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Debunking the lowballing arguments against Superman

Superman: The Super Underestimated Kryptonian Problem :

Myth #1 - "Superman cannot move Planets or Moons at all"

Exhibit A: Taken from New World of Krypton #7, where both Superman as "Commander El" and several other Kryptonians struggle with and fail to physically move one Moon, in order to place it in-orbit around New Krypton as their new Planet's Satellite:

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The scan is very specific, referencing to Callisto, one of Jupiter's Moons - it's the third-largest Moon in the Solar System, having 99% of Mercury's size but a third of its mass at around 118 Quintillion tons, or 107 Sextillion kilograms. Of course, even with the considerable weight, Superman should've been able to move this large Satellite easily on his own, right? Yes, if you ignore the context. Anyone else notice the dialogue, in the panel of this "de-bunking" proof?

"We've been trying to smash the Sunstone crystals controlling Callisto's speed--but we can't break the envelope, and we've been unable to link up to the replacement pilot vessel."

"Rao knows how much Speed and G-Force we're up against"

Well, how's that for context? Callisto wasn't moving to New Krypton by itself, but it was traveling via a "Sunstone Crystal" technology utilized commonly for Kryptonian labor. Not only that, but if you actually read the comic, you'll find out that 1) most of the Kryptonians had literally just gotten their powers, and so were not too proficient in using them, 2) the Kryptonians were just in a battle with some renegade Thanagarian forces, so some of them might've been injured, 3) the advanced guidance system for the "Sunstone Crystal" technology was disrupted, and 4) the Moon had traveled from the middle of Earth's Solar System towards New Krypton, which is directly on the opposite side of Earth from the Sun, as established in the New Krypton story arc and elaborated more later on:

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What does this mean? This means that, for Jupiter's Moon to travel from its original orbit to New Krypton and threaten it, it would've had to travel half the Solar System to the Sun and then travel right past the Sun to New Krypton - that would be a distance of exactly 683,526,805 kilometers or at 38 Light Minutes, and that means that the Jovian Moon must've traveling at Relativistic speeds of at least 159,702.524 km per second or 59,702,524 m/s, around 53.27% of the Speed of Light. This point is also further reinforced by Superman himself actually describing the "envelope" that was generated by means of that Kryptonian "Sunstone Crystal" technology as being "Relativistic". Also, keep in mind that the Kryptonians had also likely still wanted to keep the Moon intact in order for it to orbit around New Krypton, not simply destroy it. With that being said, let's look at the feat and calculate it:

KE = 1/2mv^2

KE = 1/2 (107 Sextillion*59,702,524 m/s)^2

KE = 1.744728e+39 Joules

Calculating the Kinetic Energy behind the Jovian Moon, it would've had about 417.6 Sextillion megatons of force behind it - that's enough energy to move a Planet with the mass of Earth at a speed of 27,485,300 km per hour or 76,347,988.87 m/s, around Mach 224,361. That being said, this was easily a mid-tier Planet-moving feat and not just a Moon-moving feat. Fun fact; that same amount of Energy would also be enough to destroy the entire Planet 7,879,245 times over. Even dividing the Kinetic Energy among the 9 to 12 Kryptonians that I've counted on-panel, that still puts all of them as individually being more than capable of moving and destroying a Earth-sized Planet.

Exhibit B: Taken from Justice League of America #58, showing Superman struggling with both Wonder Woman and Green Lantern to pull the Moon as a team of Magic Users "assisted" them:

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First off, the Magicians didn't help move the Earth - they were simply trying to negate the effects of the Lunar Gravity that the Moon's movement would've had on the Earth. This is clearly explained in-comic, and even the panel states that the Magicians were "running Interference in the Upper Troposphere" for the sole purpose to "nullify Lunar Gravity".

Second of all, they weren't trying to just move the Moon - they were trying to move the Moon quickly, in order to 1) minimize Human casualities via suffocation and 3) keep the Magicians from having to nullify its Lunar Gravity for too long. Not only that, but the Justice Leaguers were also trying to actually control the velocity of the Moon to keep it from physically impacting with the Earth - Not only were Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern moving the Moon, but it's shown that they were also attempting to not overshoot the momentum of the Moon into the Planet itself, only to pass it by before pulling it back at the last second :

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harder to pull a Moon long and then halt it with that much momentum, changing its direction like they did - to sum it up, they basically attempted to "throw" the Moon into Earth's atmosphere in order to accomplish the feat faster, and then pulled it back quickly enough so that it wouldn't actually collide with the Planet's surface. The resulting Kinetic energy needed to generate that much momentum and then to overcome it would also require them to overpower more of Earth's Gravitay, putting it be closer to mid-to-high end Planet-moving force, not just mere Moon-moving force.

Exhibit C: Taken from Superman #173 and Action Comics #782, both coming from the "Our Worlds at War" story arc and showcasing a sun-dipped Superman struggling Warworld, a Pluto-sized mechanical satellite:

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Now, despite all his blatant downplaying, I'll still give UltimateSaiyan some credit where it's due, here - Warworld is said specifically to be the size of Pluto and, in comparison to Superman's size, doesn't look like a very large Planet. Despite this, however, there's still a couple of points that weren't brought up in his blog:

1. While Warworld was the same size as Pluto, it still didn't possess the same density - a object's physical Mass is calculated by both these factors, and Warworld was an artificial Planet, made up of an unknown metal-like alloy which would've been much denser and heavier than the Planetary rock that Pluto is actually made of. Since Warworld is still the same size as Pluto, but is also much denser, Warworld would have more mass and thus, more weight behind it.

2. While Warworld was still only as heavy as its mass, density, and size is, we'd also have to take into account Warworld's thrusters - Brainiac 13 even mentions them, as Superman had moved Warworld, utilizing them at full throttle as Superman had attempted to move Warworld:

"Full Thruster Countermeasure -- how is he moving my Planet!?"

Judging from previous appearances of Warworld, as well as the feats performed in these very issues, Warworld's thrusters can propel the satellite at massively FTL speeds, and this plays into how Superman pushed Warworld against the full power of those same thrusters, ergo using his immense strength to push against these FTL forces as well as Warworld's Planetary Mass. Also, in terms of the Kismit Boost, it was shown in the comic that Superman had already lost his substantial power boost from Kismit/Strange Visitor, upon punching and damaging Imperiex's armor, only having his Sun-dip as a Power Boost upon pushing Warworld:

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Since Warworld is made up of metal and Pluto is made out of Planetary rock, it's reasonable to assume that Warworld is denser than Pluto, so let's say that the metal's density is similar to that of steel, which is a very common, man-made metal alloy. The density of Steel is 7.85t/m3 and, given the density of the stone, it's specifically based off of the same Sandstone that's a normal, common stone found on Earth, itself having a comparable density of only 2.2t/m3. This estimate probably is a low-end one, considering that Warworld could've easily been comprised of an Alien metal found on another Planet with more Gravity, and thereby possess more density. Regardless, Pluto as a Celestial Object possesses a mass of 13.1 Quintillion tons, but Warworld's mass, calculated by (7.85/2.2)x13.1 Quintillion, gives us a mass closer to 46.74 Quintillion tons of mass. We also can't forget the thrusters which, although clearly having moved Warworld at FTL speeds, we can still make a conservative estimate and assume were only propelling the Planet at 0.9999999999999999 of the Speed of Light, being one quadrillionth less than that 300,000 km per second, so calculated with 46.74 quintillion/(1-0.9999999999999999^2)^0.5 tons. Accounting for both a) the missing Mass of Warworld, due to its higher density and durability, and b) the fact that Warworld was also moving at relativistic speeds, and therefore exerting even more force by means of Mass Dilation, the calculation then puts Superman's strength at 1.05 Octillion tons.

Note: Credit for this calculation goes to UniqueGamer and his sources, as was featured in his own blog "Superman vs. Goku Death Battle: An Alternate Analysis" - while I don't agree with it in the fullest sense, it clearly has unbiased effort put into it, and Ican't fault him for what's in that blog.

Exhibit D: Taken from Justice League of America #75, showing Superman struggling to pull the Earth with the assistance of Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter:

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First off, yes, they were pulling the Planet - the smoke trail behind them clearly makes this evident, but they just weren't able to pull it fast enough, which is why Kyle Rayner had needed to jump in and aid them in the last panel. It had also been mentioned on-panel that they were in a hurry, because Martian Manhunter didn't know how long the spell on Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth would've lasted and, given the speed evident by the smoke cloud, even a low-end calculation would'veput this feat at high Planetary-level. For further information, I refer you to this calc as is credited to Derpaholic and his sources:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17883

The distance that Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman had dragged Planet Earth was calculated as being 11,120.7 km, based on our pixel-scaling off of the diameter of the Earth itself and, by using the Kinetic Energy formula and using a low-end time of 10 seconds, this calc had gotten us a total energy of 8.826249392e20 Megatons of force, or divided into 2.942e20 Megatons of force per Justice Leaguer - enough to, again, pull the Earth at Hypersonic speeds.

Now, what other feats have Superman actually done, to put him at that Planet-moving level in terms of his physical lifting strength? The first feat that I'll present as proof of Superman possessing this kind of strength is in Justice League of America Volume 2 #29 - here, Superman moves the entire Earth with a harness constructed by Hal Jordan's Green Lantern Ring against the grip of Star-Breaker, who is a fully-grown Sun-Eater attempting to drag the Earth into the Sun:

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Considering the context, this is easily enough force exerted to physically drag the Earth out of its orbit, and is also more than enough to physically push or move one of Earth's size, as well. The Sun is about 149,600,000 km in distance from the Earth, or at around 8.3 Light-Minutes, and the villain that's trying to drag the Earth into the Sun is Starbreaker, a fully-grown adult Sun-Eater. Take note that Green Lantern wasn't helping Superman physically move the Planet, by bearing any of the weight. He only constructed the harness that Superman utilized to move the Earth faster than he could with just his hands, and even in saying that, the likelihood is that Superman had held back to minimize the strain on Hal's harness-like construct. Even if we do assume that Green Lantern did assist beyond generating the harness and had actually bore some of the Earth's weight, Superman still pulled at least the equivalent of Earth's mass.

The second feat I'll present is taken from Trinity #2, showing Superman physically moving one miniature Sun that was 1) not empowering him, and 2) constantly growing, already being large enough to have a noticeable Gravitational Pull, therefore having miniature Planets orbiting it.

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Even considering the smaller size of the Sun, its density would still easily put it at large Planet-level, and its Gravitational Pull is shown to match - in comparison, our own Sun was estimated as having a Mass of 2 Nonillion tons of weight behind it, though we have no stated mass for this Star beyond the fact that its Themonuclear reaction is still active and, therefore, it must possess Stellar Mass. Stellar Mass can range from as low as 0.0013 Solar Masses to as much as 150 Solar Masses, so let's take the absolute minimum as the low-end:

1 Solar Mass (M☉) = 1.9891e30 kg, or 1.989 Octillion tons.

1.9891e30*0.0013 = 2.59e27 kg, or 2.854 Septillion tons.

So, my estimate is that Superman had physically pushed a object that weighed around 0.0013 M☉ or 2.854 Septillion tons, hundreds of times heavier than Planet Earth. If we'd want to consider it, technically, this estimate could've actually been downplaying the feat. How? Because the Sun had been 1) still growing, and 2) still moving towards Earth - the Mass had to come from somewhere, and so I could easily reason that the Sun, while being much smaller than normal, still had far more Stellar Mass behind it and was just simply transferring its mass from its density to its size. Not to mention that as a second point, since the Sun was also clearly heading towards Earth, we'd still have to figure out where the Sun came from and, therefore, just how fast it had been moving towards Earth via P=MV - the comic itself had said that this Sun was from another Universe, and so considering the implied distance and the fact that there's really no time-frame given, I'm not even going to bother.

