Not a single one of those feats is post flashpoint and therefore Nu52. As far as I'm aware no pre flashpoint feats for Arthur are canon in the nu52. Those during Flashpoint are but not before.
if we were to go from classic Aquaman he was clearly around an 80 to 90 tonner (with two feats out of the norm above the 100), his durability would have also been better he had tanked high explosions, energy blasts, His speed would be high super sonic (having outraced an overhead concord in the ocean and much more. If you'd like to see more you can check out my Aquaman folder in my images here
He has more than a few feats so far new 52 that place him in the 25 to 75 tonne range but nothing above that. Contrary to what I have seen posted most often (the throwing of the armored car) that is not above that range. Yes an armored car fully laden is around 25 to 30 tonnes (and I can't imagine thieves robbing an empty one), yes being in a car chase meant it was probably going 50MPH or faster. There is however the fact that he used leverage to throw the vehicle that means it's not the pure calculation of the impulse to give you stats. The feat of towing a couple of fishing vessels also well within this range. his drop from an aircraft is the only really impressive thing with regards durability. he can tank small arms fire but has also bled so he isn't bullet "proof" per se.
@Moon_Bat_87: the scan i showed above states he mastered all fighting styles.
Even so he's only mastered Earth fighting styles. While KK has mastered all styles throughout the universe 10 centuries later. A 7 after all is
7.Master of all forms of combat
there are more than just martial arts that make up combat. there is more than just Earth, there is more than just the 20th century and before. Whatever Bruce has learned it not as "all" as it could be.
Keep in mind I'm only using characters in the n52 so far, and to my knowledge, Karate Kid hasn't appeared. So at the moment, I have no plans for him.
(spoiler alert: the next 2 will be a female powerhouse and an agile street level dude)
Right, then that speaks to the point beatboks1 made. So my scans no longer count.
But still I dont think Batman counts, because if we are using New 52 it has not been declared that he has mastered all known martial arts. So he is a 6.
@Moon_Bat_87: But it has been implied that a fair amount of his pre-n52 material is still considered canon - and therefore can be used (remark is in the OP).
@Moon_Bat_87: But it has been implied that a fair amount of his pre-n52 material is still considered canon - and therefore can be used (remark is in the OP).
Oh man...Driving me crazy....I am getting conflicting opinions on this. Thankfully you are the one making the final decision. From what has been displayed its really up to you.
To me fighting ability should be overall skill of winning a fight . I mean Superman doesn't need to know 200 martial arts to win a fight but how many can beat him in one..? Anyone who has taken any kind of fighting art or studied combat sports can tell you that just knowing karate or whatever doesn't automatically make you a good fighter anyway.
Might adjust these stats once we see her fight with Superman though. I would like to see her durability range most of all but speed and strength would be great as well.
@Erik: When will she fight Superman? You're always welcome to pull an "OBJECTION!" when that fight takes place and state why her stats (at that time) should receive an update.
Also, I think it's safe to say her durability should be more than a 3 seeing as she was fine after that "fist to face" from Darkseid. Thoughts?
@Erik: When will she fight Superman? You're always welcome to pull an "OBJECTION!" when that fight takes place and state why her stats (at that time) should receive an update.
There is a promo for an issue where she and Batman fight Superman. Superman has some kind of spots on his face, indicating he will not be himself. This is hearsay though, I have not seen the promo myself.
10 - 30 tons. Military aircraft are not especially heavy and even though it looks big, it looks to be some kind of transport, which means lots of empty space.
10 - 30 tons. Military aircraft are not especially heavy and even though it looks big, it looks to be some kind of transport, which means lots of empty space.
Yeah, I recall the team having a decent amount of space to fight in the back of the plane.
Though it should be noted that she looks to be carrying it with ease and I do not know if that aircraft is carrying a load. If it is, it could weigh as much as 4 or 5 times its empty weight.
I also recall her shattering Hal's constructs (and sending both Hal and Superman flying with strikes), but trying to speculate on how much strength that requires will be quite a chore, and even then, it's likely just speculation.
