fight in the end on account of this.

"Though Yoda is a tough combatant, the Emperor uses his Sith powers to release lightning bolts and hurl floating platforms at his foe. Ultimately the battle proves too much for Yoda, who barely escapes and is whisked away to safety by Senator Bail Organa."

--Ultimate Star Wars

Vitiate should be more powerful than him. Other than that, it's a fair list. Switch Yoda and Vitiate around and I'm in agreement, not that I put much dedication into researching the cosmics/deities.

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You should make an 11-20 just for kicks.

After you get through the Force users listed here it basically comes down to personal preference.

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Yoda isn't as powerful as Palpatine: he was forced to flee from their fight in the end on account of this.

Some sources did list them as equals:

Yoda's knowledge of the Force makes him just as powerful as Darth Sidious. He can absorb Sidious's Force Lighting-and deflect it back! Concentration, focus, and deep connection with the Force are all Yoda needs in a fight.

Source: Mysteries of the Jedi

The dark and light sides of the Force clash when Sidious battles with passion and fury, only to be matched at every blow by Yoda's calm, measured skill.

Source: Beware the Sith(credit to okayalright_44).

Vitiate should be more powerful than him.

Debatable.

Other than that, it's a fair list.

Thanks.

Switch Yoda and Vitiate around and I'm in agreement, not that I put much dedication into researching the cosmics/deities.

I am yet to be swayed that Vitiate is above Yoda.

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How good a deal higher? I'm, at this point, willing to put them in 2nd given how OP just one comic appearance made them. But I just think their lack of showings wouldn't place them more than 4 or 3.

Possibly number 2, if I'm being honest. Their control over space/time was effortless from what we've seen. The only thing holding them back was their dense nature, and character flaws.

I'm considering that as well. I think I'll stick with Yoda as 8 for now.

It's your list, do as you please.

Not sure about Joruus or Kyp. Caedus can probably switch, though I also find that a bit of a debatable topic, tbh.

Kyp overall, has better TK, and TP feats than Plagueis has, tbh. Joruus C'baoth telepathic showings is borderline outmatched by anyone in the mythos. His TK feats are also monstrous, and his Lightning usage isn't too shabby either.

As for Caedus vs Plageuis, fair enough - even though I think Jacen > Hego.

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Possibly number 2, if I'm being honest. Their control over space/time was effortless from what we've seen. The only thing holding them back was their dense nature, and character flaws.

Tilotny and Splendid Ap are the only ones who actually demonstrated that. It's implied that Cold Dande Sina and Horliss-Horliss can do. They just don't have enough showings. And what they do appears just them using their powers to manipulate the StormTroopers and Leia and killed them, and then Splendid Ap revived them. The Son and the Daughter replicated that with their power.

Kyp overall, has better TK, and TP feats than Plagueis has, tbh.

Not sure about TK.

Joruus is a powerful telepathic, but I'd place his lighting and TK below Plagueis. I'm also surprised you've considered Joruus as 10, but didn't even mention Darth Vader.

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Not sure about TK.

None of Plageuis TK showing can match Kyp's best at all.

Joruus is a powerful telepathic, but I'd place his lighting and TK below Plagueis.

Lightning I'm not sure of, but I'd agree with TK. Thing is though, C'baoth telepathic powers is enough to tip the scale in his favor alone.

I'm also surprised you've considered Joruus as 10, but didn't even mention Darth Vader.

I consider C'baoth to be above Vader in the Force, tbh.

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None of Plageuis TK showing can match Kyp's best at all.

Really? Given the circumstances of the majority of Plagueis's TK feats, he's probably on par Durron.

Lightning I'm not sure of, but I'd agree with TK. Thing is though, C'baoth telepathic powers is enough to tip the scale in his favor alone.

Not sure if it's enough, tbh. Plagueis is pretty solidly above in TK based on what I know of Joruus's sheer telekinetic power. What is C'baoth's best lighting feats, tho?

I consider C'baoth to be above Vader in the Force, tbh.

Really?

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Nice list.

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Really? Given the circumstances of the majority of Plagueis's TK feats, he's probably on par Durron.

Yes, really. Plagueis telekinetic showing are not on par with Durron, at all.

Not sure if it's enough, tbh. Plagueis is pretty solidly above in TK based on what I know of Joruus's sheer telekinetic power. What is C'baoth's best lighting feats, tho?

C'baoth has collapsed a ceiling, hurled rocks with incredible speeds at space-shuttles with the sufficient force to critically damage it, and cause the aforesaid ship to crash. I doubt if he's far behind Plageuis in that regard.

His lightning was enough to kill foes, send Mara Jade flying while burning her in the process, and impacted Luke Skywalker blade with enough force to send him flying backwards to rubble, and practically immobilize him with the sheer pain of his burst.

I believe you're underselling C'baoth telepathic abilities a bit here.

  • Communicated with two other task force 4 light-years away, while simultaneously utilizing Battle Meditation to raise the effectiveness Chimaera crew by 40% in every statistical category.
  • Controlled nearly 40,000 being at once and threatened to attack Coruscant with the Chimera under his control.
  • Sensed Liea presence lightyears away, while simultaneously controlling ten 1,000 man dreadnoughts with split second timing; broke off the attack, and pursued her.
  • Elicited a haze of drowsiness and fatigue over a vast region passively and subtly, it was able to effect the likes of Luke Skywalker, and was only broken when Mara Jade brought Ysalamiri in his proximity.
  • Sensed Mara Jade presence for years, and even knew about her history as the Emperor's hand
  • Has killed being with his telepathic prowess
  • Has search out, then controlled a being while being lightyears away to successfully hijack his/her space-shuttle.
  • Was able to use mind-trick on Palleon.
  • Sent Luke Skywalker messages, again while being lightyears away.

Really?

Yes. It's certainly debatable to say the least.