Nevertheless, the clear throwing of one miniature Sun by a non-sundipped Superman still very much remains just as surely an impressive feat of Superman's own strength, especially while withstanding Solar heat without being empowered, which definitely contradicts him somehow still not being able to move the Earth or the Moon. All these feats, while being used in conjunction with the context of those "de-bunking" feats posted as evidence by UltimateSaiyan, proves that Superman can, in fact, move Moons and Planets.

Myth #2 - "Superman cannot destroy Earth-sized Planets, and had needed the Infinite Mass Punch just to destroy the Moon"

Okay, while not having been brought up by UltimateSaiyan in his blog, I've heard other DBZ fans argue this point and, by him claiming that Superman cannot move either Moons or Earth-sized Planets, UltimateSaiyan is also insinuating by means of logical progression that Superman cannot destroy such Celestial bodies, as well. The most frequently used evidence of this claim is within Justice League of America Vol 2. #30, during which Superman is knocked out while using the Infinite Mass Punch in order to destroy a "Shadow Moon" that was created by Shadow Thief from the Moon's own shadow, heading strait for Earth:

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Once again, context is disregarded, here - in order to see this, let's take a look at the previous scan:

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1) Now, first of all, I'd like to clear up the clear factual contradiction in this scan, most specifically in regards to where the Moon's mass is stated on-panel:

"The Shadow's mass will be the same as the real Moon."

"81 Billion tons."

Now, that second line of dialogue, as stated by Batman, is false - the Mass of the Moon is not 81 Billion tons but is instead, in fact, much closer to 81 Billion Billion tons at 81 Quintillion tons, or at 73 Sextillion kilograms. I've also heard DBZ fanboys try and suggest that the DC Comics variant of the Earth's Moon had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon, but this claim is also false. The writer of Justice League Vol. 2 #30, Dwayne McDuffie, had later specifically mentioned on his own website that he had tried to, and made a error in, calculating the real-life Moon's mass for this comic, as well as that he had originally intended to utilize the actual Moon's mass of 81 Quintillion tons. This is also very evident even in the dialogue itself, where it's clearly stated that the Shadow Moon's mass "will be the same as the real Moon", yet the distinction still wouldn't make much sense, if Earth's Moon in the DC Universe had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon.

2) For some strange reason, some people always seem to selectively forget the basic scientific principal of "Force = Mass*Acceleration", even when it's been spoon-fed to them - it's also even funnier because that exact same comic, which had mentioned the F=MA equation on-panel, has already established that the Mass of the Shadow Moon, as well as the fact that it was heading to Earth. Still, do we know just how fast it was going?

"My ring clocks it at 7,614,000 km per hour"

...and thank you, Green Lantern! Now, we have everything that we need to figure out just how much Kinetic Enery the Shadow Moon was exerting while heading for Earth, and how much Superman had to exert to stop it! Keep in mind that Superman didn't simply "stop" the Shadow Moon either - he actually was able to not only match the Shadow Moon's forward momentum, moving at 7,614,000 km per hour or 2,115,000 m/s, but also outright shattered it into fragments and exerted far more than the necessary power to pulverize it.

KE = 1/2mv^2

KE = 1/2(73 Sextillion*2,115,000)^2

KE = 1.632727124e+35 Joules

Calculating the Kinetic Energy of the Shadow Moon has given us a result of 3.9 Quintillion Megatons of force - that's enough energy to destroy Earth 735.84x over. n reality, then, and with this feat calculated properly, we'd discover that the collision had actually featured Superman having been exerting Large Planet-busting to Multi-Planet busting force with that IMP, and not merely Moon-busting force - to tell you the truth, this would've made perfect sense when we also consider that the entire point of Shadow Thief even sending this energy-based "Shadow Moon" to collide with the Earth, was actually to destroy the Planet!

3) Superman was knocked out by the strain of using the Infinite Mass Punch, not merely by the act of destroying the Shadow Moon. So, how do we know this? Because we know the scientific basis that is behind the functionality of the Infinite Mass Punch (IMP):

F = MA - The vector sum of the Forces (F) on any object is equal to the Mass (M) of said object, multiplied by the Acceleration (A) vector of the same object. In short; Force = Mass*Acceleration.

This principal, the Second Law of Newton's Three Laws of Motion, is just one of the two fundamental scientific principals that are both behind the use of the Infinite Mass Punch (IMP), with the other being Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity - the latter theory states that 1) nothing can surpass the Speed of Light, and 2) if a particle having Mass ever did somehow accelerate towards the Speed of Light, then that particle's Mass would proceed to increase exponentially towards having Infinite Mass. This is also consistent with what has been expressed in the Justice League of America: New World Order story arc in which the Flash, the inventor of the Infinite Mass Punch, had hit a White Martian with the IMP and in-monologue noted that as he'd approached the Speed of Light, all visual input had begun to blue-shift and his body's mass increased "towards Infinity":

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So, this shows us that Superman's Infinite Mass Punch doesn't have a fixed output of energy - it varies greatly, depending on how long Superman can stay just under the Speed of Light as well as how close he can possibly get to traveling at the Speed of Light, while staying just under it. Another of Newton's Laws of Motion, the Third Law, also reveals the backlash of using the Infinite Mass Punch and is thereby able to reveal why Superman was really knocked out during the Shadow Moon feat:

"When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body - in short; for every action, there is a equal and opposite reaction"

In more common terms, this basic scientific principal is more commonly known as recoil, such as when you're discharging a firearm - there's always a force that's working against you, pushing against your body as you're firing, depending only on the size, weight and mass of the round that you're firing and regardless of the mass of the target that you're firing at. That being said, there was also likely a similar backlash when Superman had propelled his body, having exponentially increased its mass, to collide with the Shadow Moon, regardless of the force exerted by the Shadow Moon itself. When this is experienced in conjunction with the physical strain of increasing his mass to that point, which probably was more than enough to pull a couple of muscles, that was probably what had made Superman get knocked out. Even ignoring this point, we could also easily liken this feat to Superman simply throwing one punch with literally every single ounce of his body's strength - let the Plot Gods help whatever he'd actually manage to hit with that punch but, just as it would've been with a normal Human being, his bodily tissues would likely be in just as bad a shape. This was further proven by the fact that Superman didn't remain unconcious for very long, after destroying the Shadow Moon - in fact, he was fully recovered in the very next panel and the only noticable damage that he had suffered from was a slightly-torn suit.

In addition, It's also noteworthy to point out that the Flash, again, as being the inventor of the Infinite Mass Punch, doesn't have this problem due to one factor - the Speed Force, which has both defied the Laws of Physics and simply redirects all of the exerted force away from the Flash himself. This is also why we rarely, if ever, actually see the Flash generate Sonic Booms on-panel, or why the Flash also doesn't ever have the particular need to de-accelerate while traveling in crowed areas, such as cities - it's because there's simply no backlash exerted to affect his surroundings and, in conjunction with his senses and reflexes, nobody that he will affect by running past them. Superman, however, doesn't have that benefit - he has no access to the Speed Force, as the Flash does, and so is limited to relying on his Kryptonian durability and his Bio-Electric Aura to endure the increase of Mass that the Flash doesn't need to.

Now, what further proof do we have, of Superman being able to destroy Moons and Planets with not just the IMP, but even with his normal punches? Well, we actually have numerous examples of both Superman and Supergirl, both having similar physical power behind them, shown as capable of damaging and outright destroying Moons with little-to-no difficulty:

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Not only that, but we still have this: the first feat I'll present is an example of how Superman was fighting General Zod on a artificially-created Planet Earth named Metropia, and located within the Phantom Zone during Superman #215, in the "For Tomorrow" Story Arc. Their fight had been shown as tearing apart the entire Planet while they had thrown, once again, normal punches - not only that, but both of them were evidently under a Red Sun, therefore being slightly weakened, and they also weren't even impacting the Planet with their punches. That would mean that each of their punches had actually been so powerful that just the mere shockwaves of them had begun in shaking the Planet and tearing it apart:

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But no scan is complete without context, right?

The second feat that I'll present is taken from the well-known "Infinite Crisis" story arc, where Post-Crisis Superman and Kal-L, a alternate Superman from the World of Earth-2, had begun to fight in a battle that actually "shatters the boundaries of Space and Time", even destroying a separate Alternate Earth in the process and inducing one of the many retcons in DC Comics - this has again shows that while their actual punches had been inflicting a lot more damage, just the shockwave of one of those punches was enough to destroy the Planet. It's also noteworthy to mention that this fight was shown multiple times in several comics throughout the "Infinite Crisis" story arc, but we're going to be mainly concentrating on just one of them - the fight written by Joe Kelley in Adventures of Superman #649:

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For this feat to have occurred, the Supermen must've outputted at least 53 Quadrillion Megatons of impact force into those punches, even though the secondary feat of "shattering the boundaries of Time and Space" would essentially be unquantifiable. Just for accuracy's sake, here's the entire fight that's been shown on-panel, preceding up to the "Earth-shattering" punch:

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Now, I've seen DBZ fanboys argue against this feat, not because of fanboism or stubbornness, but by simply misinterpreting what's happening on-panel - they all assume that Superman and the comic had been speaking about shattering Earth-2, and debunk this feat on the grounds that Earth-2 appears to be fine afterwards, if not a little worse-for-wear - they are correct in that the Earth that both of them were fighting on was Earth-2, and that said Earth was actually fine after the fight, but it wasn't ever specifically stated in the comic that Earth-2 was the "World" that they had "shattered". Well, how do we make sense of this feat, then? Why was it stated that one of the Supermens' blows had "shattered the World"? Easy - it was merely because it wasn't necessarily Earth-2 that was actually shattered, but this could've been a completely different alternate Earth. Is this even possible? Yes, and for two in-panel reasons:

1) The two Supermen involved were already punching each other hard enough to have "shattered the boundaries of Time and Space" - we could argue that this feat would've taken much more force than mere Planet-busting, but even ignoring that, such a feat now proves that various other dimensions were already accessible at the time - if this was coming from a particularly strong haymaker, for example, it's still entirely possible that the source of the disturbance in Space-Time could cause enough interference to destroy an Alternate Earth. This was further proven by the fact that, after the fight, other Alternate Earths were visible and even some of them were even colliding with each other - this had been specifically shown in Infinite Crisis #5. This would further prove my point that, as the two Superman had fought, it's entirely possible and even likely that the fight had actually been taken to Orbit, at least at one point, and that one, if not several, Alternate Earths would've also been in danger of being destroyed from the fight:

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2) In addition, the entire basis behind the "Infinite Crisis" Story Arc was that the Alternate Earths were being destroyed and recreated at a constant rate - The newly-created Multiverse was still very unstable, at this point in time, because of Alexander Luthor Jr. using the temporal distortion to drag various Alternate Earths into the one Universe, and so those Alternate Earths, as I've said, were all constantly appearing within the proximity of Earth-Two and would've been in what is known as a "Quantum Superposition". Even if this was actually Earth-Two that had been destroyed, it would've also seemed entirely possible that it would just be brought back, as it was during the exact moment of its destruction, due to Alexander Luthor Jr. constantly finding more Alternate Earths. This entire theory was based around the Many-Worlds Interpretation, the Quantum Mechanical theory that serves as being the fundamental basis for the entire DC Multiverse, and we could argue that because every single possible outcome must have some Alternate World where that outcome is a reality, then any destroyed Alternate Worlds would need to be immediately recreated to serve that vital purpose.

