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All three of these characters are stated to be galaxy busters,but none of them have ever destroyed a galaxy on panel. Ironically despite none of them destroying galaxies Berrus is lowballed to myultistar level, while odin and galactus are casually called multiple galaxies....despite never destroying a single galaxy.

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Before you post read this thread herehttp://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/intelligent-debate-about-feats-and-character-state-1654990/

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#3  Edited By kyrees

beerus's only statement to date doesn't come up to the numerous statements on odin and galactus's galaxy destruction. as far as i remember, odin's fights with other beings of his class caused the destruction of galaxies and galactus has destroyed a universe at some point

as far as sources of such statement goes, beerus can't hold a candle to odin and galactus

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@kyrees:

1. Odin has never destroyed a galaxy

2.Galactus never destroyed a universe, he survived the destruction of the previous universe

3.No One here has destroyed a galaxy,but you say berrus can't compare to odin and galactus.

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1. Odin has never destroyed a galaxy

2.Galactus never destroyed a universe, he survived the destruction of the previous universe

3.No One here has destroyed a galaxy,but you say berrus can't compare to odin and galactus.

1. odin has never directly destroyed a galaxy. his fights say a different thing.

2. galactus has at one point in his career has done so but i have forgotten what issue is that.

3. galactus and odin has years of feats and statements to them that they can be afforded such description. beerus doesn't have that luxury

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@kyrees: scans for odin and Galactus because to my knowledge none neither of those happened.

Also whats the difference between one statement and multiple statements? None of them still haven't destroyed galaxies yet.both statements were made by credible sources.

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#7  Edited By kyrees

@midnightdragon18 said:

Also whats the difference between one statement and multiple statements? None of them still haven't destroyed galaxies yet.both statements were made by credible sources.

because one character statement is not enough to establish him at such position especially if the universe he came from is rather inconsistent in displaying such level of destruction (only one destruction feat of such level to date and it isn't even canon, the filler parts are contentable). marvel has the numbers at this point so whether you can disprove them or not is not something you can do easily and convincingly to everyone.

as for the feats.

odin (what i can find at this point)

galactus (what i can find at this point

galactus being the "bomb" is another statement for him

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@kyrees: but the statement was made by whis, berrus' teacher. Whis knows the capabilities of his student. Whis is an extremely objective source,he has no reason lie about his student's abilities. What would whis gain by lying?

Also no galaxies were busted in those scans.

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#9  Edited By kyrees

@midnightdragon18 said:

but the statement was made by whis, berrus' teacher. Whis knows the capabilities of his student. Whis is an extremely objective source,he has no reason lie about his student's abilities. What would whis gain by lying?

Also no galaxies were busted in those scans.

it is still one statement and can be easily broken down if someone wanted to. i'd give you an intro: what is whis to begin with and what is his true role beyond beerus's retainer ? if someone can't establish something strong to defend that then why should his one statement stand ?

the keyword is context and repetition. both character had such words repeated on them multiple times and some point did feats that would nearly equal the size range of a galaxy.

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@kyrees: what do you mean "what is whis"

Whis is berrus' teacher,why isn't his statement credible?

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@midnightdragon18: if whis is more powerful than beerus, then why does he need beerus at all ? whis's profile is not fully set that he can be trusted on his statement.

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@kyrees: that hasn't been fully explained yet, all we know is that berrus is the god of destruction and whis taught him. I could understand if whis was a known lair, but has he ever given you a reason not to trust him?

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#13  Edited By kyrees

@midnightdragon18: you are appealing for emotion which is not usable here because we do not use emotion as a standard to measure a character's credibility or else, "i strongly believe galactus would spare earth again because he has honored his deals in the past (not knowing the fact that galactus only spares earth 616 because of other reasons than honor)".

for a character that is significantly more powerful than beerus, why does he need him in the first place ? he hasn't told us why is that setup at all. heck if you look at the other godheads of dragonball, there is no other unique setup like this two. if that kind of vagueness is shown, then the credibility of what he says falls as well.

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#14  Edited By midnightdragon18

@kyrees: Whis doesn't need berrus for anything,whis is just his teacher.there are multiple universes in dbz. Each with their own god of destruction.i would the god of destruction for that universe is chosen by a higher power.

Here is a quote from wiki-Whis is the one who taught martial arts to the God of Destruction Beerus, and he apparently oversees and trains the successive God of Destruction of the Seventh Universe. Why do you keep asking why whis needs berrus ?

