@nemesisreloaded:
This is not necessarily about this thread, but some corrections of what you said in your last post...
No, not at all. Before it became a regular occurrence for movies to make this kind of money, a movie making $3-400m was considered very successful.
Movie success is the relation between budget, marketing campaign, box office, and the capacity to build hype for possible sequels... MoS profit was really low (numbers below on spoilers), and no sequel yet...
Doctor Strange is the 14th movie in a franchise of linked movies. It has a guaranteed audience. The fact that DS is also the best Marvel movie for a couple of years, its no surprise at all that it made $675m at the global box office. No surprise at all.
Perhaps, but we can't ignore that WB was trying to capitalize the Nolan success with Batman into a Superman movie (Nolan was the producer of MoS), and by MoS budget ($225M = Avengers, very superior to Dr. Strange $165M), WB was obviously expecting + $700M, in fact movies with +$200M budget should do more than $700M to meet positive expectations...
And just as a point, if Man of Steel is such a disappointment for being off the back of 3 consecutive badly received Superman movies and made to be a stand alone that could expand to a sequel if it did well, why do Marvel fans, like yourself, irrationally use it as the bench mark for the success of a Marvel movie?
B v S was not really a Superman movie... Was it!?!
Everyone's so easily triggered by the fact that DC movies have had more Oscar wins than Marvel ones, you all start banging on about money and then say Fiege isn't a businessman like that somehow makes sense.
Actually Marvel Studios achievement, with the shared universe translation from the comics, had more impact in the movie industry than the win (randomly) movie awards, be it Oscars (one if for makeup) or Razzies... (fair or unfair)... Don't see how that can be a big deal, or impact the future of the Dceu, much less movie industry...
WB execs are also businessmen. If you want to know why Marvel movies do better its because they are designed to be watchable, not ground breaking in any way, risk averse enjoyable movies that follow a formula. And they get to be that way because Disney made Marvel Studios separate and put one guy in charge, and that's how their one guy wants to ensure success.
That quote has a lot of your own opinion on the subject, i find a lot of movies formulaic, specially blockbusters (cbms or not)... And Feige already was in charge of the Mcu before Disney was in the equation...
No other studios have followed that. Execs at WB are creating their own problems. They panic over something then fix a problem before it is one by meddling in the movie making process in 2 of the last three releases. Fox do the same thing to all but Brian Singer movies. Somehow he has clout with them. Sony did the same thing with Spiderman.
Or Marvel Studios has some merit in how they build a cinematic shared universe with movies way above the blockbuster norm...
But at the same time, the riskier movies made by DC, Fox and Sony win Oscars, or get Best Picture buzz.
You are trying to give the idea, that happens on frequent basis, when it only happened in very special circumstances, or without relevance for how the movies are perceived, the makeup Oscar for SS squad will not change anything about its reception... And the best picture buzz in just no true... That never was cbm territory...
And that's the flipside. You play safe and guarantee your money, or your make a risky film and potentially win big, or fail. It's not hard to see which plan different studios follow. It's about time people stopped pretending they actually have some kind of stake in the successes either way, and not react to criticism as if its a dig at them personally.
There was nothing risky about FF 2015 or Green Lantern just really poor productions with really poor results, where the intention was make a lot of money like all other blockbusters...
As bonus, the current comic book era is a product of the Mcu success, where other studios (including WB) are trying to replicate what they did, not for quality or movie awards, but for the money that comic book movies (currently) are generating, that is why instead of have a lot more careful with the planning part, they just don't want to miss the current window/trend... Even if that can mean really weak foundations for the future of the cinematic shared universe...
My god.
Odin...
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