Naruto/Saskue are not Country Busters.

@princearagorn1:

Lmao k.

"That's a surprising thing to say after failing to counter even one of these "extremely speculatory, circumstantial and laughable" points"

Damn, I "failed" to counter any of your baseless assumptions (which is literally just your opinion), so that gives your position merit. That TOTALLY has nothing to do with the fallacy I posted.

@princearagorn1 said:

@vintage_spiderman:

1. I am not saying it is possible - bolt could also be an avatar of a being that kaguya is but a foot soldier of. There are many ways to come up with a story to make boruto stronger than naruto. Point is, I don't see it as very plausible - as far as I am concerned, "the prophecy child to stop the end of the world and getting every boost introduced till now" thing is not going to be repeated any time soon.

2. Madara will decimate guy if he doesn't decide to match him via taijutsu. Guy doesn't have answers to any of his other techniques.

As much as you're making it sound like you didn't really fail to counter it, but we're just saying it now - the fact is, you did. And you have given up on even trying anymore - and going the "List of facts straight from the manga = baseless assumptions" cover instead.

We don't even know how far Kishimoto zoomed out the freaking image of the "moon" coming out of the Earth.

Regardless of how far he zooms out - the proportion is not going to change. That's how zoom works - again, bringing up things you don't know anything about.

Your comparisons are faulty and based on assumptions. Period.

Not really pointing out which part is an assumption, eh? That's because you can't - each of the things I listed is straight from the manga, and without any changes to it.

The Sage of Six Paths created the moon to trap the ten-tails, not the gedo mazo. Would the gedo mazo not be weaker than the ten-tails? Why are we assuming that they'd make the chibaku tensei the same size as when the Sage did it if it would be on a weaker character?

rofl, no. It was the gedo mazou.

Mentioned first time it was said:

Confirmed by madara:

Confirmed by guidebooks:

(From section on Hamura ootsusuki)

Caption next to Hamura on the last page:

The Gedou Mazou, the remaining shell of the Juubi, was sealed in the moon. Hamura took command of the clan to watch over the Mazou.

Attaching the raw just in case you want to confirm this "speculation" yourself.

But it's easy to forget that, not like the series wouldn't be possible if he had sealed tailed beasts along with the juubi shell or anything. lol.

The irony here is that the ten-tails (something that should be WAY stronger than Naruto or Sasuke) was successfully trapped inside a moon by the Sage of Six Paths years ago, yet you think Naruto with only a fraction of the ten-tails' power (Kurama), can do better than that.

Besides the fact that you are wrong in the first place - it's not the seal is just the moon. Reality warping/creation of all things is an integral part of the technique, that's how the bijuu are created...

The real irony is you're still thinking a mere moon could actually hold something as strong as the juubi. Despite seeing repeatedly how characters you consider weaker

Based on nothing? Am I the only sane one here?

Is that really how it looks?

Where does it 100% confirm that it is moon sized? Where in canon does it officially say in clear-cut terms that the hunk of mass was as big as the moon. I'd love to see this. Oh right, Kakashi said it looks like a moon so based on that statement alone that proves that it was 1,079 miles.

Kakashi states it is as large as the moon - and the part where same technique created the moon confirms his assessment as correct. The problem:

1. kakashi is wrong: Supported by nothing.

2. Kakashi is right: Same technique used to create the moon same way. Size of the satellite shown is easily large enough to be the moon.

Your argument is: Kakashi could be wrong, so he is wrong - regardless of evidence being stacked on him being right. It's like you're looking for the mangaka to write the radius of the structure in a panel, when he has already confirmed it every single way he can.

Lmfao. This is ridiculous and this is my last response back to you guys.

Yes - advisable considering how many mistakes you're making in every post.

Like I said, we can agree to disagree.

We agreed to disagree several posts ago, the discussion continued because you commented on an argument you're failed badly counter as "ridiculous and laughable"

Nice having the discussion with you. I'm out.

Likewise.

this was a fun thread

Naruto is above country level tbh Continent-Moon + and Hashirama is Mach 1K + in base but hashirama is not immortal and Deadpool's healing > Wolverine>>>>>>>>>>Hashirama

I agree with OP. The strongest attack was in their final clash. Neither of them have shown anywhere near moon busting DC. Their island busters at best.

@red king said:

@iusemycajonas: ^ You can see two oceans in this scan very clearly. ( Keep in mind, Naruto is based on a super-continent, the land mass they live on is the largest and main piece of land on their Earth. )

^ Naruto destroying those very meteorites... So it's obvious that if Naruto wanted he could pool all that chakra into one RS and destroy a continent.

More like Large Island Level.

