do you think bardock was the first super saiyan god

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we heard in the battle of gods movie that there was another ssjg before goku do you think that it could have been bardock because we know he was the first super saiyan but we dont know what happened to him after that so could he be the first super saiyan god

give your reasons first

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He wasn't the first super saiyan. The first super saiyan appeared thousands of years before the series.

and no he isn't the god, there's zero evidence to suggest that.

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I think ur right he is a ssj god

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He wasn't the first super saiyan. The first super saiyan appeared thousands of years before the series.

and no he isn't the god, there's zero evidence to suggest that.

that is why i said do you thin there is no proof that the very first ssj appeared thousands of years ago that is a legend which has never been proven and even if it was true he wasnt able to hold the for without turning into a great ape so not really a ssj and in y opinon bardock is the most likely person to be the first ever ssjg

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#5  Edited By kidchipotle

First Super Saiyan GOD? No.

@fallschirmjager said:

He wasn't the first super saiyan. The first super saiyan appeared thousands of years before the series.

Yes, Bardock was the first Super Saiyan. Frieza's blast sent him back in time, he survived, was on Planet Vegeta when it was still the Planet Plant, then Lord Chilled showed up, killed some innocent people, Bardock went SSJ, beat Chilled, and let him leave to spread the word of the Super Saiyan. Refer to Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock for evidence.

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I literally said 'God No' after reading the title.

One time travel feat is enough for Bardock.

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I think bardock is the super saiyan of the legend vegeta spoke off. But I don't think he was the original super saiyan god mentioned in the movie

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#8  Edited By TheComicPro

I think he was the first super sayian God

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so where did bardock find 5 pure hearted saiyans to go super saiyan god ?

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A better question is was the super saiyan god and the super saiyan of legends the same person ?

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@shonen3: different person based on lore. SSJ god needed 5 or 6 pure hearted saiyans and pure-hearted saiyans don't really exist after that time. SSJ god also failed in his fight suggesting the evil saiyans were able to take over planet vegeta afterwards.

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@kyrees said:

@shonen3: different person based on lore. SSJ god needed 5 or 6 pure hearted saiyans and pure-hearted saiyans don't really exist after that time. SSJ god also failed in his fight suggesting the evil saiyans were able to take over planet vegeta afterwards.

Where is it indicated that pure hearted saiyans don't really exist during the time of the first super saiyan.

It could be theorized that in a last ditch attempt to rid the planet of evil saiyans the super saiyan god (who was unknown at the time) transformed into his oozaru form (making his power known and feared) to wage war on the evil saiyans. However, he ultimately failed as his rage, and anger led to the destruction of the planet and him. Some of the evil saiyans escaped via space pods and settled on planet planet, which was eventually changed to planet vegeta.

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@shonen3: super saiyans are a race of warriors with zero regards to what they do. heck, if goku hadn't had his head bumped when he was a baby or vegeta eventually loving earth, both would have destroyed earth. if we backtrack the saiyan's history in the manga, there's literally zero reference of pure-hearted saiyan existing there since they are employed by freeza. we could surmise that they died out in an internal war judging with shenlong's story. incidentally, unlocking SSJ form required an extreme emotion and vegeta proved one can achieve that form thru sheer frustration.

there is only one planet vegeta and it was destroyed by freeza. they couldn't even travel out of space if they were not annexed by freeza's organization and an oozaru doesn't have the firepower to destroy a planet despite how many they are. they can wreck it but pulverize it ? impossible

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Don't think so.

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@kyrees said:

@shonen3: super saiyans are a race of warriors with zero regards to what they do. heck, if goku hadn't had his head bumped when he was a baby or vegeta eventually loving earth, both would have destroyed earth. if we backtrack the saiyan's history in the manga, there's literally zero reference of pure-hearted saiyan existing there since they are employed by freeza. we could surmise that they died out in an internal war judging with shenlong's story. incidentally, unlocking SSJ form required an extreme emotion and vegeta proved one can achieve that form thru sheer frustration.

there is only one planet vegeta and it was destroyed by freeza. they couldn't even travel out of space if they were not annexed by freeza's organization and an oozaru doesn't have the firepower to destroy a planet despite how many they are. they can wreck it but pulverize it ? impossible

Super saiyans are a race of warriors with zero regards to what they do. heck, if goku hadn't had his head bumped when he was a baby or vegeta eventually loving earth, both would have destroyed earth.

This is based on what ? Source information we got from freiza and Vegeta who had warped views on what a saiyan warrior should be ? Goku was shown to be pretty non blood thirsty when he became a super saiyan.

if we backtrack the saiyan's history in the manga, there's literally zero reference of pure-hearted saiyan existing there since they are employed by freeza.