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@kyrees: it's already been stated that whis is stronger than berus. Berus himself stated it, toriyama himself described how powerful whis was in his interview.

Ssjg = 6 berus = 10 whis = 15

Not only did Whis knock out berus with a single hit, he himself pointed he's more skilled than berus in revival of freeza .

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#16  Edited By CitizenSentry

@kyrees said:
@midnightdragon18 said:

1. Odin has never destroyed a galaxy

2.Galactus never destroyed a universe, he survived the destruction of the previous universe

3.No One here has destroyed a galaxy,but you say berrus can't compare to odin and galactus.

1. odin has never directly destroyed a galaxy. his fights say a different thing.

2. galactus has at one point in his career has done so but i have forgotten what issue is that.

3. galactus and odin has years of feats and statements to them that they can be afforded such description. beerus doesn't have that luxury

I remember he moved a galaxy with a wave of his hand or was that someone else?

EDIT: Found it!

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Beerus is nowhere near galaxy buster

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#18  Edited By mysticmedivh

Odin shattered galaxies.

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#19  Edited By midnightdragon18

@mysticmedivh: scans of him actually shattering one ? Not the other guy posted already.

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@lettsplay10: but he was stated to be one...just like odin and Galactus....who ironically have never busted galaxies either.

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#22  Edited By kgb725

"Long dead Galaxies are being shattered" if he's destroying galaxies in that scan how is he not a galaxy buster ?

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#23  Edited By BlackWind

Why does this thread keep getting made?

Also I'm pretty sure Odin has recreated a galaxy.

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Odin is shown on pannel multigalaxy busting and galactcus can move galaxies and beat odin so yeah he can galaxy bust to. Beerus only has 1 statement maybe he could bust a small galaxy if he does DBZ threads should get more fun.

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Whis doesn't need berrus for anything,whis is just his teacher.there are multiple universes in dbz. Each with their own god of destruction.i would the god of destruction for that universe is chosen by a higher power.

Here is a quote from wiki-Whis is the one who taught martial arts to the God of Destruction Beerus, and he apparently oversees and trains the successive God of Destruction of the Seventh Universe. Why do you keep asking why whis needs berrus ?

the point is if beerus is the god of destruction, why does he need someone stronger than him ? whis should be god of destruction. whis or beerus should be the god of destruction alone. why does whis need beerus or why does beerus need whis ? if the other guy is already strong enough, it doesn't make sense why would he needs another weaker guy to be the "enforcer"

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#26  Edited By kyrees

it's already been stated that whis is stronger than berus. Berus himself stated it, toriyama himself described how powerful whis was in his interview.

Ssjg = 6 berus = 10 whis = 15

Not only did Whis knock out berus with a single hit, he himself pointed he's more skilled than berus in revival of freeza .

that doesn't answer my main point in which why is beerus needed to be the god of destruction when whis is strong enough to be one.

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@lettsplay10: From what I hear it was stated in the new movie, but we'll have to wait and see if its true.

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@kyrees said:
@flashback0180 said:

it's already been stated that whis is stronger than berus. Berus himself stated it, toriyama himself described how powerful whis was in his interview.

Ssjg = 6 berus = 10 whis = 15

Not only did Whis knock out berus with a single hit, he himself pointed he's more skilled than berus in revival of freeza .

that doesn't answer my main point in which why is beerus needed to be the god of destruction when whis is strong enough to be one.

why ?Because its not his place, this is like asking why wasn't popo the guardian of earth,He has lived since Hell was created . Before Kami was even born and he was massively stronger than any previous guardian on earth. He's still stronger than dende, Popo could have killed king piccolo .

and it's hinted Whis is so powerful because he watches over Berus, preventing unnecessary destruction ,due to berus nature. Berus is the type of god who destroyed multiple stars because he was cranky and wanted to go back to sleep

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galaxy explosions

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#30 JediXMan  Moderator

Odin and Galactus have enough feats. Their amount of feats essentially suggest that destroying a galaxy is not implausible. Galactus has destroyed solar systems, and I am pretty sure he is a galaxy buster. We know he is powerful enough to drain dimensions, as he did when he fought Mephisto in Mephisto's realm. Odin has caused massive destruction simply by fighting other powerful beings.

