Some of yall need chill with the lowballing of CW Flash, When people put morals off and still get lowballs that doesn't make sense at all if he is in-character then you can make all the jokes you want about him because he is pathetic but if say not in-character and morals-off Flash then stop lowballing actually look at his feats
What are you talking about? He didn't job against Oliver. He was looking to humiliate Oliver, failed(not because of his own shortcomings, but because of Oliver's level of skill), got angry and then blitzed the hell out of Oliver. Oliver staying in that fight is a testament to Oliver's skills and tactical mind. It takes nothing away from Barry. Just re watch the fight and see how many times Oliver forced Barry's back to him because he knew Barry couldn't stop things he couldn't see coming his way(in the beginning of the episode.)
@staticdwanyemcduffie: dude cw barry sucks, not just as a combatant but as a character, and bloodlusted he still jobs like hell.
I'm not talking about his character am I. I'm talking about his skills if he can't tell between when he is jobbing when he is not then you have a problem
Flash jobs like every episode. The only time he fights properly is against speedsters. And extending the plot is not excuse. You'd don't see comic flash getting tagged anywhere near this much.The writers are just bad and lacked the imagination to think logical ways for him lose and etc, so they make him fight like an idiot
Flash jobs like every episode. The only time he fights properly is against speedsters. And extending the plot is not excuse. You'd don't see comic flash getting tagged anywhere near this much.The writers are just bad and lacked the imagination to think logical ways for him lose and etc, so they make him fight like an idiot
I agree complete the writers can't write him at all, but what saying is if we take his indivdual feats and par them up with being bloodlusted or morals off he should win a majortiy some of the fights he is in instead of being lowballed whether he's bloodlusted or not
Flash jobs like every episode. The only time he fights properly is against speedsters. And extending the plot is not excuse. You'd don't see comic flash getting tagged anywhere near this much.The writers are just bad and lacked the imagination to think logical ways for him lose and etc, so they make him fight like an idiot
I agree complete the writers can't write him at all, but what saying is if we take his indivdual feats and par them up with being bloodlusted or morals off he should win a majortiy some of the fights he is in instead of being lowballed whether he's bloodlusted or not
Oh. I only make that argument if he is character but bloodlust is an entirely different story,
Bloodlusted Barry still couldn't beat the Arrow in a fight, and even is he's bloodlusted, he can't actually kill anyone. He's capable of doing it, but he can't bring himself to do it. He had Zoom in a spot where he could die, and he couldn't do it. This is the dude who killed his dad, right in front of him, he kidnapped Wally, Joe, and Barry still wouldn't kill him.
Flash jobs like every episode. The only time he fights properly is against speedsters. And extending the plot is not excuse. You'd don't see comic flash getting tagged anywhere near this much.The writers are just bad and lacked the imagination to think logical ways for him lose and etc, so they make him fight like an idiot
I agree complete the writers can't write him at all, but what saying is if we take his indivdual feats and par them up with being bloodlusted or morals off he should win a majortiy some of the fights he is in instead of being lowballed whether he's bloodlusted or not
Oh. I only make that argument if he is character but bloodlust is an entirely different story,
Yes it is completely different still lowballing shit out of him which is annoying btw nice steins gate picture
Bloodlusted Barry still couldn't beat the Arrow in a fight, and even is he's bloodlusted, he can't actually kill anyone. He's capable of doing it, but he can't bring himself to do it. He had Zoom in a spot where he could die, and he couldn't do it. This is the dude who killed his dad, right in front of him, he kidnapped Wally, Joe, and Barry still wouldn't kill him.
It's straight jobbing and PIS, but what I am saying is that with stuff Barry can do if he is morals-off/compotent he should be able to rekt some people pretty badly he in imo is above street leveler when he in-character or is just jobbing he's is like fodder to street level. The whole Flash Vs Arrow mirrories the Batman vs Superman fight. We all know the obvious winner should be super-powered people but regular humans get PIS and equiqment so it makes it fair
@staticdwanyemcduffie: The thing is, Barry isn't exactly a competent fighter, he's definitely gotten better over the two seasons, but he's not a guy that can solely rely on his H2H. I agree, when he's going all out, and he gets talked up by Team Flash, he's above street level. But he's always gotta be talked up. Another thing is he unwillingness to actually seriously hurt/kill any of his enemies, giving them the chance to rebound in the fight.
@staticdwanyemcduffie: The thing is, Barry isn't exactly a competent fighter, he's definitely gotten better over the two seasons, but he's not a guy that can solely rely on his H2H. I agree, when he's going all out, and he gets talked up by Team Flash, he's above street level. But he's always gotta be talked up. Another thing is he unwillingness to actually seriously hurt/kill any of his enemies, giving them the chance to rebound in the fight.
I agree that writers are completely idiots or just don't know how write his character biggest example is Season 2 finale, When Barry time travels to save his mom prior to that ep we had ep where Barry was learning how to move on from his mom's death then in the finale they just kick all that development out the door for "COMIC BOOK MATERIAL COOOLLL" it's annoying it really doesn't matter if we get flashpoint or not but rather see Barry actually have character develeopment.
@staticdwanyemcduffie: Yeah I know, it's season three and Barry still can't move on about his mom's death, and he just basically screwed the timeline.