I also recall her shattering Hal's constructs (and sending both Hal and Superman flying with strikes), but trying to speculate on how much strength that requires will be quite a chore, and even then, it's likely just speculation.
Agreed for now. I forgot she took a full punch right to the face from Darkseid though. I think that puts her into some kind of super human range, so 6. I just worry about definition since this WW still seems to need to block slashing attacks. Also, my rankings are with bracelets on.
Might adjust these stats once we see her fight with Superman though. I would like to see her durability range most of all but speed and strength would be great as well.
Erik I haven't been keeping up with JLA or WW nu52, but is she SERIOUSLY downgraded THIS MUCH
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Day in the life one, with LOIS ?? where (IIRC) she was working on a cure for Something one of John Henry's (Steel) relatives suffered??? Am I close????
In any case that's more than a little pre Flashpoint. All these rankings are supposed to be Nu52 based aren't they?
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Day in the life one, with LOIS ?? where (IIRC) she was working on a cure for Something one of John Henry's (Steel) relatives suffered??? Am I close????
In any case that's more than a little pre Flashpoint. All these rankings are supposed to be Nu52 based aren't they?
Yes, they are. However, if there's evidence supporting that a fair degree of the character's pre-new52 history is still in tact (for example, Batman) - I'll allow it. That said, I have no idea if such is the case with Wonder Woman or if it's logical to assume that.
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Day in the life one, with LOIS ?? where (IIRC) she was working on a cure for Something one of John Henry's (Steel) relatives suffered??? Am I close????
In any case that's more than a little pre Flashpoint. All these rankings are supposed to be Nu52 based aren't they?
Yes, they are. However, if there's evidence supporting that a fair degree of the character's pre-new52 history is still in tact (for example, Batman) - I'll allow it. That said, I have no idea if such is the case with Wonder Woman or if it's logical to assume that.
Her history hasn't been fully fleshed out yet, but I think it is reasonable to assume the blessings of the god still stand. Anyway I stand by my original mark for intelligence, take it or leave it.
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Day in the life one, with LOIS ?? where (IIRC) she was working on a cure for Something one of John Henry's (Steel) relatives suffered??? Am I close????
In any case that's more than a little pre Flashpoint. All these rankings are supposed to be Nu52 based aren't they?
Yes, they are. However, if there's evidence supporting that a fair degree of the character's pre-new52 history is still in tact (for example, Batman) - I'll allow it. That said, I have no idea if such is the case with Wonder Woman or if it's logical to assume that.
With this comment from k4tzm4n in mind, I cannot believe the very low rankings that Wonder Woman has received. There are tons and tons of scans I could produce to support my ranks above, but I will just get vetoed by everyone else, so I am not going to bother.
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Day in the life one, with LOIS ?? where (IIRC) she was working on a cure for Something one of John Henry's (Steel) relatives suffered??? Am I close????
In any case that's more than a little pre Flashpoint. All these rankings are supposed to be Nu52 based aren't they?
Yes, they are. However, if there's evidence supporting that a fair degree of the character's pre-new52 history is still in tact (for example, Batman) - I'll allow it. That said, I have no idea if such is the case with Wonder Woman or if it's logical to assume that.
Her history hasn't been fully fleshed out yet, but I think it is reasonable to assume the blessings of the god still stand. Anyway I stand by my original mark for intelligence, take it or leave it.
Well, taking it or leaving it will be based on the course of discussion over the next 2 days :P
@RazzaTazz: I'm not trying to question your knowledge - just saying I want to see other people weigh in on her intellect. It would be cool if @Babs shared her input too since I know she's a big Wonder Woman fan.
@k4tzm4n: Oh but I thought you were averaging all the reasonable answers. I would think that seeing as I am an expert that my answer would be considered reasonable?
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Wrong continuity. This is for the New 52 and she has displayed little to back up this statement or your proposed stats.
And considering her entire continuity has been uprooted and warped, we can assume nothing from Post Crisis. Her powers were even stated to not be gifts from the gods but rather part of her heritage as a child of Zeus.
