I need help with a forum I'm making I need some consevative heroes and villains and liberal heroes and villains. You may also include presidents and people of popular culture that have been in comics. Check my lists out. Conservatives and Liberals.
Of course a liberal can also be in favor of capitalism,few liberals would advocate communism and while many superheroes could be socially conservative(minus any bigoted elements),and some could be warhawk conservatives few if any would bust unions,advocate against minimum wages ,or misunderstand the necessity of taxation of the wealthiest to at least stabilize the economy weather you care about poor people or not (and most super heroes would care about poor people).
There is a reason like 2% of scientists consider themselves conservative and about 80% of college professors consider themselves liberal.
" Fascism is generally regarded as extremely conservative. "
Yeah I agree
@hyiena
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" Communists:Red Skull "
Red Skull is actually fascist not communist, so he might be right of centre rather than left of centre. Nazis and Russian Commies hated each other, they ended up having one of the worst fights of all time at Stalingrad. IMO Red Skull is right wing extremist not leftwing extremist, left would be guys like Castro or Kim Jong Il whatever or some of the comic book characters you mentioned like Omega Red. IMO the Skull is rightwing but whatever place the Red Skull fits his views they are militant, racist and extreme
@MrMiracle77
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" Green Arrow is probably the most well known liberal superhero. "
Liberal almost to the extreme He's the Michael Moore of DC verse
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@Son_of_Magnus
said:
" Did you just compare Democrats to Communist Russia? "
So despite the fact Truman was Liberal, he decides to ignore this and put him in the conservative list so it fits perfectly into his perfect little political view of the world around him
" Fascism is generally regarded as extremely conservative. "
Yeah I agree
@hyiena
said:
" Communists:Red Skull "
Red Skull is actually fascist not communist, so he might be right of centre rather than left of centre. Nazis and Russian Commies hated each other, they ended up having one of the worst fights of all time at Stalingrad. IMO Red Skull is right wing extremist not leftwing extremist, left would be guys like Castro or Kim Jong Il whatever or some of the comic book characters you mentioned like Omega Red. IMO the Skull is rightwing but whatever place the Red Skull fits his views they are militant, racist and extreme
@MrMiracle77
said:
" Green Arrow is probably the most well known liberal superhero. "
Liberal almost to the extreme He's the Michael Moore of DC verse
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@Son_of_Magnus
said:
" Did you just compare Democrats to Communist Russia? "
So despite the fact Truman was Liberal, he decides to ignore this and put him in the conservative list so it fits perfectly into his perfect little political view of the world around him "
Just because you are a democrat doesn't mean you are liberal. If Rorschach likes his him how can he be liberal;Rorschach is very right wing.
Flash (Wally West) - fairly conservative. He spent his sidekick days slapping around hippies. With the Titans, he never cared for Red Star either.
and by contrast...
Flash (Barry Allen) - this guy is the very definition of middle-of-the-road. He was the deciding vote when it came time to judge Doctor Light's fate in Identity Crisis. In that same scene, it is suggested that Hawkman, Zatanna, and The Atom tend to fall more to the right. Green Arrow, Green Lantern, and Black Canary all tend to fall to the left.
There was also a communist Red Skull created during the Cold War. Soviet Union hoped to benefit on the fear that the western states had of the original Red Skull and made their onw. He was killed recently during a prison outbreak through an intrigue of the original fascist Red Skull.
EDIT: His name was Albert Malik. Look into the Red Skull profile page.
It can be very useful to ask what the political beliefs of a given character are to understand their characterization and motivations, however we should always be weary when people try to define a character (or a real person's) beliefs within a political spectrum. Their are many conflicting models of what qualifies as a political spectrum. Each of these models of a political spectrum always reflects the ideological bias of the group that creates the spectrum. The political spectrum functions much more as a tool to dismiss those who's beliefs aren't compatible with those who made the spectrum, than it does to help people understand the merit (or lack there of ) of a variety of political views.
" There was also a communist Red Skull created during the Cold War. Soviet Union hoped to benefit on the fear that the western states had of the original Red Skull and made their onw. He was killed recently during a prison outbreak through an intrigue of the original fascist Red Skull. EDIT: His name was Albert Malik. Look into the Red Skull profile page. "
Ah, that explains it.
@NightFang said:
" @Bearded Justice said:
"Yeah, Rorschach is very right wing, along with The Question. "
I don't think Q is that right ring, Rorschach is just a crazy motherf**ker! "
If I remember correctly, the original Question was an Objectivist, and Rorschach was supposed to be something similar, or Libertarian, hence his view of criminals and reading of a conservative magazine. Both Objectivism and Libertarianism are usually placed on the conservative side of the political spectrum.
"Steve-Cap is actually a relatively liberal superhero. Green Arrow is probably the most well known liberal superhero. "
How could Cap be a lib; he is Captain America. Our country of America was founded on conservitism capitalism. "
Actually the first time in history that the term liberalism was used to describe political thought, it was used to describe people like Thomas Paine, Adam Smith, John Locke, and Thomas Jefferson.
Superman has switched around over the years I think. I've read that he was created as a liberal, the writers switched him to a conservative, then back to liberal later I think.
Hal Jordan always struck me as right wing. Honestly all the big heroes are going to be hard to pin down, superheroes are meant to be an inspiration generally, not partisan cheerleaders. Though perhaps they "lean" politically.
Yeah I agree and I think that is why they had green lantern and green arrow team up. In general I think superheroes tend to be the mouthpiece of the writer so like the bible anyone can take a passage to defend their position. There is no right or wrong answer unless politics have been officially established as part of the character like green arrow.
Hal Jordan is conservative but is relatively left wing (i hope that i didn't just contradict myself). He's about Law and Order but you won't see him bitching about the I.R.S or illegal immigrants
The Creeper was originally conservative. he was rebooted as a liberal.
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