Yea it's completely dumb and the only reason made him do it because "coool comic book material" I want to see comic-book material but want see it done the right way, if this was like season one Barry I could see this happening but it's really stupid that took it basically his whole life to get over his mom's death and he still crying about it
@staticdwanyemcduffie: Yeah I know, it's season three and Barry still can't move on about his mom's death, and he just basically screwed the timeline.
Yea it's completely dumb and the only reason made him do it because "coool comic book material" I want to see comic-book material but want see it done the right way, if this was like season one Barry I could see this happening but it's really stupid that took it basically his whole life to get over his mom's death and he still crying about it
what? dude, its because this version of barry is completely different from the comics thatthis happened, comic barry was noble and wasn't an idiot(barring the new 52). Literally every problem with the show was because they disregarded the comics
@kbroskywalker: I think he meant that they wanna do the TV show version of "Flashpoint" which is a big thing for Flash, but yet again, they screwed the source material and did their own thing.
@kbroskywalker: I think he meant that they wanna do the TV show version of "Flashpoint" which is a big thing for Flash, but yet again, they screwed the source material and did their own thing.
You don't always have follow source material but if going do your own thing atleast plan this thing out instead last moment asspull to make audience "shocked"
@kbroskywalker: I think he meant that they wanna do the TV show version of "Flashpoint" which is a big thing for Flash, but yet again, they screwed the source material and did their own thing.
Pretty good sum up of all the dc live action shows barring constantine and lucifer(which was supposed to be a very very losse version of the character)
CW Barry is pathetic, he once uses like a ton of speed mirages one episode then never does it again in combat; He'd be utterly stomped by DCEU Barry Allen
Not to mention he requires a motivational speech just to perform a feat, it's just laughable
Most of the villains aren't really presented as direct physical threats to him,but to everyone else. Also,yay he's absurdly lowballed,I've seen people non-ironically claim Kick-Ass could ROFLstomp him.
The only reason why they make him job because of the plots. What's the point of having a speedster who pictures himself in taking down villains in a serious tone has CW Oliver? The episode might as well end in 10 mins than the normal 20. It's used for plot preferences and to keep the show going in the long run. But I do agree in some episodes he should job much less than he has to.
The Arrow vs Flash fight is possibly the stupidest fight I've seen, and still stands as the shining example of the full force effects of PIS/WIS/CIS. Makes the Arrow brigade unbearable at times. Flash's fight vs Dr. Light is awful. As are all of his fights against Captain Cold and Heatwave. Him getting tagged by Vandal Savage is a wtf moment. His fight vs Alchemy was yet another wtf (kept getting knocked down/pinned by that energy thing). Quite frankly, as much as I used to enjoy watching the show, the writing is cringe worthy almost all the time, and the fact that Barry is so incompetent at fighting really is obnoxious and annoying to watch.
As a side note, it seems like Barry is an expert on fighting against other speedsters (except Savitar), but can't put it together to fight anyone else.
The Arrow vs Flash fight is possibly the stupidest fight I've seen, and still stands as the shining example of the full force effects of PIS/WIS/CIS. Makes the Arrow brigade unbearable at times. Flash's fight vs Dr. Light is awful. As are all of his fights against Captain Cold and Heatwave. Him getting tagged by Vandal Savage is a wtf moment. His fight vs Alchemy was yet another wtf (kept getting knocked down/pinned by that energy thing). Quite frankly, as much as I used to enjoy watching the show, the writing is cringe worthy almost all the time, and the fact that Barry is so incompetent at fighting really is obnoxious and annoying to watch.
As a side note, it seems like Barry is an expert on fighting against other speedsters (except Savitar), but can't put it together to fight anyone else.
actually captain cold is one of the few who can actually legit beat him , it was explained by Caitlyn season 1 , the cold air prevents barry's molecules from speeding up (they generate intense heat) , causing him to slowdown greatly
and people seem to forget that if Barry DOESNT job then the show would take at max 5 min to film , a speedster stomping everyone isn't entertaining and especially a speedster with powers for only 2.5 years
@darkonast: Honestly it would be more fun to watch Flash speed-blitz every single villain rather than watch him job and struggle the way he does. If they could come up with legit reasons for why he is struggling (other than plot purposes to make the products interesting), it'd be OK. But they can't or don't.
@darkonast: Honestly it would be more fun to watch Flash speed-blitz every single villain rather than watch him job and struggle the way he does. If they could come up with legit reasons for why he is struggling (other than plot purposes to make the products interesting), it'd be OK. But they can't or don't.
easy , he's on a tv show , same reason why superman doesn't speed blitz everyone , morals and lack-of-entertainment , superman has enough strength to ko anyone a 1/25 strength but does he? no b/c writers don't wanna see seed blitz stomps everytime , same reason why if people see barry speed blitz every episode , it would be boring , plus this version of The Flash is different , barry has a supporting cast of the smartest people in the city who taught him everything, instead of learning mostly on his in the comics , Barry in 2.5 years of hwaving powers in the comics is way faster , stronger and smarter than the version on TV in 2.5 years
A Flash not holding back fought a sort-of prepared Green Arrow in Season 1. He still fought like an incompetent retard, didn't take advantage of his set loose unrestricted potential power and lost. And that's when he's bloodlusted.
@staticdwanyemcduffie: You can't really expect a lot from them tbh. They got a time limit and stuff. They don't have months to revise and revise until it's perfect.
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