@entropy_aegis said:
Nice of you to use only one critic site and even there you chose to show only the fresh rating. Metacritic has a much more reputable reviewing system and there TDKR has the Avengers beaten by about 10%,it also leads in Cinemascore and IMDB.Likewise in RT both movies have the same average rating,the fresh meter has nothing to do with the movies' quality.
On a financial level Avengers had a 3-D advantage,that's about $200 million right there while TDKR had to suffer from the Colorado tragedy.
And it's The Dark Knight Rises not Returns.
I didn't purposely chose the site that gave Avengers favorable reviews. RottenTomatoes just my go to site for movie reviews.
Which sites system is more reputable is a matter of opinion, but for sake of argument....
Marvel's The Avenger
A metascore of 69 of 100 based on 43 critics
- 32 reviews were positive
- 10 reviews were mixed
- 1 reviews were negative
A user score of 8.1 based on 1607 users.
- 418 reviews were positive
- 39 reviews were mixed
- 29 reviews were negative
The Dark Knight Rises
A metascore of 78 of 100 based on 45 critics
- 37 reviews were positive
- 6 reviews were mixed
- 2 reviews were negative
A user score of 8.6 based on 1983 users.
- 497 reviews were positive
- 40 reviews were mixed
- 59 reviews were negative
So your right that on Metacritic TDKR's metascore beats Avengers' metascore by 9 points, but they only base their metascore on reviews from about 43 - 45 critics as opposed to RottenTomatoes whose score is based on reviews from about 290-291 reviews so to me that means RottenTomatoes consesnsus probably better reflects the views of the broader public then the score of Metacritic.
Also the CinemaScore of Marvel's The Avenger was an A+ grade. The CinemaScore of The Dark Knight Rises was an A grade. So technically based on the CinemaScore, Avengers wins again! Boosh!
@Mediumguy: @entropy_aegis: Yes, Avengers isn't something I'd consider a contender for the Oscar for best movie, but what made it great was it successfully merged the egos of several big name actors in a way that was believable. Also, it was entertaining to the portion of the public who isn't familiar with comics and it stayed true to the source material (i.e. comic books) allowing these characters to stay true to who they are making the fanboys happy for the most part. I mean you can downplay that, but that's no small feat. The things that made the Avengers great is what hurt TDKR. While Nolan has had a great run, he strays from the source material. He goes to the opposite extreme. He makes his movies too realistic to the point they aren't really the comic book we know and love. For example, Bruce Wayne bankrupts his own company with his escapades. While this makes sense it takes away from the aspect of Batman which revolves around the hero who funds a war on crime using his own money. It makes him seem selfish (in an economic sense, Wall St. Vs. Main St.) and potentially as dangerous as the criminals he fights (in his own way). And on top of that he builds a potential nuclear disaster right underneath Gotham. Basically he caused the very calamity that he saved Gotham from. Isn't Batman the guy who anticipates all scenarios, yet he doesn't anticipate a possibility that his experimental reactor could become the next Chernobyl. Also in past arguments for Nolan's prior two movies I've always felt that Nolan's accomplishments make him the best Batman director to date cause he built on the accomplishments of previous directors, but I didn't feel that he built on the successes of previous Batman movies in this movie. Truthfully, I like Burton's Catwoman better then Nolan's Catwoman. She was too "realistic" to the point where they phased out the catlike aspects to her character. Yes catlike aspects of her character make her less realistic, but based on that logic Bruce Wayne shouldn't be running around in a Bat costume cause that's not "realistic" either. Also, I really was hoping to see a tricked out Batcave and an actual Batmobile. Again, Burton wins on these two fronts because Nolan was to busy trying to be too realistic. That is why Avengers wins to me. It places the movie in a realistic setting, but doesn't forget that it's a comic book movie. And for the record I actually like Tom Hardy's Bane. There are other things, but i'd take to long to list them.
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