It's also noteworthy to mention that, despite Earth-One most likely remaining intact throughout the entire fight between these two Supermen, it had still not gone unscathed in said fight without damage. Infinite Crisis #5 also showz Earth-One's surface as being heavily-damaged by the time that Wonder Woman had actually arrived there, with literally all of Metropolis shown as being in flames and, presumably, the entirety of Earth-One being rendered completely uninhabitable as a result:

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This fact is further backed up on-panel, again, by other retellings of the fight within other Comic Books - Action Comics #836, as another example, features Earth-One having taken a entire week to die and there being no other living thing on the Planet except for Superman:

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In addition, Superman himself has expressed how he can physically destroy Small Planets with his normal punches, even while holding back - do take note that Superman, unlike many of his villians, is not a braggart and therefore has no reason to exaggerate, as well as the astronomy-based fact that Earth, when compared to other terrestrial Celestial Bodies, is essentially a "small Planet".

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Superman has even passively mentioned such punching strength to Batman, expressing that a out-of-control Supergirl "throwing a teenage fit" would be capable of accidentally "cracking the Planet (Earth) in half", and Batman notably didn't deny the claim openly that Kara possesses the raw force needed to perform such a feat:

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These are just some of the claims that Superman has made, and also notice that one of these claims is clearly expressed in-monologue? - Superman's not even making the claim out-loud, so that takes away the idea of him bragging or over-exaggerating his power to Konvict, whom he's fighting at the time of the claim. The last claim, as well, leaves little room for doubt, and it's also notable to mention that the Elementals that Superman was threatening had backed down upon his threat, further suggesting that it's completely possible for Superman to destroy the Planet if he so wished.

Myth #3 - "Superman can only move at FTL speeds when accelerating, not immediately"

Exhibit A: This scan is taken from Adventures of Superman #620, and was used by UltimateSaiyan in order to imply that Superman cannot move at FTL speeds immediately, and first must break through the threshold where "Space bends around him, at this Velocity" and "Time slows down" at Relativistic speeds:

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The issue here is that this scan proves nothing - Superman can move at FTL speeds immediately, if he chooses to, but that doesn't mean that he always does nor does one scan of him casually not doing so prove that he cannot do this. It does show some insight in terms of how Superman flies, however, as it clearly describes Superman as "bending Space" - this was similar to one theory that Desaad, one of Darkseid's scientists, had formulated to explain Superman's flight:

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Superman doesn't constantly rely on bending Space, however, such as when increasing his bodily mass relativistically to use the Infinite Mass Punch (IMP), but I digress. Anyhow, in order to counter this scan, I'll use another taken from Superman #709, in the Superman: Grounded" Story Arc, during which Superman had still done the exact same thing with his perceptions without acceleration:

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...and during which "the whole World has just frozen in place" - it's also notable to mention that the entire conversation had also taken up the following 2 or 3 Comic Book pages, as well:

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All of this being considered, these particular events would obviously be taking place at a similar speed to UltimateSaiyan's panel. Superman had casually talked to the Flash for a good 3 or 4 more pages of dialogue, and so it clearly shows that Superman can reach these top speeds with little-to-no effort or acceleration over a prolonged period of time . Also the writer of Superman #709, Chris Roberson, had some interesting things to say, in regards Superman having to "speed up" his senses while using his Super-Speed. Not only does this interview actually confirm that Superman has massively beyond nanosecond-precise perception and reaction time - even up towards attosecond-precise, according to Roberson himself - but also brings out that there actually isn't any drawn out speed-up time for Super-Speed perceptions and reactions:

It's a fair question, to be sure. I wasn't thinking of Superman "activating" his superspeed perceptions, like it was a light switch that could be turned on and off, so much as it was shifting his perceptions to bring superspeed events and sounds into focus. Like the human eye looking at something small and close up and then adjusting when the viewer looks at something large and far away, I think Superman is perceiving all of these things, ALL of the time, and it's just a question of what he chooses to focus on. But I think Superman is also capable of focusing on macro-scale, "normal" speed events at a rate something similar to that in the typical human range, so that he wouldn't spend a subjective eternity between each word in every sentence that Lois says to him. Similarly, he can chose to perceive visual information much like we do, or he can expand his perceptions and see far into the electromagnetic spectrum, or narrow his focus far enough to see individual atoms. But just like he doesn't see Lois as merely a cloud of electrons, neutrons, and protons, he doesn't perceive every second as composed of a huge number of attosecond-scale events--unless he wants to, of course.

But that's just one fan's opinion, too!

Best,

Chris Roberson

Sure, you might be able to make the argument that objects were simply moving very, very, very slowly in this particular instance, but we'd also have to take into account that it was never said in-panel, not to mention that Superman could also see sub-atomically, at this point, and so he'd easily be able to know exactly what objects were moving at whatever speed. Even Chris Roberson himself mentions this point above, so if Superman states that something is "frozen", then it's very reasonable to assume that said thing is frozen even on a sub-atomic level.

Exhibit B: Next, UltimateSaiyan had used this scan, from Superman Volume 2 #195, and suggests that Superman implies himself that he cannot move at FTL speeds:

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This is incorrect, as Superman actually says that he "can move almost at the Speed of Light", not that he directly can't move at or past the Speed of Light - there is notably very little context provided here and, in addition, notice that Superman also claimed that he "can hold his breath in Space". This issue had been written in September 2003 when, in 2001, Superman had already trained with Mongul II and shouldn't have had to breathe at all. What does this mean? Considering the appearance of Cir-El, the future daughter of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, as "Supergirl" as well as various other factors in the story, this issue was either a) an Elseworld story or b) a Prequal story, featuring a much younger, weaker, and slower Superman who hadn't yet unlocked all of his mental barriers. Similarly, there are various other statements that aren't used by UltimateSaiyan, and yet are still commonly taken out of context to downplay Superman - one of which was taken from Justice League of America Vol 1. #21, where the Justice League had teamed up with Adam Strange to prevent Rann from being invaded by En'tarians:

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This statement is taken out of context because Superman wasn't just referring to Light, in general, but had actually been talking about the Raanian Zeta-Beams that the Justice League needed to outrace at the time - these same Zeta-Beams had allowed Raanians to travel multiple Light Years within mere seconds as a advanced form of teleportation, so this so called "Light" had actually been travelling at massively faster-than-Light speeds. Furthermore, yet another example was taken from Justice League of America #14, during the Lightning Saga story arc, in which the Justice League had been trying to detain the Injustice League which had included Lex Luthor, Gorrila Grodd, Parasite, and Doctor Light:

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Again, this was blatantly taken out of context. Granted, the blast did come from Doctor Light, which means that the Laser-like blast had actually been more than likely moving at Lightspeed, but we have to take into account other factors regarding Superman's speed - Unfortunately, this scan doesn't hold much merit because of this:

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Superman almost always holds back his flight speed, especially in populated areas, to avoid causing Sonic Booms and Supersonic Shockwaves - and also take notice that Superman had still been flying indoors within that last scan. Ergo, Superman had been intentionally flying below the Speed of Light while travelling into a confined area to avoid collateral damage or even death, due to that area being crammed in by Supervillains that he only wanted to detain, not kill. Sonic Booms might not be lethal by themselves, granted, but the Supersonic Shockwaves that produce Sonic Booms can cause severe potential injuries - just the air displacement alone, if it's powerful enough, is able to pulverize bones, rupture blood vessels, and even liquefy gas-containing organs. The body's heart and lungs, for example, would rupture at about 40 PSI, whereas the water displacement visibly featured in the scan above had obviously exerted much more pressure than that. if that wasn't enough, nearby debris that a Shockwave happens to hit can be accelerated into makeshift peices of shrapnel (Wood, Stone, Plastic, Metal, ect...) that can easily tear through the body and produce hydrostatic shock, even further causing internal damage:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2733763

"The compression and suction phases of blast dynamics manifest as shock waves and displacement waves respectively. The effects of a shock wave depends on the explosive charge, the distance from the explosion and the terrain and surroundings. Spalling, implosion, inertia and pressure differentials are mechanisms by which injury may be inflicted to the human body, especially to the gas containing organs. Displacement waves cause light objects to become high velocity missiles which may cause lacerations or penetrating wounds."

Keep in mind, too, that this would be affected by Superman's distance to ground level while flying, as well - Fighter Jets that are able to fly at Supersonic speeds have been seen as breaking the Sound Barrier relatively close to civilians, but only do this at low Mach Speeds and, typically, only at higher altitudes. Much of a Shockwave's power has to do with the amount of air that it displaces, and moving that fast at a higher altitude means less air to displace. A Fighter Jet that reaches Mach 1.4 at 20,000 feet above ground level, for example, isn't going to have nearly as powerful a Supersonic Shockwave or as loud a Sonic Boom as Superman reaching Mach 10,000 at 5,000 feet above ground level.

Exhibit C: Then next scan that UltimateSaiyan used had portrayed Superman escaping from a Black Hole, and struggled to accelerate in order to reach the Speed of Light:

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This, once again, proves nothing - the escape velocity of a Black Hole in of itself surpassing the Speed of Light, and so you have to be travelling at that speed just to simply move forward within one's Event Horizaon. Superman had already been exerting a substantial amount of energy, more than necessary to move at FTL speeds, just to stay stationary and keep from being sucked in, let alone actually move at significant speeds in the opposite direction. This is also proven in the comic with the order of events, as Superman had initially got a substantial start and does accelerate to FTL speeds in mere seconds, but when that Gravity catches up to him, his speed plummets from "184,202 miles per second" to literally "0 feet per second":

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Think of it like a Truck pulling a loose tree stump, or a boulder - that truck isn't going to move nearly as fast, no matter how much Horsepower (hp) you give it, because whatever it's towing is holding it back with its weight. Superman is the "Truck", basically, and the Black Hole's Gravitational Pull is a "boulder" that is a lot bigger than the "Truck" trying to tow it. Even Light itself cannot even travel a single inch per second forwards while inside the Event Horizon of a Black Hole, despite Photons consistently moving at an incredible 186,000 miles per second otherwise. Why? Because the Gravitational energy that is now fighting against that same 186,000 miles per second speed is far too great, and the same energy that is pulling it backwards is slowing down its forward movement from that ridiculous speed to a non-existant crawl.

Not only that, but just take a second look at the last panel, showing Superman "needing to accelerate" - notice how surprised he was? Supes was just, without any warning, thrown into a Black Hole, and we already know that he isn't always moving at the Speed of Light without focusing and "speeding up" his senses. It would stand to reason, then, that Superman was caught off guard and required mere fractions of a second, at the very most, to reach those speeds and that there's nothing hampering him from doing so otherwise, while not inside a Black Hole. It was even suggested at one point that it had actually been a double Black Hole, or two Black Holes conjoined to "create a opening in the Space/Time Continuum", therefore having twice the Gravitational Pull - this would've further explained both the "instant" loss of his speed as well as him appearing to be pulled in two, due to literally all of the light reflecting off of his body being pulled between two separate directions, and then towards two different Black Holes. Yes, the comic itself states that there's "no scientific proof or experimental evidence" for the theory, but that still doesn't dismiss the possibility, and there's a lot in DC Comics that lacks scientific basis:

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So, "how fast was Superman going?" Well, that's unknown - because we have no further concrete information given as to what the mass of whatever had caused the Black Hole even was, either collapsing Star or not, this means that it's a unquantifiable feat, beyond being far greater than the Speed of Light.

