Steve is very much the hero's hero, he's the guy who instinctively knows the right thing to do and will go all the way with it. Tony is the guy who's got a gift and wants to do good with it, but is maybe a bit of a sh*tty human being in some ways, which can lead to misguided endeavours, so he often needs to work a little harder to get to that place Cap is pretty much always at.
Both are equally heroic in their own ways, Cap's classic heroism defines him as much as Tony's struggles towards it defines him. It's subjective as to which you'll gravitate towards.
The Cap. They chose him for the SSS for a reason and he's a good man. Like what Dr. Erskine said about the serum, it makes a bad guy go evil and a good man be great.
Cap obviously. Tony has admirable qualities but Steve is essentially the archetype of heroism, which you can argue makes him boring or one dimensional, but also means that this kind of "who's the better hero" comparison shouldn't exist.
Cap obviously. Tony has admirable qualities but Steve is essentially the archetype of heroism, which you can argue makes him boring or one dimensional, but also means that this kind of "who's the better hero" comparison shouldn't exist.
Steve is very much the hero's hero, he's the guy who instinctively knows the right thing to do and will go all the way with it. Tony is the guy who's got a gift and wants to do good with it, but is maybe a bit of a sh*tty human being in some ways, which can lead to misguided endeavours, so he often needs to work a little harder to get to that place Cap is pretty much always at.
Both are equally heroic in their own ways, Cap's classic heroism defines him as much as Tony's struggles towards it defines him. It's subjective as to which you'll gravitate towards.
Summed it up nicely.
Can't say I like Post-Avengers Tony Stark or his characterization (Tony Stank); that of a sad clown always goofing up (the creation of Ultron, hunting down and imprisoning his teammates, involving a random teenager into his little "family feud", attempting to murder Bucky). I prefer IM1, IM2, Avengers portrayal; a zany rebel, showoff and genius.
This is kind of vague. Is this a matter of who we like more? Or who is the better hero? Captain America is obviously more self-less and a better person, but Iron Man is way cooler :p
If we're talking about who's the most heroic, definitely Cap.
As fun as Tony is and despite all he's done, his motives in every film are largely selfish. He breaks out of that sometimes (Avengers) but for the most part his reasons for putting on the suit are mainly personal. On top of that, he's largely a slave to whatever fear/guilt he's feeling at the moment rather than thinking of what would be best for actually helping people.
Steve started out as a good guy that wanted to help and has remained so incredibly selfless that one of the main cruxes of Civil War is exploring what happens if he is selfish for once.
Ultimately stark is the better hero. Cap was essentially a loser before his SSS injection. The only reason he even survives and does some of the things he does is thanks to a simple SSS injection. Not only that, he was also a coward before the SSS, and the SSS made him brave/courageous as well. SSS changed his personality as well as physical stats. Meanwhile Iron man uses his own time, money, and effort, to save people even when he could be partying all the time. In addition in avengers 1 film, the ending scene, stark pretty much proved captain america wrong. cap accused tony of being arrogant and what not but tony flew the nuke missile into space and etc. Now when it comes to civil war of course, cap's side is the right side. So I can agree that maybe they are equally heroic in their own ways. But, only thing is, when you think of cap's behavior and personality before SSS injection, something just seems off. It's easy to become brave when you become a superhuman beast overnight with zero effort needed.
This is kind of vague. Is this a matter of who we like more? Or who is the better hero? Captain America is obviously more self-less and a better person, but Iron Man is way cooler :p
Cap obviously. Tony has admirable qualities but Steve is essentially the archetype of heroism, which you can argue makes him boring or one dimensional, but also means that this kind of "who's the better hero" comparison shouldn't exist.
Bear in mind that the thread isn't asking who is morally superior which would obviously be in Steve's favour, but who is overall a better hero. It is a question of whether Tony's intelligence, resources and firepower is enough to compensate for Captain America being a better person who more often than not knows what's right.
Not only that, he was also a coward before the SSS, and the SSS made him brave/courageous as well. SSS changed his personality as well as physical stats.