@beatboks1 said:
@Erik said:
Wonder Woman
Intelligence:
Learned - 3
Strength:
Superhuman: 75-100 ton range - 5
Speed:
Speed of sound: Mach 1 - 4
Durability:
Superhuman - 6
Energy Projection:
None - 1
Fighting Ability:
Master of a single form of combat - 5
Might adjust these stats once we see her fight with Superman though. I would like to see her durability range most of all but speed and strength would be great as well.
Erik I haven't been keeping up with JLA or WW nu52, but is she SERIOUSLY downgraded THIS MUCH
Based on what she has shown so far, yes. But if she does have that fight with Superman, this might change.
@k4tzm4n: Well I am somewhat of a Wonder Woman expert, seeing as I have read every single one of her monthly series issues.
I am not sure if we are counting the lasso, because we didnt count Aquaman's telepathy for Energy projection or Batman's gear for Energy projection either.
I would also say that Diana's intelligence is perhaps not above Bruce's, and Bruce's official rank is now 5.
And are you sure her Durability shouldnt be 7, she is nearly just as Durable as Superman?
And I agree with your downgrade in speed versus my own rank of 6. And the fighting rank, after looking at some of the scans, I can agree.
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Wrong continuity. This is for the New 52 and she has displayed little to back up this statement or your proposed stats.
And considering her entire continuity has been uprooted and warped, we can assume nothing from Post Crisis. Her powers were even stated to not be gifts from the gods but rather part of her heritage as a child of Zeus.
Actually that has never been established. Her mother was turned to stone before she ever said anything about Diana's true origin, other than Zeus was her father.
@k4tzm4n: Oh but I thought you were averaging all the reasonable answers. I would think that seeing as I am an expert that my answer would be considered reasonable?
Basically. Truth be told, this is a rather complicated situation and I'm doing my best to keep it fair. I'm not trying to say your answer is unreasonable or anything along those lines - not at all. I'm just interested to hearing more opinions, that's all.
@Moon_Bat_87: Ok then energy to 0 if that is the case. If Bruce is a 5 then he should also be a 5. She is as smart if only in different ways. She i not actually invulnerable in any way. She can be harmed by pointed projectiles such as arrows or bullets. I gave her that high because she uses her bracelets to deflect everything that comes her way.
Wonder Woman has god granted wisdom from Athena. She is likely in the smartest people in the DC Universe and is comparable to Batman in intelligence. She can learn new languages in days and has been shown to be a scientific genius (WW Vol 2 issue 170)
Wrong continuity. This is for the New 52 and she has displayed little to back up this statement or your proposed stats.
And considering her entire continuity has been uprooted and warped, we can assume nothing from Post Crisis. Her powers were even stated to not be gifts from the gods but rather part of her heritage as a child of Zeus.
Actually that has never been established. Her mother was turned to stone before she ever said anything about Diana's true origin, other than Zeus was her father.
........
Yes it was. When Diana was mewing about the knowledge of her creation (that is when the said Post-Crisis gifts were given) was all a lie. And when did it say she received gifts from the gods in the New 52? Nowhere.
her wisdom is knowing how to use what she knows correctly, it is not scientific knowledge
she doesn't know the same amount of things others do but has the ability to use what she does know as best as it can be
she isn't one of the most knowledgable people in the universe but one of wisest
book smarts vs street smarts(Wonder Women)...not that she doesn't have any book smarts but in comparison to Bats/Luther(who have both) she isn't as intelligent as they are
@Moon_Bat_87: Ok then energy to 0 if that is the case. If Bruce is a 5 then he should also be a 5. She is as smart if only in different ways. She i not actually invulnerable in any way. She can be harmed by pointed projectiles such as arrows or bullets. I gave her that high because she uses her bracelets to deflect everything that comes her way.
Really? She can be harmed by bullets but not Nuclear blasts, Punches from Superman or other energy based attacks.....That's weird....But now I see why she uses the Bracelets against bullets and projectiles.
@RazzaTazz said:
@k4tzm4n: Well as was just pointed out to me if Bruce is a 5 then so would be Diana. I downgrade my choice.
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