Exhibit D: UltimateSaiyan uses a panel from Action Comics Vol 1. #847, where Superman has escaped a Sun-Eater's explosion caused by the detonation of a Entropy Bomb, which was "50 times larger than Keplar's Supernova", in order to prove that Superman cannot easily move at the Speed of Light while once again ignoring context:

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To shed light on this feat, I use this scan, from the exact same comic:

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Superman was de-powered by Red Sun radiation coming from the Sun-Eater, thus wasn't at full power and could've easily escaped the shockwave while at full strength. It's been shown that, while being de-powered, his ability to Fly and thus the speed at which he does so is the first of his powers to fail him, so Superman clearly couldn't move at FTL speeds at the time due to the circumstances surrounding the feat. Once again, it's not definitive proof, and Superman's been shown as moving FTL before, which we'll cover in full later on, but I'd thank UltimateSaiyan for the superb Durability feat of Superman having survived a Sun-Eater explosion, quoted as being "50 times larger than Keplar's Supernova".

Exhibit E: Next, UltimateSaiyan uses the famed Superman feat from the "For Tomorrow" story arc, where Superman had failed to save soldiers from the bullets of a M60 Machine Gun, and uses it just as every other Superman hater would - by claiming that Superman was just "too slow" to catch said bullets:

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...while ignoring the context of the story - namely, that the bullets had clearly been fired before Superman took off, and Superman still had to find the soldiers as the bullets traveled, thus the bullets getting a ridiculous head-start on him. Also, despite the head-start, Superman was still more than fast enough to hear the bullets be fired, fly upwards at a "safe" speed into Earth's Exosphere (6,214 miles or 10,000 km), figure out within a fraction of a second where the scene was taking place, fly back to a lower altitude, race back at a "safe" speed to where the shots were being fired and even then, got there before the bullets actually reached their targets:

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Once again, and I just can't stress this enough, this does not prove that Superman's traveling speed is any different from how fast he is in-combat - do keep in mind that Superman clearly wasn't anywhere near the scene, nor did he have any idea of where it was happening, and yet his traveling speed had worked in tandem with his perceptions, reactions, and thinking speed in order to accomplish this feat and still get there before those bullets had hit their targets. That being said, Superman was still literally thinking, reacting, traveling and functioning within one thousandth of a second, or at one Millisecond, at the time. This feat is discussed at length in the following forum, as well:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20412

Also considering that Superman had needed to hear the gunshots first, thereby being limited by the Speed of Sound, this means that those soldiers should've been dead before he even got there. Of course, Superman can move massively faster than the Speed of Light, and so he still should have plenty of time to get to those soldiers and move them out of the way, right? Not really - the last and probably most important point in this feat is that Superman was massively holding back his speed. Why is this? Let's take a look at an example of what happens when he doesn't do so, as taken from Justice League of America Vol. 2 #10, during "The Lightning Saga" Story Arc:

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Notice the bottom panels? Sure, Superman had clearly took on plenty of DC Comics characters in his speed-blitzing all of them at once, but what happens when he blitzes Sensor Girl, who has no notable superhuman durability or armor to speak of? Superman barely grabs her shoulder, which he's noted, and he had still accidentally shattered the bone there with just the sheer velocity at which he was moving. Nobody that he was fighting had been capable of moving at too-high Supersonic speeds, beyond some of the other Justice Leaguers, and so he clearly had no reason to use even remotely close to all of his full speed in this scan, yet this was still more than enough to shatter Sensor Girl's shoulder before she escaped from the fight. If Superman could shatter her shoulder by just barely grabbing it, at a speed that likely wasn't even Supersonic, then can you imagine what would've happened if he had actually tried to grab one of those soldiers during "For Tomorrow", while he was moving at those massively Hypersonic speeds? Again, Superman always has to hold back his speed.

Exhibit F: For his last piece of evidence, UltimateSaiyan had decided to utilize the dubious claim that was made by Wonder Woman in Superman Vol 2. #30, a comic that we've already considered above in terms of the "Shadow Moon" feat, during which she had stated that she is "faster" than Superman is in-combat. In terms of Wonder Woman, however, the context is again ignored - let's look at the scan:

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First off, Wonder Woman states that she believes that Superman is slower than her in-combat because she's "sparred with him" - we've already established that Superman limits his speed in populated areas to eliminate Sonic Booms and Shockwaves, yet UltimateSaiyan is under the distinct impression that Superman would use his full speed against a much-weaker opponent, while letting off Sonic Bombs with his punches and kicks, in a space as cramped and confined as a training gym? If Superman really holds back his fight-based travelling speed and de-accelerates to eliminate localized Sonic Booms which can affect cities located miles below him, do you really think that he would fight at faster-than-Light speeds in a small and enclosed gym, at most being a massively overestimated 5,000 square feet in size, while sparring with someone that he considers a partner and friend?

This is just ridiculous. Superman is obviously much faster than Wonder Woman in literally every single sense of the word, based exclusively on what I know about the two of them, and I'm still not even scaling their speed feats numerically. The main issue here is that DC Comics, as a whole, simply refrains from ignoring the Laws of Physics - Granted, some Laws of Physics are clearly bent and broken by DC Comics Characters, but these instances are generally explained in detail and DC Comics refrains from outright ignoring Physical Laws as if they didn't exist. Oh, and yes, Superman does, in fact, generate Sonic Booms when he's fighting - it's been shown on-panel, and not only has it been shown, but it's also been shown noticeably as a in-combat feat which Wonder Woman notably doesn't possess under her belt - we can still easily chalk all that up to the Magically-induced and Divine nature of Wonder Woman's abilites, however:

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Wonder Woman even admits that Superman is superior in raw speed, on that very page, but expresses how her superior training and muscle memory allows her to react without thinking, whereas Superman still needs to think in a fight. Here, she is expressing the difference in their training, not how physically fast either of them are in traveling or fighting speeds, and the fact is that Wonder Woman neither took into account, nor does she even know, just how fast a Kryptonian Super-Brain can process information - it is to the point where Superman processes information millions of times faster than a Amazon's own ever could, and not even Wonder Woman's honed muscle memory would be able to keep up. Even Dwayne "Maestro" McDuffie, who had once again written that same issue, had clarified that what Wonder Woman had said was not objectively true and that, most importantly, this was still only Wonder Woman's opinion and not a undisputable fact:

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Wonder Woman may have indeed been drilling various combat blocks and dodges thousands of times, especially when considering the literally thousands of years of her long life training on Themyscira, but we've already seen that Superman's perceptions and reactions can slow real-life events down to a literal crawl, which more than compensates for any lack of training on his own part. Then again, to reinforce the point, this also doesn't help Wonder Woman's claims, when she's been speed-blitzed in literally every single combat-like encounter she's had with a calm and collected Superman - this has been shown time and time again in every confrontation between the two:

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As I've said, various other Comic storylines pretty consistently say the exact same thing, in terms of any actual fight between the two - while Wonder Woman might be able to hold her one for a few possibly crucial minutes, Superman still always seems to have an edge. Not only this, but other issues show Wonder Woman has having much slower perceptions and reactions than Superman or other speedster-like heroes. Superman shows perception speed on par with Martian Manhunter and even the Flash here, for example, while Wonder Woman clearly needed the Flash to lend her the speed to keep up with the three of them:

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Even in Justice League: Trinity, Batman and Wonder Woman had decided to run their perceptions through Superman's senses and reactions, while only using Wonder Woman's familiarity with Magic:

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Lastly, even if Wonder Woman was ever actually faster than Superman in-combat, despite the evidence to the contrary, what of it? Wonder Woman is immensely fast in her own right, even being able to keep pace with the Flash in-combat, so it doesn't prove anything in terms of Superman being slower than Light. Hell, Wonder Woman has been shown to be fast enough to lasso a Photon, which is Light, together while it's still in motion:

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Even more impressive, Wonder Woman was able to keep up with Jesse Quick, whose able to access the Speed Force and even react at faster than Light speeds via using the mathematical formula "3x2(9yz)4a" - even further, Wonder Woman was shown to be able to keep up with Jesse as she had actually reached the necessary terminal velocity to break into the Speed Force itself!

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Ergo, Wonder Woman's statement loses merit, for the simple fact that it's proven incorrect in-canon, and even if this claim weren't disproven by actual feats, it still means nothing. It's also notable to mention that the "Speed Barriers" in DC Comics are always shown as being laid out in the exact same sequence - the Sound Barrier, the Light Barrier, the Time Barrier and the Speed Force Barrier. Character statements are all well and good, but if we take into account every singe claim made in a Comic Book, I could simply scale Superman to be Omnipotent - Darkseid had claimed that he was on-panel, as is backed up by being able to affect Space/Time with the Omega Sanction, yet Superman has also beaten him multiple times, and so suddenly Superman is Omnipotent as a DC Comics character via power-scaling. Do you see just how utterly absurd that reasoning is? Additionally, in terms of Batman's apparent support of Wonder Woman's claim, Batman 1) probably didn't yet fully understand how Superman holds back, either, 2) probably also didn't understand how fast Superman thinks and 3) even contradicts himself, later on, via claiming in the Justice League of America comics that Superman can actually react by the Zeptosecond, which is massively FTL in reaction time.

Now, speaking of reaction time, let's just go on and get back to the subject at hand - how can we prove that Superman can react, perceive, and fight at FTL speeds? Well, just before we get into that topic, I'd like to mention that the idea of a difference between how fast a person can travel and fight, while somewhat valid, is taken to a new level of absurd when some are talking about certain fictional characters, in particular. Yes, I still do somewhat agree that one's Travel Speed doesn't equate to one's Combat Speed, but the only visible difference between the two are in perceptions and reactions. In order to differentiate between the two different levels of speeds, I would recommend reading the blog entitled "Fallacies in Fictional Fights Part 1 - Combat Speed Fallacy", written by Lou_Cypher, which goes further into the topic and is linked below:

http://www.screwattack.com/news/fallacies-fictional-fights-part-1-combat-speed-fallacy

This idea is especially true in regards to Space Travel, due to the clear fact that the perceptions and reactions that you'd need to fight at faster than Light speeds is also necessary to accurately traverse Space without additional instruments. In that regard, Superman's been constantly shown as being able to fly literally from Solar System to Solar System, Galaxy to Galaxy, until being able to reach as far as the Source Wall at the edge of the Promethean Galaxy, in less than one year. This also gives evidence of Time Dilation and other relativistic effects not affecting Superman's perceptions, as other characters on Earth don't age dramatically in his absence during these feats. If you make even a single miscalculation and fail to react for just one Nanosecond during a mass haul of Space Travel, without any navigation beacon or travel log computer to rely on, what will happen? What'll happen is that you'll end up completely and hopelessly lost, potentially being thousands, millions, or even billions of Light Years off-course from your intended destination - there's really no greater example of pure faster-than-Light reaction, perception, or movement speed than being able to make those split-Nanosecond adjustments to your flight trajectory and thereby accomplish such a journey under your own power. Do you honestly think that Superman could so easily fly through Space, with a plethora of space-native obstacles shown as ranging from asteroids and meteorites to Black Holes and Supernovas, if he couldn't see and react at the speeds at which he was traveling? Do you really think that Superman would ever be able to actually navigate, or to take sudden detours, as he travels through Outer Space if he actually couldn't even percieve and respond to where he was going with ample time to adjust his course?