To be fair the whole pure hearted saiyan was created for the movie,as a convenient plot device so obviously you wouldn't find it in the manga. Also the saiyans weren't rule by freiza their whole existence. It was stated that the saiyans came from another planet, that was destroyed by the super saiyan of legend. Some saiyans escaped and settled down on a planet called Plant, which had native inhabitants called the Tuffles. For years the Tuffle and Saiyans existed in somewhat hostile equlibrium with each other. Then the full moon came out and the saiyans wiped out the Tuffle, and renamed it Planet Vegeta. Some time later the saiyans began trading with another alien race and became space pirates for them in exchange for tech. However,this space group had some relationship with the space organization run by frieza. So eventualy the saiyans became part of the space organization.

To summarise. Their is a whole time period between the destruction of the saiyans original planet, and their time on plant. So their could have been pure hearted saiyans.

We could surmise that they died out in an internal war judging with shenlong's story. incidentally, unlocking SSJ form required an extreme emotion and vegeta proved one can achieve that form thru sheer frustration.

We could argue that the pure hearted saiyans were killed, or were losing the war to the evil saiyans on the original planet. With the loss of his comrades, the Super saiyan god transformed into a golden oozaru in a last ditch attempt to win. Thus, sparking the super saiyan legend.

there is only one planet vegeta and it was destroyed by freeza. they couldn't even travel out of space if they were not annexed by freeza's organization and an oozaru doesn't have the firepower to destroy a planet despite how many they are. they can wreck it but pulverize it ? impossible

Again the planet called vegeta was original planet Plant which were had original inhabitants called the Tuffles. The saiyans were not natives to the planet originally but came from somewhere else.

Saiyan home planet

An oozaru has the power to destroy a planet depending on the saiyan being a certain PL. DBZ works by powerlevels once a character X reaches a certain level they can destroy Y.Golden Oozaru who would be 500x stronger than base stats should more than enough be able to destroy planet, even if we assume the saiyan had the PL equivalent of raditz. Saying it doesn't without backing it up just makes the argument hollow.

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Who said that Bardock didnt simply live with the tuffles until the first saiyans arrived on planet plant. From that moment he would be the first super saiyan, in an attempt to change the future (Because he still has that ability) he tries to stop the evil saiyans from their inevitable doom. In that attempt he could of lured others to his cause, giving him the five pure hearted Saiyins he would need. Who's to even say Bardock didnt survive in the very end simply buying his time to find his son, If he were a god that would exsplain why Goku has never met him in other world or HFIL.

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I missed one interesting point, In dbz "pure hearted Saiyin" doesn't have to even be good, they could be pure evil as seen with vegeta when he first went ssj https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110330145152AAThVPb . So it is also simply possible 5 saiyins in general helped bardock become a ssjg.

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No i doubt it but wait i though that special with him going back in time wasn't canon sigh now i'm confused.

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As the Super Sayian God form closely resembles their based form its highly unlikely that the first Sayian God would have been Bardock as id guess he would also look as Goku does in the form. As seen in the Battle of Gods film the original Sayian God closely resembles that of Vegeta and his father would be most likely in my opinion anyway.

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Bardock was killed by Frieza.

There is no way that he was at SSJG-level.

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@kyrees said:

so where did bardock find 5 pure hearted saiyans to go super saiyan god ?

On Frieza planet 667.

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Sigh, that special was so stupid. I have no idea why everyone wants to go back and retroactively give old characters forms they couldn't have possibly achieved.

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OMG.................................... Talk about not paying attention to details. All your comments was good but all of you miss one very important detail. The part where Shay Long said about 5 to 6 pure of heart Saiyan to create the Saiyan God was only a short cut that Goku did not like in the end. He said it himself that he would rather achieve the form himself. When you achieve it yourself you have better control to actually master it which is also why his fight didn't go so good with Beerus because he had the power but no control and is another reason why Frieza had problem with Goku and Vegeta in his form of Gold because he developed it to fast. So it is possible that with training and time Bardock became a God and in the attempt of stopping the Evil Saiyan he went to their original planet and did a similar attack like Vegeta Final Explosion to destroy the planet and still survived. So in my take in all this Bardock is the legendary Supper Saiyan because he did tell Frieza great, great grandfather Freez that to tell every one who wants to mess with planet plant they would have to deal with him hence that story still scarring everybody in Frieza family. And it is also possible that with time he became a Supper Saiyan God.

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If Bardock was the first SSG, surely he would have been able to defeat Freiza and his galactic army and prevent the destruction of Planet Vegeta. This wasn't the case, so I don't think it was Bardock.

The first Super Saiyan God was rumored to have existed thousands of years before the present time.

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No, that doesn’t even make sense. The first Super Saiyan God would have been around thousands of years before Bardock even existed.

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He couldn't even beat Freiza in his first form...So what the heck would make you think he was a SS God?