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galactus has destroyed a universe. Odin has destroyed galaxies while fighting. Beerus can destroy the kaioshin realm, which is 1/5 of the DBZ universe. So yes, he is galaxy level too.

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#32  Edited By kyrees

@flashback0180 said:
@kyrees said:
@flashback0180 said:

it's already been stated that whis is stronger than berus. Berus himself stated it, toriyama himself described how powerful whis was in his interview.

Ssjg = 6 berus = 10 whis = 15

Not only did Whis knock out berus with a single hit, he himself pointed he's more skilled than berus in revival of freeza .

that doesn't answer my main point in which why is beerus needed to be the god of destruction when whis is strong enough to be one.

why ?Because its not his place, this is like asking why wasn't popo the guardian of earth,He has lived since Hell was created . Before Kami was even born and he was massively stronger than any previous guardian on earth. He's still stronger than dende, Popo could have killed king piccolo .

and it's hinted Whis is so powerful because he watches over Berus, preventing unnecessary destruction ,due to berus nature. Berus is the type of god who destroyed multiple stars because he was cranky and wanted to go back to sleep

except popo wasn't that powerful to do the job on his own. whis, is for the better part of understanding him, is capable of doing so and yet beerus does the job. quite a mystery for this two gods.

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galactus has destroyed a universe. Odin has destroyed galaxies while fighting. Beerus can destroy the kaioshin realm, which is 1/5 of the DBZ universe. So yes, he is galaxy level too.

He had the Ultimate Nullifier when that happened.

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#34  Edited By flashback0180

@kyrees said:
@flashback0180 said:
@kyrees said:
@flashback0180 said:

it's already been stated that whis is stronger than berus. Berus himself stated it, toriyama himself described how powerful whis was in his interview.

Ssjg = 6 berus = 10 whis = 15

Not only did Whis knock out berus with a single hit, he himself pointed he's more skilled than berus in revival of freeza .

that doesn't answer my main point in which why is beerus needed to be the god of destruction when whis is strong enough to be one.

why ?Because its not his place, this is like asking why wasn't popo the guardian of earth,He has lived since Hell was created . Before Kami was even born and he was massively stronger than any previous guardian on earth. He's still stronger than dende, Popo could have killed king piccolo .

and it's hinted Whis is so powerful because he watches over Berus, preventing unnecessary destruction ,due to berus nature. Berus is the type of god who destroyed multiple stars because he was cranky and wanted to go back to sleep

except popo wasn't that powerful to do the job on his own. whis, is for the better part of understanding him, is capable of doing so and yet beerus does the job. quite a mystery for this two gods.

no,this is the same scenario as whis. Popo was more than physically qualified for the role of guardian of earth . He was stronger than King piccolo. The strongest human in early DB history as far as we know were roshi and Toa

characterspower levels
Roshi139
popo300--->1,008(post training z fighters)
kami260--->320(post training goku)

Normal human fighters at that time were below plv of 100. Kid goku was at 10 and NAM was at 100.

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#35  Edited By kyrees

@flashback0180 said:

no,this is the same scenario as whis. Popo was more than physically qualified for the role of guardian of earth . He was stronger than King piccolo. The strongest human in early DB history as far as we know were roshi and Toa

characterspower levels
Roshi139
popo300--->1,008(post training z fighters)
kami260--->320(post training goku)

Normal human fighters at that time were below plv of 100. Kid goku was at 10 and NAM was at 100.

you didn't get my point. whis is a lot more flexible than popo is in terms of power sets. kami can grant dragonballs. popo can't

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@kyrees: no, that doesn't explain why popo didn't play god before kami was born, popo is as old as the gods tower.

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no, that doesn't explain why popo didn't play god before kami was born, popo is as old as the gods tower.

and that supports your case on whis when for all intents and purposes, whis is far more suited to play the god of destruction alone ? we don't even know if gods of destructions have replacements like kami sama had.

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@kyrees: according to your theory, yes it does, popo in every possible logic is leagues above the pervious guardians , he knows what's required of the position better than anyone in the series .

He doesn't because he's not ment to. Same goes for the kais, their title is given in birth. All kais are born on a the Kaiju tree, the rare gold fruits are supreme kais.

Kibuto is a kai, a extremely powerful one capable of fighting base gohan on a equal footing . Yet he has no title. Even though he's 100s of times stronger than king kai.