This principal can also apply in far more common situations, as well. For example, many DC Comics characters are able to safely fly through cities while not smashing their way through buildings, unless under attack. In particular, one example shows Superman flying across several City Blocks in one single Nanosecond - the feat demonstrates a velocity of about 480c, or 480x the Speed of Light, via calculating by means of pixel-scaling and, while this takes place within a city in which Superman typically needs to hold back, the argument could still be made that the detonation from that baby would've probably caused far more damage to the city itself than any Sonic Boom or resulting shockwave would've done:

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The actual calculation, as is creditied to Jetwaterluffy1 and his sources on NarutoForums:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18454

Not only Superman been depicted as traveling via flight at faster-than-Light and even at massively faster-than-Light speeds, on a variety of different occasions, but he has additionally been referenced various times as having comparable reactions and perceptions, with them either implying or outright stating him as being at mostly Microsecond or Nanosecond-level, but one or two stating him as even faster - here are some examples:

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Light, as I've already mentioned, can still only move at a limited distance at these speeds - even while traveling at their constant speed of 300,000 km per second, Light can only travel about 333.333 meters (1093.61 feet) in a Microsecond, 11.8 inches (29.9 centimeters) in a Nanosecond, and a mere 0.3 micrometers (0.00003 centimeters) in a Femtosecond. All of these claims, then, have merit in being used as proof that Superman can react, perceive, and think at FTL speeds with little-to-no issues. Even further, in the Final Crisis Story Arc, Superman was shown as capable of percieving at "Instant" speeds, visually tracking two Flashes running from Darkseid's Omega Beams at Faster-than-Light speeds within a environment in which Time itself has stopped, due to Time Dilation:

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This means that so-called"instant" techniques, such as various forms of Teleportation, will have little-to-no effect on Superman during a fight. Even further, Superman has been shown to make use of his movement speed without any Acceleration and in all avenues of movement, even in being able to vibrate his body to pass through objects, causing objects to combust, passing through energy beams and even preventing Light from reflecting off of him in order to become invisible:

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Supergirl has shown similar feats, as well, in regards to using both Invisibility and Intangibility - it's also been clearly established that both Superman and Supergirl have picked up these skills at least partially from the Flash, whose been seen using such techniques more often:

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Even with all that being said, we still want some more clear-cut feats to back that up, right? Where is the definitive proof that Superman can really fight at Faster-Than-Light (FTL) speeds? Whether you believe it or not, Screwattack has already covered that - the panels that I'll present are taken from the "Superman: Sacrifice" story arc, during Superman's fight with Wonder Woman while he had been directly under the mental control of Maxwell Lord, and was convinced that Wonder Woman was Doomsday. So, what do we see? Well, here we can see FTL perception speed. How? Simple - Superman is able to both target and accurately hit Wonder Woman with his Heat Vision in mid-flight, and so, since Superman was already calculated to be moving at 8x the Speed of Light (due to moving from the Sun and back, about 8 Light-minutes, in less than 2 minutes), this means that Superman can accurately see, perceive and aim at 8x the Speed of Light:

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Next, Superman manages to punch Wonder Woman from the Sun back to Earth, about 8 Light-Minutes, in only a couple of seconds - noting that the average mass of a fist is 300 grams and that Momentum = Mass*Velocity, or P = MV, Superman would've had to have thrown his fist at FTL speed to generate the momentum necessary to achieve this feat, since Wonder Woman had still also needed to be accelerated to those Superluminal speeds, somehow - also, do notice that Superman had to first come to a full stop, to completely turn around, and then had punched Wonder Woman to the Earth, having therefore lost all the momentum and speed generated as he had traveled from Earth to the Sun, so this was a base speed for Superman, without notable time to accelerate. This had even been partially-calculated by Endless Mike on Naruto Forums, in terms of their traveling:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17328

So, according to the calc, Superman and Wonder Woman had gotten to a distance of at least 323,190 km from the Sun and were thereby able to fight each other while also still traveling at 8.735c, or 8.7 times the Speed of Light - also keep in mind that the punch which had sent Wonder Woman back to Earth would've been much faster than this calculation, despite having only traveled one way from the Sun to Earth, due to appearing to happen within seconds. It takes Light about 499.01225 seconds to get to Earth from the Sun and so, by making a conservative estimate and saying that it took 10 seconds for Wonder Woman to crash back, which is a reasonable estimate, that would still put the velocity at least 49.90122c, or 50x the Speed of Light, as a punching speed:

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I've had several attempts to downplay this feat - some state that the Sun wasn't drawn to scale on-panel, which is reasonable in itself, and that the actual fight between both Superman and Wonder Woman hadn't even actually taken them to the Sun, before Wonder Woman pulled out that Kryptonite to then use on Superman. This is obviously incorrect because Maxwell Lord had referenced on-panel as them traveling all the way to their actual destination, that being to the Sun and back ,"from start to finish":

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Maxwell Lord would've never said that, if the fight hadn't made it to the Sun, and even if the Sun's angular size is out of scale by being - let's say, 30 times bigger - then the respective distances between Earth, the fight between Superman and Wonder Woman, and the Sun wouldn't deviate very much from what has been accurately calculated already in terms of their distances.

It's also noteworthy to mention that Superman's fight with Wonder Woman not only isn't just the only example of Superman being able to perceive, react and fight at his own travel speed, but it's also not even the most high-tier example of it. Superman, as I've already stated previously, is still able to easily travel Light-Years within the Milky Way and even intergalactically - one good example of this is in the famed "Infinite Crisis" story arc, which had consisted of, in my opinion, one of the most epic and impressive feats of in-combat speed that I've seen in DC Comics. Basically, Superboy-Prime is on a huge rampage during the entire Crisis and the vast majority, if not all, of the entire Green Lantern Corps. are working along with the entire JLA to try to somehow apprehend him, keeping him from reaching Oa and destroying the entire Planet to induce a Big Bang. Both Post-Crisis Superman and Kal-L, the Superman from Earth-2, come up with a plan and, within just mere seconds, blitz Superboy-Prime and fly off to throw a now-struggling Superboy-Prime into Rao, Krypton's Red Sun:

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That had actually worked, in terms of de-powering Superboy-Prime significantly, the three of them crashed onto Mogo, a Green Lantern that's also actually a sentient "living" Planet, and had duked it out on said Planet's surface while it was littered with Kryptonite. Long story short, Superman had ended up beating Superboy-Prime, but Kal-L had also still died in the process. Now, this probably would've all had happened within at most only one hour - an "official" time-frame might still be "a few days", considering that all of the Green Lanterns and the other heroes who had actually reached Rao and witnessed Kal-L's death were back on Earth while a News Report had been detailing their heroics durring the fight that happened "just days" earlier:

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That would put the minumum time-frame of this feat as being less than 7 Days, or 168 Hours, but this still doesn't make sense for a couple of reasons. As it was, most of this feat took place during the time it took Batman to react to Nightwing's injury by Alex Luthor's hand, which had just happened previously in the Crisis, and not only that, but the three Superman were also visibly talking for most of the time. In addition, another calculation was able to use one other retelling of the events, taken from Action Comics #839, to confirm that the three Supermen had Multi-Planet busting force behind them, at the time:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18641&goto=next

Via more legitimate pixel-scaling and calculations, courtesy of Endless Mike, the final number comes out to be at 1.03 Sextillion Megatons of force, enough Kinetic energy between the three Kryptonians to overcome Earth's GBE and destroy the Planet 19,433x times over - and keep in mind that this was just the effect of them flying through Rao after their powers had been mostly drained by the Red Sun. All of that being said, I'd put this at an hour at most, and considering that they would've had to still be near the Earth at the time, this begs the question of "How far away was Krypton from Earth?". Well, to tell us, we do still have this scan, here, from the "Superman: Birthright" Story Arc, which has been established as a canon Comic Book series, in regards to Post-Crisis Superman's origins:

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So, as of Superman: Birthright, Krypton is confirmed as being in the Andromeda Galaxy, which puts it at about 2,538,000 Light Years from Earth - just to put that into perspective, that means that Light, moving consistently at 186,000 miles per second, would still take 2,538,000 years to get from our Planet to the Andromeda Galaxy or vice versa. Now, having said that, I'll refer you to this - Credit here goes to Cooly and his sources, for this calculation:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21359

Now, let's assume that it took 60 minutes for all of this to happen - according to the calculation, the Supermen would've still had to have been moving at 22,232,880,000c, or at 22 billion times the Speed of Light...and remember, we just saw not one, but two punches being thrown at that kind of speed, so there was definitely a fight going on during this trip. Assuming that it had taken the Supermen 7 days, however, this means that, at the very least, the Supermen would've been moving at 132,431,520c, or 132 million times the Speed of Light. Even if we try to downplay this feat as far as we possibly can and thereby say that they were flying for one entire Year, which they still obviously weren't, that would still puts the Supermen at 2,538,000c, or at 2.538 million times the Speed of Light. The bottom line is that nobody on Earth had died of old age during the feat - with that being said, as long as it still hadn't taken the Supermen 100 years to accomplish this feat, at which point Batman and many other Justice Leaguers would've obviously died from natural causes, I can put this fight as being at least thousands of times faster than Light.

Even further, there are once again other feats, that confirm this such as with Superman traveling to both the Andromeda Galaxy and Vega within short amounts of time, thereby featuring this kind of massively faster than Light speed:

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The Andromeda Galaxy, as stated above, is 2,538,000 Light Years from our Solar System while Vega, being a Star much closer, is 25.05 Light Years from Earth. Unfortunately, this high-tier kind of speed feat, in terms of fighting, has only happened once with the Superman/Kal-L/Superboy-Prime fight to Rao during Infinite Crisis, so you could still call "Outlier!" on it and we'd also have to take into account that the time isn't really well-specified. Regardless, this still just goes to show my readers that Superman is supremely FTL when he actually wants to be at that speed, and that he can also perceive and react at those kinds of speeds as well.

