CW Arrow or MCU Hawkeye: Which archer would you rather have on your team?
@brucerogers: Oliver brings so much more to the table than archery though, I can't say the same for Clint.
I won't argue with that. But when it comes to who is the best archer, Clint should win
"My team" but, a team of what?
Archers?
Motivational speakers?
Marksmen?
Bodyguards?
Models?
Wrestlers?
Because I would chose Clint for the first three, and Oliver for the last three.
Both has Pros and Cons. Clint is a family man, I can see him always pushing no matter the odds to just hold his family again. A man with that kind of heart, with that kind of edge is very good to have on a team. Oliver has lost so many friends and family, and has endured alot.. just like Bats, his past is so dark. He lies alot just like most on the show lol. No doubt Oliver has heart.. but he's a conflicted, and a dark individual always reflecting on past demons, don't know if I'd want that on my team.
Both are similar in h2h skill imho but I would say Hawkeye is the better archer, and I'd give GA slight edge in h2h. Barton has a tactical mind.. Ollie has just had more showings being a solo hero it seems he's Superior, but nah I don't think so. He's fought for quite some time apparently, Id say longer than Ollies 6-10 years. He knows how to have some tricks up his sleeves just like Arrow, GA has just shown more. It's hard to choose.. but I'd go with Clint.
Hawkeye, I'm afraid Green Arrow tells the superstrong kryptonian or god that may or may not be on the team as well to stay out of the fight so he can feel more important. Also he is an better archer.
@BruceRogers: when it comes to archery what has hawkeye done to say he is better than arrow? .
@touma: Shotting that Chitauri without even looking. Oliver has never done something close to that level.
5 seasons and Oliver still has problems playing nice with others. Why the hell would anyone want that on a TEAM?
Clint would die in the first season of arrow, no question, unless you want him purely for marksmanship and not close combat.
honestly ollie is the best option for te single fact that he can do everything Clint can do and then some. his archery skills are around Clint ' s lvl and he out classes clint in h2h combat, reflex, strength, durability etc.
he has multi lingual skills, limited ITC skills (s1 ollie made his own gears including a hacking arrow even before he met felicity), interrogation skills, tactical knowledge (outsmarted deathstroke), leadership skills (ollie has shown to be a great leader when he needs to be), and criminal underworld connections, survival and guerilla warfare tacts (on the island especially against kovar's men), swordsmanship, limited knowledge of the occult , training skills (turned a noob like mr terrific into a somewhat decent fighter) etc.
if this was a job interview I would definitely be much more impressed by ollie s resume
Definitely Hawkeye
But he's just an agent
Definitely Hawkeye
But he's just an agent
He's also in movies. He reigns superior on that alone
"My team" but, a team of what?
Archers?
Motivational speakers?
Marksmen?
Bodyguards?
Models?
Wrestlers?
Because I would chose Clint for the first three, and Oliver for the last three.
You know...Oliver is my favorite live action character...I wouldn't want to hangout with him though or be on a team with him now that I think about it. He's a bad teammate at times...so Clint.
as an archer hawkeye stomps, as a fighter oliver stomps
Not sure about that. Ollie's the only one here who's shot other arrows out of the air before
as an archer hawkeye stomps, as a fighter oliver stomps
Not sure about that. Ollie's the only one here who's shot other arrows out of the air before
to be honest i dont remember watching oliver doing that
as an archer hawkeye stomps, as a fighter oliver stomps
Not sure about that. Ollie's the only one here who's shot other arrows out of the air before
to be honest i dont remember watching oliver doing that
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I’m sorry, who’s the reason their team split apart? Because he’s a controlling jackass who continually shuns his teammates, as well as keeps secrets? Clint, right?
Oh wait.
