From Anti-Hero to Super Douche: How the Protagonist is Changing

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Remember back in the late 80s and early 90s where it become suddenly cool to have an anti-hero? Punisher, Cable, Wolverine, Batman, Lobo, and scores of others began to fall into various demarcations of bad-assery and the fans were eating it up. At the end of the day, if the protagonist had a good heart, what did it matter if he or she killed a few people or participated in some less-than-ethical behavior?


But recently, I've begun to see a new trend that I'm particularly nonplussed about: flippant and brazen disregard aka super-douche behavior. Case and point--Jack of Fables (also, John Colby from Chew, and, to a lesser degree, Deadpool). Now, I ADORE the Fables series; I own everything that has been put out by Vertigo with the Fables name attached (even the book of cover art). However, I never enjoyed the character of Jack Horner solely because of his devil may care, F*** the world attitude. Now, being a character that is bristling over with machismo and testosterone is one thing--I like Bigby Wolf, Wolverine, etc--but being "That Guy"--the person that cares nothing about any other human being, has no common curtesy, and expects the world to cow to whatever demands are made of it ("and you best say please and thank you while doing it") is another matter entirely.

Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? This behavior is nothing but the masculine form of prima donna-ism. It is childish, foolish, and unappealing. If I wanted to see a d-bag use people and throw them away, I could just go visit my own dad. This behavior is supposed to be reserved for villains, not heroes. Your thoughts?
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#1  Edited By ARMIV

I agree. Trends nearly suck all the time, and it appears "douchery" might just be the next best (worst) thing.

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#2  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

I like the "I'm the good guy, but I'll shoot the bad guy in the face" attitude for anti-heroes. Or "I have good intentions. I'm just not a boyscout and I'll do bad things to do good things. End justifies the means and all that..."

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#3  Edited By Caligula

I like the arrogant, F everything attitude.

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#4  Edited By Avenging-X-Bolt
@Roy_G_Bamf said:
"Remember back in the late 80s and early 90s where it become suddenly cool to have an anti-hero? Punisher, Cable, Wolverine, Batman, Lobo, and scores of others began to fall into various demarcations of bad-assery and the fans were eating it up. At the end of the day, if the protagonist had a good heart, what did it matter if he or she killed a few people or participated in some less-than-ethical behavior?

But recently, I've begun to see a new trend that I'm particularly nonplussed about: flippant and brazen disregard aka super-douche behavior. Case and point--Jack of Fables (also, John Colby from Chew, and, to a lesser degree, Deadpool). Now, I ADORE the Fables series; I own everything that has been put out by Vertigo with the Fables name attached (even the book of cover art). However, I never enjoyed the character of Jack Horner solely because of his devil may care, F*** the world attitude. Now, being a character that is bristling over with machismo and testosterone is one thing--I like Bigby Wolf, Wolverine, etc--but being "That Guy"--the person that cares nothing about any other human being, has no common curtesy, and expects the world to cow to whatever demands are made of it ("and you best say please and thank you while doing it") is another matter entirely.

Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? This behavior is nothing but the masculine form of prima donna-ism. It is childish, foolish, and unappealing. If I wanted to see a d-bag use people and throw them away, I could just go visit my own dad. This behavior is supposed to be reserved for villains, not heroes. Your thoughts?
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agreed. seeing this makes me realize how hard ive been on the punisher. when there are much bigger pricks getting spotlight in the world
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#5  Edited By stuamerica

Good does not have to be nice, but that doesn't condone being a dick to everyone.  It is a disturbing trend to say the least.  I will take my Captain America and Thor with a touch of Punisher, thank you very much.

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#6  Edited By joshmightbe

Douches are taking over the world I blame MTV

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#7  Edited By stuamerica
@joshmightbe said:
Douches are taking over the world I blame MTV
Couldn't agree more.
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#8  Edited By KenTheProfile

@Roy_G_Bamf
You hit on something that is total about one thing. Sales figure. for some reason Douche bag culture sale. it has alot to do with the way people are today no one gives a damn about anyone else.

 

what caused it well besides MTv, the it okay to hate arabic people thing, this false fox news patriotism, you guy don't have all day, ohh a generation on now parents who saw "Wall Street" their Mid 20's and total got the idea that Gordon was a hero!  i'll stop because  you can see where i am going

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#9  Edited By Roy_G_Bamf

@KenTheProfile: I totally agree with you. The current culture is backward, so I guess that we can't blame the comic companies for trying to meet the demand of the culture. I tend to forget that sometimes.

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#10  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous

if every one was supergood boyscout heroes I prob wouldn't read comic much, its realistic to have anti-heroes and dicks

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#11  Edited By joshmightbe
@KenTheProfile: I believe the over emphasis on self esteem is a huge part of the d-bag culture going on right now, people should teach their kids that they aren't the center of the universe, no people shouldn't run their kids down but they should give them some sense of reality.  
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#12  Edited By PowerHerc
@joshmightbe said:


                    @KenTheProfile: I believe the over emphasis on self esteem is a huge part of the d-bag culture going on right now, people should teach their kids that they aren't the center of the universe, no people shouldn't run their kids down but they should give them some sense of reality.  

                   

               

Aye, Verily!
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#13  Edited By JoseDRiveraTCR7
@joshmightbe: You hit it right on the head.