Myth #4: "Superman cannot tank more than a Supernova's explosion"

but I've still heard other DBZ fans try to argue with it it and I feel the need to address it, as a result - the feat in question is found in the "Superman: Brainiac" graphic novel, in which Superman searches for Brainiac all over the Milky Way Galaxy in his own attempt to retrieve the shrunken Kryptonian City of Kandor, and he discovers Brainiac doing the same thing to another Planet, before then blowing up said Planet's Sun as Superman gets caught in the explosion:

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Now, we first have to note that this was a younger Superman, who had just found his cousin, Kara Zor-El AKA Supergirl, and was heading into his first encounter with Brainiac - Superman: Brainiac was chronologically set earlier on in Superman's career, so we still have to take firmly into account what's happened both earlier in a character's fictional history and later on, as well as take character progression into account. I've actually also heard of many other different ways to either debunk or to downplay this feat - some DBZ fans have tried to use this one scan out-of-context and state that Superman was near-death, barely able to survive the explosion, while others try to use Physics and thereby state that Superman was too small to even tank the entire impact, therefore only being able to tank either the Moon-busting or the Planet-busting impact that had actually hit him. The former, however, is false reasoning, for two reasons:

1) Superman was taken off-guard: now, while some might automatically try to simply argue that Superman's durability doesn't depend on his mental concentration, you would, granted, be half-right in that his physical durability is what doesn't depend on it. This still doesn't, however, hold true to his mental fortitude, and just because you could resist something, even with little-to-no damage to yourself, it doesn't mean that it doesn't still hurt. Superman's also been sometimes shown in various other comics to need to "steel himself" in order to tank an extremely powerful force or impact without losing consciousness, so this further reinforces my point that Superman needs to mentally prepare himself to remain conscious when taking such a large amount of damage:

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2) Superman was not physically-harmed: Now, while some of you might still argue that being knocked out by any impact as large as a exploding Sun, or a Nova, equates to being "physically harmed", the fact still remains unchanged that in the very next panel, when Brainiac is shown as he retrieves Superman and brings him aboard his ship, Superman appears to not have a single physical injury on him - there's no sign of even a scratch or a bruise on him, which means that the Bio-Electric Aura that had granted him his durability had still held true, and that this wasn't nearly close to the limits of his durability because his body showed no physical damage, at all. As a comparison, you can take a quick look at Superman's fight with Doomsday, during "The Death of Superman" Story Arc - Superman still had his Bio-Electric aura protecting him there, and yet he was visibly bleeding from that fight. So, what does that mean? It means that his Solar reserves were running low and his Bio-Electric Aura wasn't holding, letting Doomsday breach it to inflict significant amounts of damage to Superman's body. The contrast between the physical damage shown in those two feats proves my point, that Superman wasn't truly, physically-harmed during the Brainiac Nova feat, and had only suffered from a prolonged stun at most:

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Therefore, we can say that Superman was not at the limits of his durability in this scan, and this is further supported in the comic itself - within minutes of him being stunned, he's still able to get up from the Medical Bay under his own power, track down the faint Kryptonian speech that he was able to hear while being on the ship itself, fight off a army of Brainiac Drones in his path, navigate Brainiac's ship according to the sounds that can he hear, and then finally tracks down the Shrunken Kryptonian City of Kandor before confronting and beating Brainiac himself. So, if Superman was ever noticeably damaged, either physically or mentally, at this time, there is no way that he could do all of this as fast as he evidently did - even just getting up minutes after tanking a Supernova would've been a feat, let alone fighting a major battle and simply tearing your way through legions of Brainiac Drones while, at the same time, also mentally navigating a unfamiliar ship based on faint Kryptonian speech.

On the other hand, like I've said, many people try to use the Laws of Physics and thereby claim that Superman hadn't tanked the full explosion, due to its energy output being dispersed over a much wider area. Many have used this excuse to imply that Superman cannot even tank Moon-busting force, but I'll just debunk this thinking right off the bat and say flat-out that it's wrong - not only is it contradicted by feats and facts that have already been clearly presented on-panel, but this shows ignorance in how Supernovas actually work. While it's true that the full force of a Nova or a Supernova does dissipate exponentially while traveling in the vacuum of Space, due to the Inverse Square Law, the full effect of this only comes into effect at extremely large distances. For example, if a sufficiently large Star had went Supernova 100 Light-Years away or about 94.60 trillion kilometers from us, we'd still see it on Earth but it would pose no threat to us at all as a cosmic event. If, however, that same exact Star went Supernova 50 Light-Years away or 47.30 trillion kilometers from us, the blast wave would both destroy the Earth's Ozone layer and negatively affect the Planet's magnetic field, thereby killing all life on our World. Finally, if the Supernova occurred just 1 Light-Year away or 9.46 trillion kilometers from us, the resulting blast would vaporize Earth entirely and all but completely destroy our entire Solar System as a whole. The blast itself would tear our entire Solar System to shreads and even the force of just the shockwaves of the event would easily destroy every nearby Celestial Object orbiting our Sun, leaving our Solar System as a Nebula remnant that would eventually lead to the formation of new Stars and Planets over time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_supernova

Yet, Superman was still on the Planet next to the Star in question, not even a Light-Year away from the explosion, and had yet survived - our Solar System isn't even a Light Year in diameter, and so while one Supernova isn't able to vaporzie literally everything within our Solar System, it'd still certianly have enough Kinetic Energy to cover and tear apart the total area of it. All of that being said, although Superman likely still didn't tank all the force behind the Nova due to both his body's surface area and his distance away from the actual event, it's still one extremely impressive feat of durability overall. Regardless, there are also still plenty of additional feats to consider here: for example, during the "Superman/Batman: Public Enemies" story arc, Superman was punched by Hawkman with the Claw of Horus, which was stated on-panel to actually draw power from the Earth's magnetic core in order to thereby essentially strike its target "with the Planet" or, in other words, with a amount of energy that would be equal to the mass of Planet Earth hitting him:

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Planet Earth weighs in at 5.972 Sextillion tons, or 5.417 Septillion kilograms, and so the Claw of Horus would've hit Superman with at least the equivalent of that amount of mass and a Earth-sized Planetary collision on that scale with Superman's body would've obviously approached towards generating a significant amount of force, even potentially enough to bust a Earth-sized Planet. It's also worthy to note that the Claw of Horus has actually made several appearances within DC Comics and has several feats behind it, in of itself - for example, it was originally used to return the first Flash, Jay Garrick, to the Present after he had gotten himself lost in Time. In addition, any punch from the Claw of Horus would've additionally been enhanced by the Superhuman strength that Hawkman's Nth Metal Armor affords him which, while maybe not great enough to naturally be classified as in Superman's class, allows Hawkman to accomplish such feats as throwing Tanks around with relative ease or trading blows with various other Superhumans. Considering that the Claw of Horus was a piece of Thanagarian technology that had likely been capable of concentrating that much raw energy into such a condensed area, to the point that Superman's body would've been able to be struck with the full force, this would've already disproven Superman's durability as being limited to mere Moon-busting force. It's also very noteworthy to mention that Superman evidently wasn't even injured by the punch - Superman was indeed shown to be knocked out, granted, but it was later revealed within the comic that Superman had actually feinted unconsciousness for both him and Batman to buy Power Girl and Katana more time, taking Hawkman and Captain Marvel by surprise before having stole their costumes in an attempt to get close enough to Lex Luthor, who was actually in-office as the President of the United States, at the time:

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This was even shown in the fight during the Animated Movie adaptation of the comic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC1jOsXrE-Y

Now, with all of this being said, Superman is far beyond Planet-busting in terms of durability - this isn't much for the Man of Steel, however, and there are feats that prove him as having far greater durability in terms of his maximum limis. Even early in Post-Crisis, while fighting Starbreaker alongside Booster GOLD, Superman was hit with "the destructive force of a Nova" and yet was still only briefly incapacitated without injury:

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In fact, we've actually already talked about at least one of these feats up above, while we were discussing Superman's speed and acceleration - the Sun-Eater explosion that Superman had been shown to have tanked was still directly stated on-panel as it being "50 times larger than Keplar's Supernova" and, considering that the real-life Keplar's Supernova had actually been just slightly larger than your average 10 Octillion Megaton Supernova already, this would put us at least at 500 Octillion Megatons:

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Oh, and before anyone comments below to point this out, Superman did still, in fact, tank that Sun-Eater explosion - the actual Supernova had exploded just a little while afterwards, granted, while the Electromagnetic Shockwave had occurred just before that, but it was still clearly the Sun-Eater exploding as a result of the Entropy Bomb that Superman had tanked on-panel, and that large explosion is what was actually said to be "50 times larger than Keplar's Supernova". A Sun-Eater in DC Comics is a creature, generally the size of a Nebula, that survives in the vacuum of Space via devouring nearby Stars and their radiation - After tanking the explosion, Superman had been de-powered in both flight speed and durability, and so was in danger of being incinerated by the "expanding ball of radiation" that had been either a) a resulting fallout or after-effect of the Entropy Bomb's detonation, similar to the radiation fallout from a Nuclear Warhead, or b) from the remains of the dead Sun-Eater, a member of a species that actually survives via devouring both Stars and their radiation. An actual Supernova merely occurring right after this, as a result of the Sun-Eater destabilizing the Red Giant Star that it was devouring, still has absolutely nothing to do with the Entropy Bomb having already been detonated within the Sun-Eater itself, nor was that Supernova ever specifically implied on-panel to be the explosion in-question, which had supposedly been "50 times larger than Keplar's Supernova"

For a second durability feat, I'll now refer you towards the Mini-Series entitled "Death of the New Gods", which was supposed to be a precursor to the larger "Final Crisis" story arc and had featured Superman tanking the collision of both Apokolips and New Genesis, two Planets located within the "Fourth World", which the Source/Presence had

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Now, the big question is "How large were these two Planets?" Well, currently ignoring the fact that such uninformed debaters as Kakarrot88 would want to shrink these two Planets down to merely Jupiter's size, there's still ample evidence that those Planets that the "New Gods" inhabit while living on both on Apokolips and New Genesis are much larger than any Planets that could physically exist within our Universe. The Comics often make a point to emphasize just how large these Planets are, even at one point comparing the Planet that they were a part of to a size that could "dwarf Galaxies":

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This is complicated by the fact that, as I've already mentioned, both of these Planets and "New Gods" who reside on them are all existing in a separate larger dimension known as the "Fourth World" or "Fourth Dimension". Usually, the preferred method used to travel between the "Fourth World" and a normally-sized Dimension is via wormhole-like dimensional portals that are known as "Boom Tubes", and it's also been hinted at, even being outright stated, that anyone or anything that is traveling though a "Boom Tube" normally has its physical size adjusted to fit more comfortably in its destination Universe. Being at their normal size in our own Universe, "New Gods", such as Darkseid and his Son, Orion, have already been shown to be physically large enough to quite literally hold entire Planets within the palms of their hands:

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That being said, the New Gods on New Genesis and Apokolips are actually pretty over-powered, even by DC Comics standards - keep in mind that this was Orion's normal size, and yet Superman's eyeball was more than large enough to physically dwarf one of these presumably Earth-sized Planets. Although Superman had still traveled through a Boom Tube and had gotten his size adjusted, it's been shown that Apokolips and New Genesis are still huge Planets, even to New Gods in their Home Dimension, and that, for the Planets to merge, the collision would've had to at least overcome both of the Planets' Gravitational Binding Energy (GBE) to do so - this also doesn't take into account the Mass of either Superman or of the Planets and so, since this calculation is quite clearly way over my head, to be completely frank, I refer you to Endless_Mike on NarutoForums, and wil simply stick with his calculation of the feat:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18296

The Kinetic energy of the collision thereby comes out to about 2.439292543E+31 Megatons of TNT or 24 Nonillion Megatons of force - in comparison, this amount of energy is just about 2,400x the force of a 10 Octillion megaton Supernova as condensed into one Planetary collision, and the collision had possessed enough kinetic energy to destroy the Solar System 176.47x over. Not only that, but take notice that this feat would've also constituted as being a inelastic collision - most of the energy was squarely focused at the point of impact, in contrast to a explosion, and Superman was also attempting to at least slow the collision, as well, so he would've tanked a lot more of that Kinetic Energy. Also, do take note that even as is mentioned within the calculation itself and the comments below it, this is still a major low-end calc for the feat - Endless_Mike had taken the statement of "the Earth would barely displace the waters of a small lake" on New Genesis, to use the shallowest lake on a list of the deepest lakes on Earth, and then had taken the words "barely displace" to mean that the Earth would've equated to the entire diameter of that "small lake", when the Planet would've still also had to be much smaller than the entire diameter, in order to "barely displace the waters" as was stated. Even with this huge handicap in terms of scaling, the overall sizes of New Genesis and Apokolips come out as rivaling the size of two Hypergiant Stars, and the total energy of the collision, considering the low-end, would come out as being at least Solar System busting. This definitvely proves that Superman's durability is far beyond Supernova-level and is also at least at low-tier Solar System+, if not even greater, considering that Superman was able to recover soon afterwards.