On a team? Obv Hawkeye. People say that Arrow is better in a fight, perhaps that argument can be made. But the personality of Oliver I find would cause more problems for the team than that difference might be worth. And as it stands, Hawkeye could hang with the likes of Black Panther or Black Widow, even if not win, but the fact he could hold his own for a not-extended period of time is impressive enough. And I do love his archery skills (with that shot into the USB slot being amazing to me), and his preference to not get hand-to-hand anyway, but stay, watch and be a ghost, and be a sniper. But his temperament for a team makes this a no-brainer.
@plotweapon16255: sorry for the late reply , yeah That feat makes Oliver a good archer but I don’t change my opinion about that hawkeye is a better archer
@plotweapon16255: sorry for the late reply , yeah That feat makes Oliver a good archer but I don’t change my opinion about that hawkeye is a better archer
I don't have any problem with ur opinion that says " Hawkeye is the better archer better than Oliver " but....it isn't true.
It's gotta be Oliver here, he's got Clint outmatched across the board. He's a much better fighter, a better archer, much better tactically, he's a better leader, and he's got better recources/connections. Clint's probably more fun to hang with, but that's about it.
I’m sorry, who’s the reason their team split apart? Because he’s a controlling jackass who continually shuns his teammates, as well as keeps secrets? Clint, right?
Oh wait.
Eh, I disagree that the split was much Oliver's fault.
It basically came down to him bugging Curtis, Dinah, and Rene because he suspected there was a mole, something wildly dangerous in that line of work. And he was 100 percent right, Rene was a mole, the move was justified. Rene knowingly sold out Oliver, and Oliver still forgave him almost immediately, despite this being far from the first time Rene had screwed up badly. That's not even remotely shunning his teammates, if anything, that's way more compassion than Rene deserved. Sure, Rene was trying to get custody of his daughter, but Oliver had already started the process of making that happen without putting the entire team at risk. Rene has absolutely no right to be angry at Oliver, especially when he and Curtis were the ones begging to work with him in S5.
As for the pratice of bugging teammates itself, Felicity bugged Oliver early in S5 when he was trying to free Diggle, something Curtis and Rene both went along with. Then Evelyn and they even resorted to trying to fight him, despite Oliver's clear reservations. Oliver didn't even slightly hold a grudge for any of this. Curtis put tracking nanites on Felicity in S5 to expose her cooperation with Helix, she didn't hold a grudge either. Again, Curtis was right, but so was Oliver. Heck, Diggle tried to bug Oliver in S1 and Oliver didn't care.
Moreover, Oliver is actually incredibly forgiving, and rarely the reason for team drama. He's forgiven Rene for screwing things up time and time again, and continued to mentor him both as a vigilante and in his job at the Mayor's Office. He's forgave Quentyn immediately for years of conspiring against him, and even for actively working with Damien Darhk. He helped Quentyn reform his life from being an alcoholic to holding a prominent position in the Mayor's Office, one where Quentyn has done a lot of good. He forgave Felicity immediately for undermining him multiple times, conspiring with Helix, releasing Cayden James against Oliver's warnings (something he never even brought up while fighting Cayden), hesitating against her boyfriend Darhk was using, etc. He forgave Diggle for keeping the tremor a secret. He forgave Evelyn for turning against him. He was the only ones in the Dominator Crossover to stand by Barry even after Flashpoint. He forgave Merlyn in order to give Thea a better life. He forgave Moira for her many crimes without hesitation. He even forgave Slade for killing his mother and nearly destroying everything he cared for. These are just a couple examples.
If anything, Oliver generally takes way too much responsibility for the actions of others, often including his teammates. He tries to carry the burden of guilt on his back to lift it from his associates. His whole conspiracy to take down the League is an obvious exception where he's definitely at fault, but ultimately it was necessary and his plan was effective.
Meanwhile, Oliver's success as a leader has been staggering. He's actively mentored many of the heroes through the universe, including Flash, White Canary, the Atom, Black Canary(s), Spartan, Arsenal, Speedy, Ragman, Wild-Dog, Mr Terrific, Huntress, etc. There's a reason he's the leader whenever a new multi-show crisis develops.
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