Do you consider this characters Skyfather Tier?

So I have seen that on CV there is some debate on where some characters stand(Herald, Street, etc) and one of the tier that I see debate the most is Skyfather, now do what do you think is the requirement for being a Skyfather, can you be a Skyfather by only physicals, or by Hax only, or do you need both? As for the list, do you consider the next characters Skyfather tier, and if you do, where do they stand; low,mid, or high.

1. Thanos
2. Superman Prime
3. Larfleeze
4. Depowered Tyrant
5. Monarch
6. Kal Kent
7. SA Superman

Depends on what you consider to be skyfather tier. The majority of people associate the term "skyfather" with Odin and immediately assume that one has to be a galaxy buster to be in that tier based on his showings alone. Oh and pretty much all of these characters would be considered skyfather+ (especially prime and monarch).

@larfleezy: Thanos is a Skyfather+ character?

Also you think Prime is more powerful than SA Supes?

@thekinfing: I personally think that characters that regularly stomp herald/transcendent tier characters are skyfather, so Thanos would be up there. I do think that Prime is superior to SA Supes because of how massively inconsistent Silver Age characters were and if I'm not mistaken, Prime himself was a SA character.

no he isn't

@kbroskywalker: Who would you consider to be skyfathers?

@larfleezy: all 7 easily

@kbroskywalker: Okay, then why did you dispute the notion that Thanos is a skyfather?

@larfleezy: i was talking about smp>sa supes

@larfleezy: @kbroskywalker: I honestly don't see Thanos as a Skyfather, maybe High-End Team Buster, but thats it, any particular reason you guys see him as Skyfather?

Also what do you think a character have to do to be considered one, ignoring busting capabilities.

@thekinfing: I don;t know much about thanos, but i know he's often at the universal level, also he is often pitted v darkseid so he seems solidly skyfather level based on my limited info

@thekinfing: His intelligence/cunning and versatility warrant his inclusion, IMO.

@marczaddy: uh darkseid definitely is

Post-Crisis and N52 are definitely not Skyfather tier.

@marczaddy: new 52 is well above

Not based on feats, he's not.

@marczaddy: -unaffected by constantine putting a rip in reality

-sensing constantine across multiple universes

-having the upperhand vs an antimonitor who was consuming universes just to match him

-stomping alan scott

@marczaddy:

alan scott had been feeding off the energies of the multiverse

Yes, very nice fluff. But, again, he feats don't amount to much in the way of Skyfather Tier. Alan is very powerful, I know that much, but he's below Skyfathers.

they are though. don't let the low showings from various avatars fool you

@marczaddy: Darkseid definitely is Skyfather tier.

Thanos could at least be considered low Skyfather tier.

Some feats to accompany these claims would nice.

@kbroskywalker: Thanos has never been universal.

Darkseid ranges from Superman to Abstract tier.

never was superman tier, in post crisis supes was either amped by high father, darkseid had lost his omega power, it was desaad not darkseid, darkseid had just had himself killed, or it as an avatar. Darkseid as of post crisis was able to send supes into the source wall with a single punch and instakill supergirl with omegabeams, darkseid has always been way way above supes

@kbroskywalker: Er, you misinterpret me friend. I'm referring to composite Darkseid, including his avatars, which are most of his appearances.

@cruelestashley: I see

Of this list, only Tyrant and Monarch I think.

@marczaddy:

Some feats to accompany these claims would nice.

no problem.

in the final crisis arc, grant morrison explains that all prior encounters with the new gods were simply avatars and only one set of the new gods exist hence there are no alternate versions from other universes. this would mean that only a fraction of darkseid's power has ever been tested against the heroes since these avatars/projections are a fraction of darkseid's power.