As a third durability feat, I'll reference Justice League of America Vol. 1 #112, where Superman and the rest of the JLA had fought off a Qwardian attack on Earth, during the fight, was tanking the weaponry of their Supwerweapon, called the Void Hound:

http://imgur.com/a/ZvaG2

Why is this significant? Because the last time that the Qwardian Void Hound had been tested, 10 Star Systems had died just from it being activated:

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The Qwardians, for those who don't know, are an alien species residing on Qward, a Planet that is located within the Antimatter Universe of the DC Comics Multiverse. The Qwardians were known for their skill in creating weapons, in particular - for example, directly after being exiled to the Antimatter Universe by the Guardians of the Universe, Sinestro had his Yellow Power Ring and Lantern Battery forged on Qward. The Void Hound had been constantly referenced as busting Planets, Stars, and even entire Solar Systems at a time, so the fact that Superman has tanked attacks from this thing reinforces the fact that he can tank Multi Solar System-busting attacks and serves as yet another tribute to his durability. Also take note that, while the entire Justice Leauge had been charging the Void Hound with several New Gods, only Superman, Captain Marvel/Shazam and Power Girl had actually been tanking direct attacks from it - Wonder Woman was using her indestructable Bracelets of Submission to deflect its blasts, instead, and the rest of the JLA were evading the energy beams.

As a final durability feat, I take you to Justice League of America Vol. 1 #41, where Superman drains the Mageddon Superweapon by absorbing the Anti-Sunlight radiation that had been contained within its Anti-Sun, having enough force to vaporize half of the Milky Way Galaxy:

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Now, I've had DBZ fanboys even try to debunk this feat, and while it's clearly a pretty rare one, in terms of Superman showing that kind of sheer durability, it does still count as being a feat of durability, for the simple reason that it was written that way. Many say that Superman absorbing the Anti-Sunlight doesn't equate to him being able to physically tank that much force because he a) could've been super-charged or b) could've otherwise still not been durable enough to tank the energy without his Kryptonian ability to absorb Yellow Sunlight, but both of these claims are false, being desperate and futile attempts to undermine the feat. First of all, just take a look at the second and third pages - be sure to tell me in the comments below if that actually looks like Superman was Super-Charged, because the "Our Worlds at War" story arc has already shown us what a Super-Charged Superman looks and acts like, and that's not it at all. Hell, even Red Sunlight, which is shown to take away Superman's powers and reduce him to human-like levels, has never been shown to affect Superman in such a negative way, so we can easily conclude that there was no Super-Charge or other Sun-based buff involved. Now, in terms of Superman absorbing the Anti-Sunlight and not tanking it, it's a mute point as The Anti-Sun bomb had still clearly detonated in our third scan and the mere fact that the Kryptonian cells of Superman's body had absorbed all of the resulting Anti-Sunlight, without bursting from over-saturation, in itself is a testimony to how durable his individual cells are and, through extent, his body is. In short, Superman's absorbtion of the Anti-Sunlight doesn't suggest nor prove that Superman isn't durable enough to tank the Anti-Sunlight - it just proves that Superman's that durable on a much lower cellular level, to an extent, and not merely on that bodily level with his Bio-Electric Aura.

Second, let's consider yet another claim of skeptics, that being that the Anti-Sunlight that Superman had absorbed doesn't equate to the total energy output of the Warhead. Now, this is actually a warrented one in terms of the feat, only because Oracle had, at one point, mentioned the Mageddon Anti-Sun as "going Hypernova" in 30 minutes:

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As most real-life Supernovas and Hypernovas are capable of producing more Kinetic Energy in that one explosion than their respective Stars are able to produce over their entire life-span, this would mean that Superman had absorbed much less than the explosion's energy. This reasoning, however clever it is, still serves as a desperate attempt to downplay the feat - as I've said above, we can clearly see that the Mageddon Anti-Sun did, in fact, detonate as Superman was attempting to absorb it in our third scan and, since the Anti-Sun's "Hypernova" reaction had evidently happened as Superman had actually been absorbing its Anti-Sunlight radiation, he would've obviously had tried to take in and absorb that explosion's energy to avoid the vast majority of collateral damage to the Earth. Even when ignoring this point and assuming that the Anti-Sun didn't actually ever detonate during the feat, the Anti-Sunlight had also been stated to be "concentrated" and Superman's cellular absorbtion of this had also still disarmed the Anti-Sun, so that by itself would confirm that, at some point, Superman had still absorbed enough radiation to ensure that the Anti-Sun could no longer function, ergo taking at least most, if not all, of the Anti-Sunlight in question.

With that being said, though, let's just humor that previous thinking and calculate this feat via another method - a real-life Hypernova has been estimated to emit about 1.0e+48 Joules of Energy or around 23.9 Nonillion Megatons of force, as a explosion. In contrast, via using our own Sun, Sol, as our reference point for the calculation, an average Star typically emits only 3.7656+e26 Joules of Energy or about 90 Billion Megatons of force per second of its 10 Billion year life. So, by dividing these two numbers, we'd get a respective difference of 2.6555193e+21 times in Joules, or 2.6555556e+20 times in Megatons - now, as it would've taken 5.709 Foe or 5.709e+44 Joules of Energy to vaporize the entire Solar System in one explosive blast and it's also been estimated that there's at least 200 Billion Stars, and therefore Solar Systems, within the Miky Way Galaxy, we could quite easily multiply these numbers to get a grand estimate of 5.709e+55 Joules of Energy, or 13.6 Duodecillion Megatons of force, to completely wipe out and vaporize everything within half of the Milky Way Galaxy. This isn't all of the required energy, though, due to how vast Solar Systems are spaced apart over many Light-Years, and it's already been estimated that it instead takes about 50 PetaFoe, or 5e+60 Joules, in order to completely encompass and vaporize half a Galaxy that's close to the size of the Milky Way in just one blast - that's about 1.195028681e+45 Megatons or 1.19 Quatturodecillion Megatons of force, enough kinetic energy to vaporize our Solar System 8.75 Quadrillion times over and 117 Quadrillion times via 10 Octillion Megaton Supernova. By using our difference from earlier and also by estimating that Superman had held onto Mageddon's Anti-Sun for at least 10 seconds, while absorbing the Anti-Sunlight radiation that it had been emitting per second, that would still give us a total amount of 1.874922156e+41 Joules of Energy or 44.8 Septillion Megatons of force, enough to destroy the Earth 845,504,056 times over. This is additionally a mere 3,044 times less kinetic energy than would be necessary to vaporize the Solar System and only 223 times less than enough to blow apart the Solar System via a 10 Octillion Megaton Supernova, all completely summed up into the Anti-Sunlight that Superman had absorbed into his Kryptonian cells with little-to-no injury afterwards.

Myth #5: "Superman's Heat Vision is not that powerful, since he's struggled to kill an army of Doomsday clones with a widened beam"

I've heard many DBZ fans argue this point, and when they do, they usually use this feat, taken from Superman/Batman Vol 1. #10, during the "The Supergirl from Krypton" story arc - it showed Superman destroying an army of Doomsday clones with a widened beam of Heat Vision, but then clearly stating afterwards: "I don't think I could do that twice."

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Unfortunately, whether clones or not, each of them were still physically similar to Doomsday itself, and Doomsday has already been shown time and time again to not only have Planet-level durability, but also adapt to whatever kills it, coming back to life under its own power while becoming immune to whatever killed it. Even further, that army of Doomsday was specifically cloned using Darkseid's Apokolipian/New God technology, further proving the higher quality of the clones, as well - that being said, this beam was only as draining as it was due to what it was hitting, as well as likely all the great amount of control Superman was exerting on it. Even further, Superman rarely widens his Heat Vision to that extend and, even though the Doomsday clones were likely imperfect, they all still would've had at least a fraction of an underscore of the original Doomsday's durability. Oh, and yes, Batman did beat some of them...with a magically-enhanced Amazonian War Axe, mostly doing so only at one at a time...and maybe three at once with Batarangs, in one panel...not to mention most of the Amazons and Superman himself all taking up most of their attention, as Batman fought...oh, and speaking of which, just where was it shown that he actually, permanently killed any of them? Where does it show that none of the Doomsdays got up, after Batman was finished?

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Exactly - at the very most, this is really just some more Plot-Induced Stupidity (PIS) from a DC Comics character whose very well known for it, to make Batman not useless during a fight within a comic series of which his name is part of the title. All of that being said, though, it still has no real bearing on either Superman's limits with Heat Vision or in Doomsday's durability in resisting it. We'd also have to consider that Doomsday's physiology allows it to adapt to and counter its opponents as it fights them, and has similarly fought with Superman much more than he has with Batman - for all we know, Doomsday had also already developed a strong and specific resistance to Heat Vision before Darkseid had cloned him while also, due to him being natively Kryptonian, had shared in having Superman's inherit weakness to Magic. Anywho, with all that being said, what can we say about Superman's Heat Vision? Well, first let's talk a little bit about its range - what's the absolute furthest that Superman can widen his Heat Vision to encompass?

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The short answer, here, is that we just really don't know - Superman has been able to narrow his Heat Vision into a laser-like beam and even smaller, focused into microscopic levels, and he's also widened his Heat Vision to engulf large amounts of enemies, even being shown as able to encompass the entirety of both Planet Earth and its Moon. It's also been said that Heat Vision can encompass anything within Superman's line of sight and that it also has no maximum range, so if he is far back enough, it's entirely possible that Superman could widen his Heat Vision to literally engulf anything. Now, with that being said, what about heat? Just how hot can Superman and his Heat Vision get, normally? Well, it's also been stated in the comics that that Superman's Heat Vision is literally so hot, that modern scientific instruments simply find it unable to be measured - it's very much "off the charts", and do keep in mind that these are also the same instruments that manage to measure the heat of Stars such as our Sun, Sol, as well as the heat of Supernovas, so this would even imply that there's literally no limit to just how much heat energy that Superman can discharge via Heat Vision:

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We're not even talking about a simple increase of temperature, either - it's actually easy to increase the temperature in a specific space, but what makes it challenging is how large the space that you're trying to heat up actually is. In this scan, we're instead talking about a possibly-unlimited energy output that could possibly allow Superman to increase temperatures to extreme limits within any area, regardless of how large that area is. That being said, while Superman doesn't seem to discharge too much in the way of concussive force with his Heat Vision, as many other Energy attacks do, Heat Vision is still likely at least a small Planet-busting attack, for the very simple reasons of its range, heat and energy output, even though this still does admittedly drain Superman's reserves of Yellow Sunlight much faster than, say, his physical strength. Superman has also even been shown to easily destroy Celestial Object with Heat Vision, admittedly smaller ones, such as Asteroids - note that Superman clearly implies that said Asteroid was going to be a "serious threat to Earth", and so it was very clearly carrying a deal of Kinetic Energy and, debatably, a significant amount of Mass:

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As even further proof of Superman actually still being able to cause widespread destruction with his Heat Vision, I also give you this scan from the "Our Worlds at War" story arc - an enraged Superman is shown splitting one large portion of the Ocean, although he was clearly not using his full power, but it just goes to show that Superman can still cause a lot of damage with his Heat Vision when he's been provoked:

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Myth #6: "Superman's training as a fighter is irrelevant, because he's barely ever shown using it - he never fights with anything other than punches!"