@gxrevs06: @noone301994:

@jamielannister said:

@red king said:

@iusemycajonas: ^ You can see two oceans in this scan very clearly. ( Keep in mind, Naruto is based on a super-continent, the land mass they live on is the largest and main piece of land on their Earth. )

^ Naruto destroying those very meteorites... So it's obvious that if Naruto wanted he could pool all that chakra into one RS and destroy a continent.

More like Large Island Level.

They are solar system lvl with lowball

@jamielannister: Notice how the base of the God tree looks relative small in both in comparison to Madara's entire assult.

Now look at Genbu, who is a small island sized creature able to house multiple other giant animal including Gyuuki.

now look at Gai's Daytime Tiger in comparison to Genbu.

It dwarfs it. Yet compared to the base of the God tree, it's pretty small.

Yet a single of Naruto Rashenshurken is far larger then the tree's entire stump.

That alone, should take the feat beyond any island tier. It helps that the land that Madara was pulling up for the Chibaku were from the entirety of the frost country, no if, and, or buts.

i still dont think they are country level

@tvc-15: Nothing but assumptions.

Am I being memed on? We litterally see Madara make his meteors from the entire range of the Frost country.

@tvc-15: He is not country level.

Depends on what size country you guys are talking about.

Well, he could definitely bust the Land of Frost

Yep, I'm with the opinion that the could probably bust France.

@tvc-15: Socle Bleu :O

They still haven't ever busted a country and making guesses based on eyeballing techniques doesn't prove anything.

^Loøõòóöôœl @ these "argument".

Madara easily ripped Frost Country apart, and Naruto cleared almost the whole "meteor shower", casually.

The moon is clearly the same as the moon, don't even get how that's hard to see.

A moon got sliced my dude, is safe to say they are country buster.

lol, One mo for tha ghetto

- The Technique used to make the moon

- Given to Naruto and Sasuke by the guy who created the moon

- Used under the same circumstance as when the moon was created.

but it's totally not the size of the moons.

Madara busted a Country.

Continent level at best

ahahhahahaha

They're at least country, likely continent-buster, but moon-buster is rly bullcrap!

They can atleast bust the frost country.

Lol this thread. They are individually significantly above country lvl. This shouldnt even be a debate.

@kroczilla: that rebuttal god damn you destroyed me

On-panel feats disagree.

So we both agree there are no continental level feats which is cool you're not going to be that ridiculous, but, show me a scan of them individually with their own power blowing up something nearing the size of let's say, Mexico.

I'll wait. Just some casual on panel feats.

Naruto overpowering a moon splitting beam while not even in his strongest form is impressive

He's a FTL planet buster

@iusemycajonas: Madara uplifted the Frost country with Chibaku Tensei, and Naruto quite casually destroyed the majority of his meteors with a single attack. Also, your logic in the OP is extremely flawed, because the explosion took place in the upper atmosphere and naturally wouldn't cause as much environmental damage.

Why Mexico? That's one of the biggest countries in the world, by on panel feats Naruto can probably bust most of the western Europe countries (individually)

Here's a picture of spain and portugal seen from an altitude similar to the multiple Chibaku Tensei's one, the frost country is only a bit smaller than them

@iusemycajonas: post #261 did not convince you they could bust a country? That post has me thinking naruto can bust Australia at least

Their attacks clashed in the upper atmosphere, which is why they fall through clouds (which cap off at the top of the first layer of the atmosphere) afterwards. Of course it's not going to damage trees on the ground.

I guess the nuke that hit Superman and Doomsday in BvS isn't even a building buster because the buildings on the ground were unharmed by it.

Great logic.

@thevivas: nice point. What altitude to you think they were? I would say about 7 miles up, due to them being over the clouds

@webinyoureye11: I'd have to look at the scans again to make an accurate estimate.

Some people actually believe he is moon buster

@god_vulcan: Probably based on the Chibaku Tensei feat. I don't believe Naruto has an attack with enough AoE to bust an entire continent, but he can definitely destroy certain countries considering what he did to Madara's meteors.

They Made Moon sized explosions so wtf do ppl mean when they say below country level

@mobz252001: that's one small ass planet then

yea in terms of pure busting ability naruto is large country to continent max

The map of naruto world is suspicious af, the entire battle with madara and kaguya and them took place in the frost country, and by the map it doesn't even look larger than the USA

It has been debated on so many different forums but going by the curvature of the planet, the fact that naruto's moon has so much open space in the core, it's safe to say his planet is either the same size or bigger. In no way is it smaller: http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:524202

@heatforce: I didn't want to outright state it being smaller, but don't you think it's weird that the moons in the verse are chibaku tensei's? Like come on

Fiction my good man, fiction lol.

@mobz252001: wow...

Nice scan man..

I still dont see it.