for a taste of darkseid's real power, he has empowered individuals such as mantis, validus, stayne, eclipso all of whom have feats of matching classic fate, a sun-eater, takion and spectre in order. he was responsible for behind-the-scenes work that lead to the clash between SMP and Monarch in countdown which would put all his fights with superman as not the real darkseid that supes faced, also revealing multiversal cosmic awareness and during final crisis his dying spirit alone was dragging the multiverse down with him

in the new 52 multiversity his appearances in various universes are still avatars as explained when he faces the n52 JLA and earth 2 JSA etc. one avatar alone had john constantine powerless despite the former trapping a spectre-level being against his will

his powerset alone is borderline reality warping with bonus abilities including summoning death, raising the dead, empowering weaker individuals into powerhouses, stealing and negating others powers, the OB has multiple functions outside of being an energy blast including transmutation, teleportation, phasing etc...abilities of which no trans tier level being has

@marczaddy: He's taken on universal/Skyfather level beings, casually destroys planets, can see through dimensions, tore holes into other universes (Constantine said he could or would destroy his universe or something to that effect), he's stomped very powerful heroes with ease too. He's clearly on the level of someone like Zeus and even at a push Odin, although the latter has far more feats.

DP Tyrant is prob slightly above Skyfather level but the rest I would say are slightly below or maybe Monarch is on that level.

Thank you, but let me just say, people on every tier have abilities like these.

@marczaddy:

Thank you, but let me just say, people on every tier have abilities like these.

really? I don't recall a street tier guy have power stealing abilities. I don't recall a mid tier guy being able to empower weaker characters into powerhouses. I don't recall a high tier guy being able to summon and control an avatar of death. silver surfer is regarded as at the top of the herald tier and he is incapable of raising the dead, much less anyone else below him. not even thanos has the abilities I outlined unless you can show me him shooting eye beams that can zigzag, teleport others away, transmutate others, phase through stuff etc

skyfather + I can agree and even that's somewhat rare

You're misunderstanding, I didn't mean every tier has all of those abilities, just that other tiers have those abilties, just on lower levels, obviously.

@marczaddy: my bad. some examples would be helpful

No. All of them are Transcendent.

@krleavenger: How does that work? Thanos is a Team-Buster at the very least, yet Tyrant was about to thrashed Thanos(an amped Thanos at that), yet they are on the same tier? Also how is Kal transendent? The guy was holding millions upon millions of Solar Systems, Prime is Prime and I think you already know his feats and he clearly isn't just a Team-Buster, Monarch fodderized a small army of Captain Atom, SA Superman is SA Superman.

@thekinfing: The only ones I would call Skyfathers here is Tyrant.

@krleavenger: I understood that at first, but why do you see them at Transendent?

@thekinfing: Because even tho They are OP, They would still get stomped by any Skyfather.

you think zeus can stomp anyone of the above?

1. Thanos No
2. Superman Prime No
3. Larfleeze No
4. Depowered Tyrant Yes
5. Monarch Yes
6. Kal Kent No
7. SA Superman Yes

@emperorthanos: Thanos nor Kal aren't even atleast Low-Skyfather for you?

@emperorthanos: why aren't smp or kal kent skyfather tier if you believe sa supes and monarch are?

Kal Kent isn't. But I was thinking Superboy prime. I guess Superman prime is.

I don't reall rank character under low skyfather.

For me it goes Herald and then skyfather.

Teambusters like Thanos are somewhere inbetween.

@emperorthanos: why wouldn't kal kent be if he can punch through the timestream while weakened and slow down a moving galaxy with his force vision or travel to the 5th dimension by forcing his way there?

@supremeintelligence: I think Kal had help while punching trought the Timestream, and it took him several hits to actually do it, then again he was considerably depowered. What really impress me about him is that he managed to hold a Galaxy, admidetly while struggling incredebly and failing, but my god, holding billions of Solar Systems like that....I can't imagine what he would do to much smaller things if he focused all of his power.

@supremeintelligence: Couldn't someone just as easily ask why those feats should mean he is skyfather tier? Lots of characters have punched through dimensional barriers when they've needed to. Its kind of basic plot power tbh for characters with a lot of physical strength. Even the 'pushing a galaxy feat' while sort of impressive(and done with help) is kind of hard to gauge exactly. Its like I can stop a car from going down a hill but if someone else could pick up that car and throw it 100ft I would be like 'wow, that guy could prob kill me in seconds'. So while Kal has stopped a galaxy for a while other Skyfather tier characters have actually destroyed galaxies which is much more impressive and requires a lot more power.