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according to your theory, yes it does, popo in every possible logic is leagues above the pervious guardians , he knows what's required of the position better than anyone in the series .

He doesn't because he's not ment to. Same goes for the kais, their title is given in birth. All kais are born on a the Kaiju tree, the rare gold fruits are supreme kais.

Kibuto is a kai, a extremely powerful one capable of fighting base gohan on a equal footing . Yet he has no title. Even though he's 100s of times stronger than king kai.

popo can't use/create dragonballs. whis can undo damages with his time reversal. quite a difference.

except this isn't a kai, this is a god of destruction whom we do not know they are fully capable of.

what's the point of that ? kibito is an attendant to supreme kai and the supreme kai does the job accordingly.

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#41  Edited By Fallschirmjager

this is why people don't like arguing about dbz.

this whole thread was made because of something that was supposedly said in a movie that's not even out yet.

nevermind the fact that last time everyone wanted to anoint the guy a galaxy buster, people were basing it on a mistranslation.

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And y'all wonder why people call DBZ cancer.

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#43  Edited By Avatar_of_Green

It is exponentially easier to destroy than to create.

Galactus moving a galaxy and keeping it intact is infinitely more impressive than him or anyone else being able to destroy a galaxy.

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@kyrees said:
@flashback0180 said:

according to your theory, yes it does, popo in every possible logic is leagues above the pervious guardians , he knows what's required of the position better than anyone in the series .

He doesn't because he's not ment to. Same goes for the kais, their title is given in birth. All kais are born on a the Kaiju tree, the rare gold fruits are supreme kais.

Kibuto is a kai, a extremely powerful one capable of fighting base gohan on a equal footing . Yet he has no title. Even though he's 100s of times stronger than king kai.

popo can't use/create dragonballs. whis can undo damages with his time reversal. quite a difference.

except this isn't a kai, this is a god of destruction whom we do not know they are fully capable of.

what's the point of that ? kibito is an attendant to supreme kai and the supreme kai does the job accordingly.

You are ignoring my point, Popo can't create the dragon Balls ,and neither could the - n- number of guardians before kami came to Earth. Use your logic here, why didn't Mr. Popo become the god of earth. He was stronger and more knowledgeable than the previous guardians. He has more power and abilities than the previous gods.

Except this is dragonball, the logic is much more valid than a Baseless speculation. And are we supposed to ignore the fact the whis tried to recommend goku as the next god of destruction, obviously it has

Also the point is,kibuto wasn't supreme kais attendant when buu attacked. According to the guide he volunteered to protect him since east supreme kai is the youngest /weakest of all the supreme kai

He wasn't ' assigned to the title by birth. All the lower kais are chosen by a gathering. Meaning even though kibuto kai was more powerful than the lower kais, he wasn't chosen.

And can you summaries what your argument is, we are getting side tracked.

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#45  Edited By Gracetrack
  • Piccolo casually destroys the moon. One energy blast.
  • Vegeta casually destroys Planet Arlia. One energy blast. (anime)
  • Frieza (in lowest power form) casually destroys Planet Vegeta. One energy blast.
  • Perfect Cell (exponentially more powerful than Frieza's full power form) says he can blow away the entire solar system while at full power.
  • Kid Buu (exponentially more powerful than Perfect Cell) is said to be a galaxy destroyer and is shown destroying multiple planets effortlessly, and in relatively quick succession. (anime)
  • Beerus (more powerful than Kid Buu) can reportedly wipe out a solar system in no time flat, according to his teacher and confidant, Whis.

Hmm... going by this, Beerus just might be a galaxy level threat, same as Odin and Galactus.

Thankfully, he doesn't have a feat where he literally destroys a galaxy in a matter of seconds/minutes, so we can shut our brains off. No feat = no argument. It's the unspoken rule of the Vine. And why shouldn't it be when I can feel like a winner in any debate simply by typing "No feats!" or "That's PIS!" without having to think critically about it. That's right... you don't have a feat, so I win. End of story.

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Beerus is underrated.

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@agentofchaos1: he is underrated, like most dbz characters . There are users on this site who still freaking claim goku is a planet buster.

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#49  Edited By AgentofChaos1

@flashback0180: I agreed on that part . Goku is a multiple solar system buster in SSG form

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@fallschirmjager: brb i'm going to go look at all the ultron threads that were made before the movie came out.