This is probably the most overused argument that's used to downplay Superman, and to tell you the truth, even if DBZ fanboys were right, it's still irrelevant - now, go ahead and tell me would happen if you put a Martial Artist in the middle of the woods, and have him fight a full-grown Grizzly Bear? Is the fact that he "knows how to fight better" still have any relevance, at all? Of course not - the Grizzly is ridiculously stronger, faster, and more durable. Any punches or kicks that the Martial Artist throws will come into contact with 300 lbs. of muscle, and are more likely to hurt him than the Grizzly. Even if the Martial Artist tries to run, the Grizzly can still run much faster than him and even bullets have trouble breaking a Grizzly's charge unless it's a higher caliber, such as a 30-06 or 7.62mm. Tell me - since the fact is that an untrained Grizzly would completely decimate any unarmed Martial Artist in a one-on-one fight, why would you ever think that Martial Arts prowess, while impressive, would ever be able to close such a large physical gap between Superman and, for example, Batman?

On this point, the fact is that Martial Arts only ever make a difference when the two combatants are at least remotely similar, in terms of their physical build, strength, speed and durability - in this kind of match up, where one combatant has already been proven to be Quadrillions of tons stronger, light-years ahead in speed, and unimaginably more durable than the other, a little bit of Martial Arts just won't make the difference. Now, with that being said, what Martial Arts has Superman used? What's he been trained in? First up up is Ted Grant, AKA Wildcat, whose one of the best hand-to-hand Boxers in the DC Comics Universe and was also stated as having trained Superman in boxing:

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"Back in his day, Wildcat trained Batman, Black Canary, Catwoman and even Superman in the 'sweet science' of Boxing--"

Now, this is Superman's preferred style of fighting, and he's made it all his own - Superman mostly uses this kind of fighting because it's all he needs, and while he also doesn't usually show certain tendencies such as squaring up, this is only because he usually doesn't have to. Ignoring the fact that Superman's very presence is usually enough to quell any conflicts, since your average gang-banger doesn't have a Tank that Superman's just going to throw to the side anyways, Superman's durability and speed leaves simply him with little-to-no need for anything beyond accurate punches and kicks, and the occasional strike used in conjunction with his powers. Normal boxers square up to protect their heads, for example, but Superman can tank a Supernova to the face and so unless he fights the likes of Lobo, Mongul or Darkseid, he has no need to defend his head.

Now, what other training has Superman received, in terms of combat fighting styles? Well, he's also been trained in Ancient Greek hand-to-hand combat and Amazonian Martial Arts, particularly by Wonder Woman, which would've probably included the art of Pankration, known for both its brutality and use in the Olympic Games in Ancient Greece. This hand-to-hand combat instruction could've easily ranged from the basic training that Alexander III of Macedon would've provided his troops with, to even some elite warrior techniques that might've been taught to the Ancient Spartans - even if such fighting styles are still a tad outdated by Modern Day standards, such training would still greatly benefit anyone that is instructed in it. It's also note-worthy to mention that Superman fought alongside Wonder Woman in actual combat, as well, and this is where he's gotten most of his experience - for example, Superman had fought alongside both Wonder Woman and Thor for 1,000 years while fighting Demons in Valhalla, as was brought out in Action Comics #761, and while Time had been reversed back by Thor, later on, Superman had still evidently kept those same memories and experiences:

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In addition, we have some verification of the feat - it's already been brought up and referenced in multiple canon Post-Crisis series, specifically in telling Lois Lane about the experience:

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Superman's even received training from Batman, who himself is versed in 127 different styles of hand-to-hand combat and also usually fights while using his own personalized, idiosyncratic admixture of Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Muay Thai, "Dragon-Style" Kung Fu (from Richard Dragon), Boxing (from Ted Grant, AKA Wildcat), Jujitsu, Ninjitsu (from Master Kirigi) and Capoeira. Now, we're positive that Superman has learned advanced Pressure Point combat from Batman, who is specifically-versed in those techniques, but it's possible that Batman had extended Superman's training beyond this - that being said, we still cannot really be certain, but the primary style of fighting that Superman has seemed to have picked up from Batman is to strike multiple nerve clusters within the body, sometimes doing so even at Super Speeds, in order to disable opponents quickly with as little collateral damage as possible. Also keep in mind that this both has and will work on non-humans - Superman also has his X-Ray and Microscopic Vision, so he would thus be able to see the various nerve clusters within even an alien or a clone body that would make up its Pressure Points, to be exploited by this particular fighting style:

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Note Superman's words in the above scan, as he fights Ultraman and Superwoman - it indeed adds to his experience and skill that he fights against the same foe again and again, with that enemy adapting to him each time. In that context, it's actually much easier to defend yourself against someone in an intial encounter for the simple reason that if you haven't fought before, then they don't know what to attack or to defend from in a fight, nor will that enemy already know your abilites, your skills, your training, your experience, or your Modus Operandi (M.O.). A opponent who can anticipate your moves is a much more efficient one, and so the fact that Superman is fluid and adaptable enough to avoid this makes him have a much greater edge over less experienced fighters.

In addition, Superman was heavily-trained by Mongul II of Warworld during the "Our Worlds at War" Story Arc in order to fight Imperiex, the "Destroyer of Galaxies" - while much of this training isn't stated or specified, in terms of specific arts, it's made clear that there were several different kinds of Alien Fighting Styles that were taught. If you don't know very much about Mongul of Warworld, the point of it is that this Artificial satellite, about the size of Pluto, had scoured the Milky Way Galaxy in search of alien slaves to use in Gladiatorial Combat. That being said, it's likely that Mongul II himself had learned much during his travels from many different alien species, and not only that, but learning also from his father, the original Mongul. Part of Mongul II's training with Superman had consisted in him learning to better effectively use his powers at once, as well as tapping into his rage and in faster speed-blitzing:

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It's entirely possible that Mongul had encountered literally millions, if not billions of species during the time that Warworld had traversed the Milky Way - Mongul would've very likely fought his way through countless aliens, as well, and would know many of the strength and weakensses of each species. While I doubt that Mongul II would've instructed Superman to that extent, especially considering the time-table looming over them due to the Imperiex threat looming, it's notable to mention that Superman did still end up beating Mongul II in hand-to-hand combat after his training during "Our Worlds at War", specifically targeting ribs that Imperiex damaged:

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Even much later on, again, many other Comics Books reference Superman's training at the hands of Mongul II - Superman had continued to use these skills, proving that this training wasn't only used once:

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Even further, Superman's even done his own personal training - there are still two Kryptonian Martial Arts that he has mastered, called Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vo, the former of which allows him to enter a "hyper-calm and hyper-alert state of consciousness" that had been heavily-used by Kryptonian Warriors to ender a Battle-Mind, granting them superior reflexes and perceptions during battle. The Kryptonian Art of Torquasm Rao had been heavily-based on entering the real-life Theta State, a real-life phenomena that occurs within the brain and where a person becomes extremely receptive to information and instinct, whereas Torquasm-Vo is mentally-based and allows a person to overpower mental abilities such as Mind Domination or Illusions. Torquasm-Rao was also shown to have its own internal concepts, such as it being a way to open up the meridians within the body and even allow the Life-Force of the Universe, known to Kryptonians as "Shreearr", flow throughout the user - Superman has used these technique, for example, to recover more quickly from Kryptonite Poisoning:

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Superman ended up learning the secrets of these Krypyonian Martial Arts via the use of the Fortress of Solitude, having added them to his already-vast arsenal, and has since made very efficient use of them - the Kryptonian art has even enabled certain degrees of Reality-Warping and, even though it has been commonly referred to as being Plot-Induced Stupidity (P.I.S.), it's even allowed Superman to challenge and defeat the Multiversal+ Lord of Chaos known as Dominus. In addition, Superman has very likely learned various other Kryptonian Martial Arts such as Klurkor and Horu-Kanu which, considering both of their alien origins, would've easily been millions of years more advanced than any martial art developed on Earth. Even so, some of these Kryptonian fighting styles are somewhat remniscient of certain real-life Martial Arts - Klurkor has bared some notable similiarities towards real-life Karate, for example, whereas Horu-Kanu's move-set and forms closely resembled both Hapkido and Kyusho-jitsu. The convicted Kryptonian criminal Faora Ul-El, specifically, has been shown making extensive use of Horu-Kanu both before and after being sentenced to the Phantom Zone - and yes, even Supergirl has some form of training as well:

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So, Superman is clearly well-versed in Martial Arts, and he does use them when its necessary - not only that, but he also has a vast plethora of fighting experience, as well, and any actual combat experience always trumps mere training.

Conclusion and Findings

Superman's strength and speed, while possibly overestimated by some DC fans, was still not overestimated and was also possibly even slightly underestimated by Screwattack. Superman therefore can lift/press entire Moons and Planets under his own strength, destroy Planets and Moons with that same strength, travel at FTL speeds with little-to-no acceleration, can also run, perceive, react and fight at FTL speeds, and can even tank far in excess of the force of one 10 Octillion Megaton Supernova, further having tanked Solar System-busting or even Multi-Solar System-busting attacks. In addition, Superman's Heat Vision is also a Planet-busting or even a Multi-Planet busting attack, due to being able to encompass Planets while output a possibly-infinite amount of heat energy and reaching temperatures that rivals the heat of the Sun, and Superman has much in the category of Martial Arts, Fighting Styles and even Experience. All of that being said, these are the statistics that I've calculated for Superman based on the feats that I've both seen and measured:

STRENGTH: Massively upwards of 5.972 Quintillion tons (Lifting/Pushing Strength), at least 2.854 Septillion tons, at least 1.05 Octillion tons (w/ Sundipping), Upwards of 53 Quadrillion Megatons (Striking/Combat Strength), at least 3.9 Quintillion Megatons (w/ Infinite Mass Punch).

Superman's strength is Planet-moving a/ Relativistic Speeds to Planet/Multi-Planet busting while holding back, up to potentially small Star-busting w/ Sundipping and/or w/ Infinite Mass Punch.

SPEED: Massively upwards of 2,538,000 times the Speed of Light (Travel/Acceleration Speed), at least 50 times the Speed of Light (Initial/"Combat" Speed), at least 480 times the Speed of Light (w/ little-to-no Acceleration), Nanosecond+ to Femtosecond/Picosecond (Reactions/Perceptions),

Superman's speed includes massively Faster-than-Light Travel Speed via Acceleration over time as well as Faster-than-Light "Combat" (Fallacy) Speed and Reactions/Perceptions.

DURABILITY: Massively upwards of 10 Octillion Megatons of force via Stellar Nova (w/ Younger and Weaker), Upwards of 500 Octillion Megatons of force via Sun-Eater Supernova explosion (Weakened w/ Red Sunlight), Upwards of 24 Nonillion Megatons of force via Planetary Collision of Apokolips and New Genesis, upwards of 1.19 Quatturodecillion Megatons of force via the Mageddon Anti-Sun's "Hypernova" detonation (Negative "Anti-Sunlight" radiation absorbed into his body's cells, without them bursting from oversaturation).

Superman's durability is at Supernova+ (w/ weakened) and at least Solar System to massively Multi-Solar System-busting, up to half Galaxy-busting+.

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Supes can't fight FTL. Supes at best as been shown at star level durability.

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