Not only that, he was also a coward before the SSS, and the SSS made him brave/courageous as well. SSS changed his personality as well as physical stats.
Cap obviously. Tony has admirable qualities but Steve is essentially the archetype of heroism, which you can argue makes him boring or one dimensional, but also means that this kind of "who's the better hero" comparison shouldn't exist.
Ultimately stark is the better hero. Cap was essentially a loser before his SSS injection. The only reason he even survives and does some of the things he does is thanks to a simple SSS injection. Not only that, he was also a coward before the SSS, and the SSS made him brave/courageous as well. SSS changed his personality as well as physical stats. Meanwhile Iron man uses his own time, money, and effort, to save people even when he could be partying all the time. In addition in avengers 1 film, the ending scene, stark pretty much proved captain america wrong. cap accused tony of being arrogant and what not but tony flew the nuke missile into space and etc. Now when it comes to civil war of course, cap's side is the right side. So I can agree that maybe they are equally heroic in their own ways. But, only thing is, when you think of cap's behavior and personality before SSS injection, something just seems off. It's easy to become brave when you become a superhuman beast overnight with zero effort needed.
Yeah... what a coward
yeah mate. only reason he even did that was because he was a depressed nerd essentially. he basically had no value for himself so he thought why not just sacrifice myself. This was not bravery. Bravery is what iron man did in avengers 1!! When he took that nuke into space! knowing he could die. what cap did in this scenario is just depression because he thought of himself as a worthless guy. So i stand by what I said. It's easy to become brave when you become a physical beast overnight with a SSS injection.
I feel like this interpretation says more about you than it does the character.
Ultimately stark is the better hero. Cap was essentially a loser before his SSS injection. The only reason he even survives and does some of the things he does is thanks to a simple SSS injection. Not only that, he was also a coward before the SSS, and the SSS made him brave/courageous as well. SSS changed his personality as well as physical stats. Meanwhile Iron man uses his own time, money, and effort, to save people even when he could be partying all the time. In addition in avengers 1 film, the ending scene, stark pretty much proved captain america wrong. cap accused tony of being arrogant and what not but tony flew the nuke missile into space and etc. Now when it comes to civil war of course, cap's side is the right side. So I can agree that maybe they are equally heroic in their own ways. But, only thing is, when you think of cap's behavior and personality before SSS injection, something just seems off. It's easy to become brave when you become a superhuman beast overnight with zero effort needed.
Yeah... what a coward
yeah mate. only reason he even did that was because he was a depressed nerd essentially. he basically had no value for himself so he thought why not just sacrifice myself. This was not bravery. Bravery is what iron man did in avengers 1!! When he took that nuke into space! knowing he could die. what cap did in this scenario is just depression because he thought of himself as a worthless guy. So i stand by what I said. It's easy to become brave when you become a physical beast overnight with a SSS injection.
Yeah, because he didn't sacrifice himself again at the end of TFA even when he had the chance to be happy with Peggy. Without the suit Tony will run from a fight, Cap would fight for others with or without SSS.
Steve is very much the hero's hero, he's the guy who instinctively knows the right thing to do and will go all the way with it. Tony is the guy who's got a gift and wants to do good with it, but is maybe a bit of a sh*tty human being in some ways, which can lead to misguided endeavours, so he often needs to work a little harder to get to that place Cap is pretty much always at.
Both are equally heroic in their own ways, Cap's classic heroism defines him as much as Tony's struggles towards it defines him. It's subjective as to which you'll gravitate towards.
Don't forget the scene where Steve defends himself in that alleyway after the theatre. "I can do this all day", Steve has a heart of a lion, strong-willed and brave.
yeah mate. only reason he even did that was because he was a depressed nerd essentially. he basically had no value for himself so he thought why not just sacrifice myself. This was not bravery. Bravery is what iron man did in avengers 1!! When he took that nuke into space! knowing he could die. what cap did in this scenario is just depression because he thought of himself as a worthless guy. So i stand by what I said. It's easy to become brave when you become a physical beast overnight with a SSS injection.
I feel like the excuse you wrote for this is literally taking away what Steve stands for. He's always been a good man. In that scene he was just doing what he felt was the right thing. Marvel made that scene to point the obvious understanding that Steve is deep-down, a good guy.
yeah mate. only reason he even did that was because he was a depressed nerd essentially. he basically had no value for himself so he thought why not just sacrifice myself. This was not bravery. Bravery is what iron man did in avengers 1!! When he took that nuke into space! knowing he could die. what cap did in this scenario is just depression because he thought of himself as a worthless guy. So i stand by what I said. It's easy to become brave when you become a physical beast overnight with a SSS injection.
Errrm... it's never suggested or even slightly implied at all that's the reason why he did it. Probably a good idea trying to prevent info about yourself seeping through to us strangers, even in a subtle, semi-anonymous way.
That im depressed or something? Mate this is a fictional character..ive spent countless hours studying psychology..bottom line is before sss steve was fairly weak and even seemingly depressed/hopeless..Remember the first film
I find it sad that you feel the need to insult me just because of my analysis of a fictional character
What does it say about you that you idolize someone that gained everything he has with a simple injection
Captain America represents the American dream
Put in no work.no effort. Take a magic pill to solve/fix all your problems. Be lazy. Thats the vibe i get from the first movie
He represents a logical impossibility
The (false) idea that you can achieve greatness with no effort or work
It's sad that some people in Vine take you seriously, i really wonder what goes through your head when you say these things.
Cap is the obvious choice for a majority of people, but don't downplay the capacity of Tony Stark because in reality he relates to a lot of people. We as humans do what we do everyday sometimes, not thinking what we do effects, both positively or negatively, other around us. Tony received a wake up call that what he was doing was causing more harm than good. He then made a choice to stop what he was doing and help people. Something that a lot of us do once something traumatic, sad, or good happens to us. Self reflection became a big part of Tony's life. Yes, his ego is the size of a dinosaur but his heart is still in what he does. His intentions are good, misguided, but good. Hence Ultron in Avengers 2. He uses his gifts to help and make the world a better place and improve his legacy from being a relentless, egotistical, playboy billionaire to a hero who sacrifices to ensure the safety of everyone. We all want that at the end of the day. To be remembered for the good person we are and the deeds we did to help others.
Cap is the ultimate boy scout and the ideology of what good should be, like Superman. Attainable, but not as likely.
Ultimately stark is the better hero. Cap was essentially a loser before his SSS injection. The only reason he even survives and does some of the things he does is thanks to a simple SSS injection. Not only that, he was also a coward before the SSS, and the SSS made him brave/courageous as well. SSS changed his personality as well as physical stats. Meanwhile Iron man uses his own time, money, and effort, to save people even when he could be partying all the time. In addition in avengers 1 film, the ending scene, stark pretty much proved captain america wrong. cap accused tony of being arrogant and what not but tony flew the nuke missile into space and etc. Now when it comes to civil war of course, cap's side is the right side. So I can agree that maybe they are equally heroic in their own ways. But, only thing is, when you think of cap's behavior and personality before SSS injection, something just seems off. It's easy to become brave when you become a superhuman beast overnight with zero effort needed.
This! QFT! Couldn't have said it better myself. 100% agree with all your points there.
That im depressed or something? Mate this is a fictional character..ive spent countless hours studying psychology..bottom line is before sss steve was fairly weak and even seemingly depressed/hopeless..Remember the first film
I find it sad that you feel the need to insult me just because of my analysis of a fictional character
What does it say about you that you idolize someone that gained everything he has with a simple injection
Captain America represents the American dream
Put in no work.no effort. Take a magic pill to solve/fix all your problems. Be lazy. Thats the vibe i get from the first movie
He represents a logical impossibility
The (false) idea that you can achieve greatness with no effort or work
It's sad that some people in Vine take you seriously, i really wonder what goes through your head when you say these things.
You would think that if he's taking the "I spent countless hours studying psychology" route, he would do something about his spelling and grammar.
Steve is a soldier and patriot, Tony is a capitalist and business man. I wouldn't say one is better than the other, but they are two fundamentally different people.
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